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Inacio posted:have cig ever admitted that one of their gameplay design decisions wasn't absolutely perfect and great? They removed all the docking collars saying that they had no idea how to make it work. They've yet to re-appear, meaning that there's at least one more ship refactor coming, or a quiet pushing it behind something in the constant firehose of crap. stingtwo posted:I've wondered what the gently caress the pitch Chris made to make the Calders invest in the 1st place, Investing in any company requires a not Sandi stupid sales projections and profits of your next few years. "Here's our funding tracker. We can extrapolate future sales based on a solid assumption that we've currently hit around 15% of our entire installed base during this time when our marketing has largely been word of mouth. Here you can see the growth of another game that involves shooting, 'Fortnite'. Here is a slide of a kitten sitting in a pile of money." Scruffpuff posted:My understanding is that the "10%" is a meaningless, and ultimately misleading figure. It valued the property at half a billion dollars. See other game properties to know why this was a hell of a long shot. Edit:  Hav fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Dec 2, 2019 |
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It's odd how little the Calder investment phased Citizens. Like Chris whole thing is touting how he doesn't take orders from any publisher and so the game can be built how he wants in his own due time. But then he gives away %10 stake in a company he was entirely gifted for free, like Citizens should be upset he sold THEIR backing funds to an outside investor who now has a stake and whether they want to admit it or not some say in what CIG does.
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TheAgent posted:even if the calders wanted 10% of CIGs yearly gross, it would take them roughly 11 years to make back their investment How do you think the Cryengine lawsuit will go.
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echothreealpha posted:How do you think the Cryengine lawsuit will go. Settlement in the new year; they're still sweating discovery, but they'll be more inclined to settle the closer it gets to July.
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Popete posted:It's odd how little the Calder investment phased Citizens. Like Chris whole thing is touting how he doesn't take orders from any publisher and so the game can be built how he wants in his own due time. But then he gives away %10 stake in a company he was entirely gifted for free, like Citizens should be upset he sold THEIR backing funds to an outside investor who now has a stake and whether they want to admit it or not some say in what CIG does. it looks to me that the $47m was more for like half of the company and it wouldn't surprise me if there's a "oops we didn't make you a shitload of money on time, here's the entire company" clause in there
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echothreealpha posted:How do you think the Cryengine lawsuit will go.
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They should just give up and make Star Citizen into a Space Truck Simulator.TheAgent posted:fun? lol
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Remember when Chris claimed the Calder money was just for advertising SQ42 and then at their own tightly controlled convention they failed to even mention SQ42 at all? A video game entering beta next year, lol.
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Cryyp3r's giving off serious DOW 36000 vibes to me. "What if...the market just never crashes?"
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Popete posted:Remember when Chris claimed the Calder money was just for advertising SQ42 and then at their own tightly controlled convention they failed to even mention SQ42 at all? A video game entering beta next year, lol. It's going to be an interesting month with the BBC Click episode on Star Citizen, as well as the possibly upcoming holiday livestream. About the BBC Click series though, one of the people on the show is Kate Russell, who apparently had a feud with Derek Smart, and which I'm steering away from even thinking about because, it's a Derek Smart feud.
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Quavers posted:Worst one yet? YOU decide With moments like this, I’d say BEST ONE YET.
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G0RF posted:With moments like this, I’d say BEST ONE YET. early days, the new basic FPS movement workflows will fix this.
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echothreealpha posted:Dude who made Fyre Fest got some pretty rich investors on board. That guy is also sitting in prison for financial fraud. I'm not saying that CIG did or didn't lie to the investors. I'm saying that there are consequences to playing it fast and loose with the truth when it comes to investors. Backers you can lie to all day and nothing will likely happen. Maybe a slap on the wrist and a small fine. Lying to big money is what can get you locked up and I don't know if CIG is at that level of desperation yet. Although, I would bet that Chris is at that level of delusion, that he thinks that Squadron 42 will sell millions of copies if the loving cock goblins coding his magnum opus could get off their lazy asses and program the game the way he is envisioning it in his stuck-in-the-90's programmer brain.
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stingtwo posted:I've wondered what the gently caress the pitch Chris made to make the Calders invest in the 1st place, Investing in any company requires a not Sandi stupid sales projections and profits of your next few years. Softbank has invested something like 8 billion dollars in wework, which values wework at 25 billion for softbank to break even. And since there is now no way in hell wework will ever get that sort of valuation now we can assume that mayyyybe, just mayyyyybe, investors can be as dumb as star citizen backers.
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Has there been game devs that has spoken positively about Star Citizen in the past 3, or 4 years
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CCN: Star Citizen Has Crowd-Funded a Cool $250 Million, but Will It Be Any Good?
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Sarsapariller posted:* Public flights to any major hub you've been to before. Doesn't even have to be animated- just make it a terminal interaction that ports your character to the new spaceport. I think being able to choose which port to respawn on would probably work better. Sarsapariller posted:* More localized missions. poo poo should not be sending you more than 10 minutes out of your way unless it's deliberately taking you to a new hub. Definitely. Combat missions are currently local like that, and are the best thing to actually do in the game, but half of them are unplayable and the other half either don't spawn with regularity or just don't work either. There is a reason I never really ever left Delamar when I was playing. It's just the best place to be. Sarsapariller posted:* Warp-to-friend, same deal as the other teleports but maybe on a timer. Maybe just let people hop into their friend's turret without losing their original position in the world when they leave. Apparently they want to let you jump into your friend's NPCs. I don't expect it to happen any time soon. Sarsapariller posted:* Put a bunch of interesting poo poo in deep space that can only be discovered through flying and scanning. Secret cargo caches, pirate bases, whatever. Just give people doing the flying a reason to look around. Definitely, but the way they designed QT makes that just impossible. They should have done a supercruise like system that Elite uses. Hav posted:They removed all the docking collars saying that they had no idea how to make it work. They've yet to re-appear, meaning that there's at least one more ship refactor coming, or a quiet pushing it behind something in the constant firehose of crap. 4.0 has ship to station docking. I'm going to guess 4.3 because ship to station will be delayed once to 4.1 and ship to ship will be 4.2 but then delayed to 4.3. The Constellation snub fighter cannot be used until ship to ship docking works and CIG's goal is to make its iconic ship broken and worthless for as long as possible.
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quote:Apparently they want to let you jump into your friend's NPCs. I don't expect it to happen any time soon. What's great about promising the world is that your promises stay out there in the common understanding, even if you retreat from them when pressed.
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:This is one of those things they later walked back. What? I thought this was something that was actually brought up recently. Oh well, there is no way I'm going to review things they said the past month just to make sure.
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The entire CIG team is going to walk out to get a pack of cigarette one of these days.
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echothreealpha posted:The entire CIG team is going to walk out to get a pack of cigarette one of these days. I'm closer to believing that they're going to show up to padlocked offices after a month of bounced paychecks.
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Somebody should point out to good' ol' Vertixcizes that one of the selling points was no publisher nor INVESTORS, and here we are.
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Never forget this shitstorm humble beginnings: It's not everyday that you get 500 times the money you asked for and are yet unable to deliver five years after your original deadline.
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trucutru posted:Never forget this shitstorm humble beginnings: But the scope expanded to fill the additional funding! As Chris Roberts, not at all a fraud and a thief, said: "That's the whole drat point!"
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Shots fired. Fuckin Scruffpuff posted:loving Sniped 
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skeletors_condom posted:Here is an ascending list of our estimates for total fundraising as of December 1. Looks like UnknownTarget had the closest estimate if we assume that the time period ends at midnight Saturday in PST. Sweet, did I win an Idris? Edit: what's the plural of Idris? Idrisi? Idresses? Idrissis?
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UnknownTarget posted:Sweet, did I win an Idris? Plural zeroes is still zero.
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Nalin posted:4.0 has ship to station docking. I'm going to guess 4.3 because ship to station will be delayed once to 4.1 and ship to ship will be 4.2 but then delayed to 4.3. Pretty much, although I would point out that they removed the docking collars a while back in the second ship refactor, and if they want to go back to that gameplay, they'll need both mechanics and a solid path forward. The reason they dropped them was almost purely mechanical because they literally couldn't get ships arranged to couple. So they actually need a tier 0 'concept' before they can slap it on the scrum board. The reason I pick it out isn't because of it's absence, but more for the fact they've had to remove it because they really hadn't thought out how all off this technical debt in the form of money-generating jpegs. They've actually spent money on recessing a feature, which could have been avoided with an upfront design document during those heady early few years when they were unencumbered by employees. At the moment, they find themselves art asset heavy, but lacking some of the meat of the actual game, like needing to redefine the speed of light so their networking layer could work.
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UnknownTarget posted:Sweet, did I win an Idris? Idriae. A flock of Idriae is called an Elba
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trucutru posted:It's not everyday that you get 500 times the money you asked for and are yet unable to deliver five years after your original deadline. In the world of Kickstarting that's actually getting very common, especially for games. Scope increases to impossible levels because of stretch goals, costs are underestimated (manufacturing and shipping costs for board/card games in particular), etc.
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trucutru posted:Idriae. Coincidentally, a flock of Idriae also cost an arse and an Elba. 
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UnknownTarget posted:Sweet, did I win an Idris? What type of avatar do you want?
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Hav posted:They removed all the docking collars saying that they had no idea how to make it work. Look, if you want unfidelitous unrealistic things like docking collars, just go play KSP or something. 
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