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deano
Sep 6, 2000

OwlFancier posted:

https://twitter.com/C4meronM4tthews/status/1201838858301825026

Not sure the tories are doing very well on the NHS tbh.

I though the idea the US will jack up drugs prices would have been even simpler to grasp than we live on an island but no seems not.

<edit>
Forty is a composite number, an octagonal number, and as the sum of the first four pentagonal numbers, it is a pentagonal pyramidal number. Adding up some subsets of its divisors (e.g., 1, 4, 5, 10 and 20) gives 40, hence 40 is a semiperfect number.

deano fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Dec 3, 2019

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OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I'm gonna have some real problems if I ever meet a dominic in real life because I think I've got a pavlovian repulsion from the name at this point.

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

Braggart posted:

All the Dominics are a gift to us, honestly :D

gently caress Dominic Matteo

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
https://twitter.com/KurdsCampaign/status/1201903054712430592?s=19

If I were pretending to give a poo poo about antisemitism I'd simply not get photographed with neonazis.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

One thing I'm wondering about is how GOTV is gonna affect the final outcome.

Cos it's all well saying the tories have more voters but a lot of people don't vote on the day. And if Labour's benefiting from a boost of volunteers, well coordinated, plus a big focus on being available on election day, doesn't that suggest we might have a nice bump due to being able to get our voters out better than the tories? They can't buy people into the polling booth, after all, and their ground game is shite.

I was also wanting to ask, if you sign up to do lifts on polling day, the party insures you, but does this cost them? I'd like to sign up but I genuinely won't know if I'll be available on the day and I don't want to cost them money.

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

Gonzo McFee posted:

https://twitter.com/KurdsCampaign/status/1201903054712430592?s=19

If I were pretending to give a poo poo about antisemitism I'd simply not get photographed with neonazis.

C'mon man, that's an unreasonable amount of effort

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021
If they really care about antisemitism then why does the string and post it notes on these photographs on my cork board all happen to look like a swastika?

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

https://twitter.com/UniteunionNI/status/1201592131233730560?s=19

Means we have the Royal College of Nursing (who've started industrial action), Unite, Unison (who where on strike today) and NIPSA (Northern Ireland's largest trade union going on all out strike on the 18th) all teaming up for rolling industrial action all through December over NHS pay.

peanut-
Feb 17, 2004
Fun Shoe

OwlFancier posted:

I was also wanting to ask, if you sign up to do lifts on polling day, the party insures you, but does this cost them? I'd like to sign up but I genuinely won't know if I'll be available on the day and I don't want to cost them money.

It'll be a blanket policy they've taken out in advance so it won't cost them.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Ah ok I'll get in touch with them then. Also clean my car lol.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Communist Thoughts posted:

yeah the only question is whether he tries to become leader of the libdems before this or he just goes and does this anyway

The leader of the Lib Dems has to be an MP.

Braggart posted:

Prince Andrew is a bad man for what he did with 17 year old girls with Jeffrey Epstein.

- the newspaper that used to put topless 16 year old girls on Page Three.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Jedit posted:

The leader of the Lib Dems has to be an MP.

Which at this rate might mean the de-facto dissolution of the party.

Or possibly it's conversion into an anarchist party.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Jedit posted:

- the newspaper that used to put topless 16 year old girls on Page Three.
They had their parents' permission.

Not sure if that made it better or worse.

I wonder what happened with the original plates. The mass publications failed the art test, but that's always been more stringent on mass publication than original images (see Lewis Carroll's nonce plates (do not literally do this)).

OwlFancier posted:

Or possibly it's conversion into an anarchist party.
The poo poo kind, like the even weirder wing of the Libertarian Party.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Guavanaut posted:

The poo poo kind, like the even weirder wing of the Libertarian Party.
I recently learned that Victoria 2, the mapgame, has "anarcho liberals" in it.

I have no idea what that would be in a game set during the 1800's (overthrow the government because my boss has a right to throw my children into the mill without a royal charter?) but I choose to imagine they're militant lib dems.

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

OwlFancier posted:

Which at this rate might mean the de-facto dissolution of the party.

Or possibly it's conversion into an anarchist party.

Extinction Rebellion Liberal Democrats.

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid

Guavanaut posted:

nonce plates

pitch a fitness
Mar 19, 2010

Day 7 of striking: plans are being drawn up for ASOS & an expected return to the picket lines in the next semester. Got a free rice crispy cake today :cool:

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Eerie how he has exactly the same grin.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
https://twitter.com/MarkDiStef/status/1201927547208028160

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

OwlFancier posted:

Eerie how he has exactly the same grin.
The pedo-smile.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Darth Walrus posted:

Anyone screenshot this?



The version of the tweet deleted included some crap about Diane Abbott saying labour would land a man on the sun.

There is a new version of the tweet without that:

https://twitter.com/JohnnyMercerUK/status/1201823704289857536?s=20

Lord of the Llamas
Jul 9, 2002

EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH
If I want to register a domain name just for email which I can preferably manage through gmail what's the best option goons?

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Lord of the Llamas posted:

If I want to register a domain name just for email which I can preferably manage through gmail what's the best option goons?

I've got one through 123-reg.co.uk

Dirty Deeds Done
Apr 8, 2009

OI OI OI OI OI OI
Hey UKMT, I keep getting people telling me that the costing in the Labour manifesto doesn't make sense when I bring up that I'm voting labour or that I like Jezza etc. Is there a good place I can point them to or like easily digestible talking point I can bring up that in response to that?

quidditch it and quit it
Oct 11, 2012


Dirty Deeds Done posted:

Hey UKMT, I keep getting people telling me that the costing in the Labour manifesto doesn't make sense when I bring up that I'm voting labour or that I like Jezza etc. Is there a good place I can point them to or like easily digestible talking point I can bring up that in response to that?

Just tell them that over “160 economists and academics” reckon it makes perfect sense, here is a link: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...obox=1574775835

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Lord of the Llamas posted:

If I want to register a domain name just for email which I can preferably manage through gmail what's the best option goons?
I'm not sure asking goons for domain name suggestions is a good idea.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

I'm hearing that the Conservative candidate for Barking, Tamkeen Shaikh, cybersquatted Margaret Hodge with a site saying "Don't vote Labour".

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Lord of the Llamas posted:

If I want to register a domain name just for email which I can preferably manage through gmail what's the best option goons?

Godaddy work for me.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

Dirty Deeds Done posted:

Hey UKMT, I keep getting people telling me that the costing in the Labour manifesto doesn't make sense when I bring up that I'm voting labour or that I like Jezza etc. Is there a good place I can point them to or like easily digestible talking point I can bring up that in response to that?

Get them into specifics. You'll often find that they don't really know what doesn't make sense and are just repeating what someone who is supposed to explain things to them are saying in bad faith (See the months of people saying that having a second referendum after Labour debate a new deal is too complicated for their feeble six figure brains) From there you can explain things, point out that say Free broadband has been costed and would actually improve the economy because of all the money freed up from paying for broadband and giving money to people who can now access the internet at high speeds.

Genuinely a lot of people have just accepted that better things aren't possible and all you have to do is prove that not only are better things possible but they're better for everything not just you right now.

Honestly just mention that nobody will have to pay the £18 for a landline that nobody uses and you're halfway there.

KOGAHAZAN!!
Apr 29, 2013

a miserable failure as a person

an incredible success as a magical murder spider

OwlFancier posted:

I recently learned that Victoria 2, the mapgame, has "anarcho liberals" in it.

I have no idea what that would be in a game set during the 1800's (overthrow the government because my boss has a right to throw my children into the mill without a royal charter?) but I choose to imagine they're militant lib dems.

So basically the way politics works in Vicky is there are ideologies, and each class of population has (theoretically) interests and an ideology they naturally incline to. Capitalists are Liberal, obviously, craftsmen (factory workers) are Socialist, farmers (I think) are Conservative, etc. But there's other inputs to the system: each POP has a consciousness score and a militancy score, basically how politically aware they are and how pissed off they are. With low consciousness, a POP might vote against its interest, I think usually for whatever the local Conservative party. Militancy is more interesting, in that it makes the POP more radical.

So, there are four base ideologies in the game: Liberal (voting rights for all, laissez-faire capitalism), Conservative (resist change), Socialist (controlled economy but also no democracy??) and Fascist (WAAAAAR). The first three of these also have radicalised variant ideologies that a POP will switch to when it's mad. Conservatives go Reactionary, Socialists go Communist, and Liberals... go Anarcho-Liberal.

Because the devs needed a "radicalised" version of liberalism and had never heard of the Jacobins or the, heh, Radicals, I guess. That's the root of the whole problem: an overly-schematised game design awkwardly attempting to fit the entire political spectrum of the 19th century.

The lack of any sort of non-authoritarian socialism is born of a similar kludge: the game has two sets of "reforms" you can pass, like laws that determine how your country works: political reforms (voting rights) and social reforms (workers rights). Liberals are for political reforms and will compromise on social reforms if things are going badly. Socialists are for social reforms and will compromise on political reforms. Conservatives will resist both. They had a slot to fill and they squashed socialism into it.

It dumb.

jacksbrat
Oct 15, 2012

pitch a fitness posted:

Day 7 of striking: plans are being drawn up for ASOS & an expected return to the picket lines in the next semester. Got a free rice crispy cake today :cool:

Home baked cookies and hot coffee every day thanks to lovely students. Picket numbers have been swelling. Feeling better about the national story but sad about my department's attitude. Getting out of there is a good reason not to be sad about a fixed term contract!

RabidWeasel
Aug 4, 2007

Cultures thrive on their myths and legends...and snuggles!

Dirty Deeds Done posted:

Hey UKMT, I keep getting people telling me that the costing in the Labour manifesto doesn't make sense when I bring up that I'm voting labour or that I like Jezza etc. Is there a good place I can point them to or like easily digestible talking point I can bring up that in response to that?

Depends how in depth their argumentation goes because when it comes down to it economics is not actually a science and the best you can do is estimate how much things will cost and how much income new taxes will raised based on historical evidence and some kind of economic model you've constructed.

One of my preferred angles is to tell people that Labour's plans put public spending as a proportion of GDP on about the same level as Germany and that there's no reason why we can't do the same thing that they do.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

KOGAHAZAN!! posted:

So basically the way politics works in Vicky is there are ideologies, and each class of population has (theoretically) interests and an ideology they naturally incline to. Capitalists are Liberal, obviously, craftsmen (factory workers) are Socialist, farmers (I think) are Conservative, etc. But there's other inputs to the system: each POP has a consciousness score and a militancy score, basically how politically aware they are and how pissed off they are. With low consciousness, a POP might vote against its interest, I think usually for whatever the local Conservative party. Militancy is more interesting, in that it makes the POP more radical.

So, there are four base ideologies in the game: Liberal (voting rights for all, laissez-faire capitalism), Conservative (resist change), Socialist (controlled economy but also no democracy??) and Fascist (WAAAAAR). The first three of these also have radicalised variant ideologies that a POP will switch to when it's mad. Conservatives go Reactionary, Socialists go Communist, and Liberals... go Anarcho-Liberal.

Because the devs needed a "radicalised" version of liberalism and had never heard of the Jacobins or the, heh, Radicals, I guess. That's the root of the whole problem: an overly-schematised game design awkwardly attempting to fit the entire political spectrum of the 19th century.

The lack of any sort of non-authoritarian socialism is born of a similar kludge: the game has two sets of "reforms" you can pass, like laws that determine how your country works: political reforms (voting rights) and social reforms (workers rights). Liberals are for political reforms and will compromise on social reforms if things are going badly. Socialists are for social reforms and will compromise on political reforms. Conservatives will resist both. They had a slot to fill and they squashed socialism into it.

It dumb.

My only real exposure to paradox firsthand is stellaris but that sounds about as dumb as I'd expect lol.

I heard about it from this vid, and she also does a loving transcendent video about dwarf fortress as a comprehensive deconstruction of capitalism from an ancom perspective.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX-0pn_Xyyk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yup3hkmBj2Y

Braggart
Nov 10, 2011

always thank the rock hider

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Godaddy work for me.

Work it daddy :pervert:

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

Lord of the Llamas posted:

If I want to register a domain name just for email which I can preferably manage through gmail what's the best option goons?

I like hover.

NinpoEspiritoSanto
Oct 22, 2013




Lord of the Llamas posted:

If I want to register a domain name just for email which I can preferably manage through gmail what's the best option goons?

I'm a fan of 101domain.com myself as their DNS control panel doesn't suck utter poo poo.

When you say "manage through gmail" though what do you mean? If you want mail for that domain routed straight to google/gmail then you'll need a GSuite account unless you're lucky enough to have one of the older Free for Life GApps accounts.

Otherwise the registrar will need to provide pop/imap access which I believe you can add as a third party download option in normal gmail.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


KOGAHAZAN!! posted:

So basically the way politics works in Vicky is there are ideologies, and each class of population has (theoretically) interests and an ideology they naturally incline to. Capitalists are Liberal, obviously, craftsmen (factory workers) are Socialist, farmers (I think) are Conservative, etc. But there's other inputs to the system: each POP has a consciousness score and a militancy score, basically how politically aware they are and how pissed off they are. With low consciousness, a POP might vote against its interest, I think usually for whatever the local Conservative party. Militancy is more interesting, in that it makes the POP more radical.

So, there are four base ideologies in the game: Liberal (voting rights for all, laissez-faire capitalism), Conservative (resist change), Socialist (controlled economy but also no democracy??) and Fascist (WAAAAAR). The first three of these also have radicalised variant ideologies that a POP will switch to when it's mad. Conservatives go Reactionary, Socialists go Communist, and Liberals... go Anarcho-Liberal.

Because the devs needed a "radicalised" version of liberalism and had never heard of the Jacobins or the, heh, Radicals, I guess. That's the root of the whole problem: an overly-schematised game design awkwardly attempting to fit the entire political spectrum of the 19th century.

The lack of any sort of non-authoritarian socialism is born of a similar kludge: the game has two sets of "reforms" you can pass, like laws that determine how your country works: political reforms (voting rights) and social reforms (workers rights). Liberals are for political reforms and will compromise on social reforms if things are going badly. Socialists are for social reforms and will compromise on political reforms. Conservatives will resist both. They had a slot to fill and they squashed socialism into it.

It dumb.

All that said, they should really make Vicky 3

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

KOGAHAZAN!! posted:

That's the root of the whole problem: an overly-schematised game design awkwardly attempting to fit the entire political spectrum of the 19th century.
I think it's less that it's schematised, and more the schema was seemingly designed before anything else. Like, dividing ideologies by their level of contentment with the status quo is a perfectly fine idea, you just need to make it so radicalization can cause ideological divergence rather than force everything to go down a single axis.

OwlFancier posted:

My only real exposure to paradox firsthand is stellaris but that sounds about as dumb as I'd expect lol.
In its defense, the game still teaches you that the free market and liberals suck rear end. Like, you legit get a feeling of "aah poo poo" when you see those yellow bastards won an election, and now all your carefully managed poo poo is gonna break due to idiotic get rich schemes.

forkboy84 posted:

All that said, they should really make Vicky 3
Absolutely. Even if the politics of it are suspect, it does allow you to build a pan-Afro-Arabian socialist state, which is more than you can say for most games.

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KOGAHAZAN!!
Apr 29, 2013

a miserable failure as a person

an incredible success as a magical murder spider

A Buttery Pastry posted:

I think it's less that it's schematised, and more the schema was seemingly designed before anything else. Like, dividing ideologies by their level of contentment with the status quo is a perfectly fine idea, you just need to make it so radicalization can cause ideological divergence rather than force everything to go down a single axis.

Yeah, I've no problem with the consciousness/militancy system in principle.

It's a real shame that V2 never got on the infinite tuning patch/expansion treadmill that came in with CK2, because they are going to rip the heart straight out of that game if they get a chance to do a whole-boat redesign.

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