TheDeadlyShoe posted:

where do people keep the stuff they are selling?

Beet Wagon posted:

So, I've made an effort to log in every now and then during the convention because to be honest I haven't been inside a lot of the newer, bigger ships, and it's an easy way to check them out. It took me way too long today due to several stupid deaths (I jumped until I gave myself a heart attack apparently) and crashes, but I did finally manage to check out the Origin thing.

I feel so loving bad for everyone who spent money on their superyacht lol. It's a $900 monument to the fact that Chris Roberts doesn't understand luxury. Fully half of the ship is taken up by loving saunas and redundant pools and poo poo, and the other half is covered in random seating that makes it look like an airline loyalty lounge. It's so absolutely mind-bendingly stupid in there.

Also, the work they did updating the 300 series is unreal lol. I legitimately had a moment where I was like "Wow I wish I hadn't gotten rid of mine" because it's such an insane upgrade over the pile of poo poo they used to be. It's maybe the only ship that isn't an active pain in the rear end to be in, move around, and fly. It should be the standard starting ship and it's borderline cruel of them to not go back and redo things like the Mustang (again) Aurora (for the first time?) and Avenger (again) to make them as functional as the 300i. And yes that's including all the nonfunctional bullshit like the $10 minifridge or coffeemaker or whatever.

Sarsapariller posted:

>> I quantum travel to hurston which takes 10 minutes of real time. Got up, made some IRL coffee, came back and modified my equipment taking a lightly armored loadout with silenced rifle for maneuverability.

Now we're entering fantasy territory. Flying from Grim Hex area to Hurston takes 30-40 minutes of real time if you have a small ship. "Lightly armored loadout with silenced rifle" is complete bullshit, Lorville is literally a non-combat zone. You cannot even point your gun, let alone shoot it.

Sarsapariller posted:

>>I stop at the local armory to see if they have any good equipment. Not much, but they do offer a hand held mining tool that I snag.

By "local armory" he means "Gun store." There are 4-5 stores at every station and landing facility. These are the only locations at the stations and landing facilities. Their inventory never changes.

Sarsapariller posted:

>>Take public transit back to the space station, launch my ship and take a mission to find a wreck and recover the black box mcguffin. Head out of atmosphere and travel 800km to the wreck. In approach I scan the area - clean. Park my ship and begin my space walk to find the box. Another player approaches and destroys my ship. I duck into a larger section of wreckage. Player searches for me (they don't know if I died in my ship or not). Then they exit their ship where I Eva around and place a bullet in their head.

This is plausible, though it doesn't really emphasize that the box-finding mission probably took 20-30 minutes to fly that 800km unless he got really lucky with waypoints. It's certainly possible that a griefer blew his ship up and then was stupid enough to get out and fly around. More likely what happened is that another player got the exact same "Find box in space wreck" mission and just shot him assuming he was an enemy, then got out to find the box. This happens all the time because the in-game mission system only has like, half a dozen locations to spawn missions in so poo poo gets doubled up constantly.

Elderbean posted:

Lots of Star Citizen gameplay descriptions are exactly like that. A true believer writes a novel full of purple prose describing incredibly basic gameplay loops like "I picked up a box" and "I browsed a storefront."

The Butcher posted:

Cargo is just represented by text files basically. You specify how much the ship can hold and how much space each item takes up. Pretty simple stuff.

Now, the rape dungeon on the other hand,

Nalin posted:

No, the worst ships do Olisar to ArcCorp in 16 minutes. 10 seems reasonable, especially if it was a larger ship. Still a stupid amount of time, of course. Travel times should be cut in half.

Sarsapariller posted:

You can fit 96 boxes in a Constellation- if you want more, you're going to have to pay your artists to build a longer or wider version of the ship. Oops, hope you balanced everything exactly right! Oh, you didn't and now things are seven shades of hosed up with a bunch of small ships that can't even carry a single SCU? Time for the seventh refactor!

Sarsapariller posted:

You are not factoring in that the player will be stopped 2-3 times per QT jump by pirates, "Security" scans, drive overheating, and random asteroids. It is extremely difficult to make long jumps without getting stopped even once. This also means you have to stay glued to the goddamn computer because otherwise a pirate might kill you before the glitches do.

Nalin posted:

They only happen if you are sitting in your pilot chair.

The Butcher posted:

And you people said the space toilet was giant waste of money.

G0RF posted:

I wonder what Chris has told The Calders about Squadron 42.

A lot of the backers seem to expect we’ll get a Squadron 42 update in a year end holiday livestream. Do we even know that we’re getting a holiday livestream this year?

Nalin posted:

Mostly right, but the standard Hornet can carry 2 SCU and I don't think there is any physical box for that. I would bet that each ship was custom coded to show their boxes. It would make sense based on all the weird things I've seen in the game, like how some ships let you see your actual ship components, some ships have working item storage while some don't, and why ships like the Constellation magically don't have a working missile lock system. I would bet that every time they make some sort of change to mechanics, they have to manually apply that change to each ship. And, if, they forget one ship, well, magically it is the only ship in the game that can't fire missiles anymore.

Beet Wagon posted:

Every ship has something representing physicalized cargo, as far as I am aware. The Mustang and Aurora both have cargo "boxes" rather than a hold and I believe the hornet has one as well. I know it used to have space for cargo under the turret, but a quick google says those 2 SCU are stored in a box somewhere on or in the ship. I don't have a hornet so I can't go looking.

Sarsapariller posted:

I see you are FUDster who hasn't played Star Citizen.

In Star Citizen, every unit of cargo is represented by an actual box in an actual cargo hold. This is real and I'm not making it up. If you buy 100 SCU worth of space poop, you will get 100 boxes physically appearing in your spaceship and adding actual weight to the handling of it. You cannot interact with the boxes except to sell them at other stations. The boxes have one of about 6 different skins based on whatever it is that you purchased.

Unfortunately this means that ships have to have giant gaping empty spaces for cargo, and that their cargo limits are hard capped based on those spaces. You can fit 96 boxes in a Constellation- if you want more, you're going to have to pay your artists to build a longer or wider version of the ship. Oops, hope you balanced everything exactly right! Oh, you didn't and now things are seven shades of hosed up with a bunch of small ships that can't even carry a single SCU? Time for the seventh refactor!

Nalin posted:

Plus, players found out that if your ship isn't a single seater and has an interior, you can just get out of your seat and you won't proc any random encounters ever. They only happen if you are sitting in your pilot chair.

G0RF posted:

I wonder what Chris has told The Calders about Squadron 42.

Agony Aunt posted:

What do you mean boxes appearing in your cargo hold? You mean they simply appear as if by magic?! That doesn't sounds very fidelitious! Whatever happened to having to manually load cargo or wait for the dock workers to load all your cargo? This isn't the game i didn't back!

Scruffpuff posted:

Squadron 42 is possibly the funniest, inherently most ridiculous non-twist to this entire scam. I can't even begin to imagine how bad Chris Roberts is capable of making something with today's technology. He was one of the world's worst before he stole hundreds of millions of dollars; now his hubris is well-nourished and fuels his unparalleled ineptitude. The very few glimpses we've seen so far are so very, very promising. If this farce collapses before SQ42 is shat into the mouths of the unwilling, I must get my hands on the cutscenes.

The post-2020 internet will be nothing but SQ42 memes and man-children building Lego replicas of Star Citizen "ships" that they'll lament for the rest of their lives "almost came out."

trucutru posted:

Rumor is that they setup a wind turbine generator in preparation for Chris' hand waving on that day. Managed to cut the electricity bill in half.

Sankis posted:

I bet the Calders get some percentage of the donations and don't care as long as it keeps rolling in.

Sarsapariller posted:

Let me break it down.

>>This morning I awoke in the bed of my space ship.

This barely ever works and has been consistently broken for the last 3 years. Recently they "improved" it and by "improved" I mean it now works maybe 50% of the time.

>>Last night I had done some bounty hunting in an asterioid field, and decided to park on the dark side of an asterioid rather than the free for all at the low security Outpost nearby (grim hex).

He took a procgen mission in an asteroid field, and then logged out.

>>I wanted to head to another planet (Hurston) that offers on foot fps missions at various bunkers.

This is largely bullshit in that you can be offered these missions, but the missions you get are random and I haven't seen an on-foot mission in the last four or five hours that I've played.

>>Grabbed a delivery mission from a nearby Outpost to take a shipment to Lorville, capital city of hurston.

Also bullshit. He's acting like various places give you specific missions- in reality, you open up your wrist menu and a random list of procgen missions will be presented. He certainly could have had one that said "Carry a box from here to there" but he 100% did not fly somewhere and then get the mission. This is part of what makes the game so frustrating- you can almost never actually get a mission for the place you are standing at, at any given moment.

Also, Lorville is the only city on Hurston.

>> I quantum travel to hurston which takes 10 minutes of real time. Got up, made some IRL coffee, came back and modified my equipment taking a lightly armored loadout with silenced rifle for maneuverability.

Now we're entering fantasy territory. Flying from Grim Hex area to Hurston takes 30-40 minutes of real time if you have a small ship. "Lightly armored loadout with silenced rifle" is complete bullshit, Lorville is literally a non-combat zone. You cannot even point your gun, let alone shoot it.

>>Out of quantum travel I approach Lorville and hail the Tessa Space Station for a landing pad. Ones assigned, I land and use the public transit system to deliver my package to the local administration office.

Hey here's a line that actually describes gameplay in Star Citizen- he landed at a space port, took an elevator to the hub, took a bus to the main area, walked to the office, and dropped off the box. That's it- that is the gameplay of Star Citizen.

>>I stop at the local armory to see if they have any good equipment. Not much, but they do offer a hand held mining tool that I snag.

By "local armory" he means "Gun store." There are 4-5 stores at every station and landing facility. These are the only locations at the stations and landing facilities. Their inventory never changes.

>>Take public transit back to the space station, launch my ship and take a mission to find a wreck and recover the black box mcguffin. Head out of atmosphere and travel 800km to the wreck. In approach I scan the area - clean. Park my ship and begin my space walk to find the box. Another player approaches and destroys my ship. I duck into a larger section of wreckage. Player searches for me (they don't know if I died in my ship or not). Then they exit their ship where I Eva around and place a bullet in their head.

This is plausible, though it doesn't really emphasize that the box-finding mission probably took 20-30 minutes to fly that 800km unless he got really lucky with waypoints. It's certainly possible that a griefer blew his ship up and then was stupid enough to get out and fly around. More likely what happened is that another player got the exact same "Find box in space wreck" mission and just shot him assuming he was an enemy, then got out to find the box. This happens all the time because the in-game mission system only has like, half a dozen locations to spawn missions in so poo poo gets doubled up constantly.

>>Find the black box and load it in other players ship to deliver back in Lorville.

Nope, bullshit. Ships are locked to their players unless specifically unlocked.

>>I place an insurance claim (takes 5 minutes to respawn my ship) at Lorville so it will be ready for next session.


He neglected "I fly down, negotiate a landing, take the elevator up, take the bus, then use the terminal to place the insurance claim for a total round-trip time of 45 minutes."

>>Star citizen is part Arma, part euro trucker, part "waking simulator", with a gorgeous presentation. Nothing else scratches the itch of immersing myself in a sci fi universe. The game isn't perfect and I wouldn't let Chris Roberts set my clock for fear of always being late. But SC occupies a niche that keeps sucking me back in.


Yeah sure okay

no_recall posted:

Thanks for this friend!

I'm away to some fun at the beach for a few days, will announce the winners when I get back.

e: I think they are...
$249,842,042 - The Titanic
$250,000,000 - UnknownTarget
$250,424,242 - Quavers

Probably. Stay tuned.

Skyarb posted:

Are there any good youtube videos out there lampooning the awful gameplay? I just found out you can actually play this pyramid scheme and I want to see how bad it is.

Agony Aunt posted:

Revision comments explains its removal.

4th November, someone tried to add it back onto the list.

Same day, removed with the comment "Per the many past reverts and talk page discussions. Funding raises is not development budget."

Of course, we all know that 100% of funding goes towards the development of SC, and not anything else at all. And since every dollar raised for SC is worth 5 times as much as with a traditional model, it should actually be added as the first billion plus computer game.

Scruffpuff posted:

Looks like one of those guys trying to spread the Chris Roberts virus beyond its normal quarantine zone. The only edits this guy has on Wikipedia are adding Star Citizen to the most expensive list, and making sure Gary Oldman's home page includes Squadron 42.

What an empty loving life these people lead.

Mirificus posted:

shrach posted:

Also, Cloud Imperium themselves are a source that they spent $193m up to the end of 2017. https://cloudimperiumgames.com/blog/corporate/cfo-comment-2012-2017-financials

Using their trends there is no way they spent less than $50m in both 2018 and 2019 which means, they have to have spent $293m+ on development so far. This is the bare minimum spent and an extremely conservative estimate given the continually increasing employee count.

Fund raising, which is different to development budget, but here it is:
The receipts so far are something like $250m via the funding tracker. $17m in subscription fees. $34m in tax incentives/loans against tax incentives. $46m outside investment. So $347m total "raised" so far.

They promise a new blog post this month, to update their "financials" with figures that include 2018. I won't hold my breath.

Nalin posted:

No, the worst ships do Olisar to ArcCorp in 16 minutes. 10 seems reasonable, especially if it was a larger ship. Still a stupid amount of time, of course. Travel times should be cut in half.