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CGI Stardust
Nov 7, 2010


Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

I'll be back

Isomermaid posted:

Hello UKMT, old time regular delurking because now seems as good a time as any. I left SA for a few years because it was making me sad, but I got sucked back into it when the Donkey Kong stream happened and I couldn't believe SA was... good? Again? Then I came in here and saw the change in mood was cos you threadbanned Pissflaps. Oh yeah, I transitioned somewhere in there too, that's relevant, I guess.

I know the thread doesn't do hellos but really it's a thankyou for keeping me loving sane this year, and yeah, here for the red flag waving. Hope tastes nice.
welcome back, lurker / old poster! your critter is: the field vole; please enjoy the thread responsibly by posting many times




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Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

PowerBeard posted:

We might have you beat for weird Pre-Christmas Elections. Right now in (Southern) Ireland, we are having a Vote of No Confidence for the Housing Minister. If he is voted out, it would lead to a unsupported Government and a General Election...

Which would have to be before Christmas.

A Goon can dream!

Jeremy Corbyn, dual prime ministers of the UK and RoI, uniting Ireland at last by making the UK part of the Republic.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

A Buttery Pastry posted:

I'm not sure asking goons for domain name suggestions is a good idea.

weedlord-boner.hitler

PowerBeard
Sep 4, 2011

Tesseraction posted:

Jeremy Corbyn, dual prime ministers of the UK and RoI, uniting Ireland at last by making the UK part of the Republic.

I thought you wanted things to get better for the UK, not worse?

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



OwlFancier posted:

Apropos of nothing but my slow trek through daniel kahn's back catalogue of old yiddish songs brilliantly translated to english, I have discovered a song that puts We Have Fed You All For A Thousand Years to shame in terms of being dark as hell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkEgX_IIsLk

Think it's now at #1 on my list of old left songs that are right loving on.

'Oy Division' is absolutely incredible. What a pun. That alone should cause any antisemite to go "Oh wait poo poo no Jews are great actually", even Jeremy Corbyn! This song bangs, too.

HoI4 has trouble simulating the True Nazi Experience because it casts you as a kind of gestalt overmind of the country you play as (same as most others in the strategy genre) which inherently makes it difficult to handle things like, well, how the nazis actually acted. The authentic experience would see you trying to fight when five different companies are providing your fighters*, all badly flawed in some way, and all without interchangable parts and ammo. 60% of your Me-109s are lost to crashes because the thing requires extremely skilled pilots but the boys they send you have 20 hours in their log books. Meanwhile the supplies have ended up three hundred miles away, for reasons you may be able to fix, or not, or may not even be able to find out - but a significant proportion is going to move people to the camps, and anything made by slave labour is of low quality to begin with, even when it's not deliberately sabotaged. You troops straight up don't have clothing suitable for any time after September. The SS is running around doing whatever bullshit and could have you executed at any time for any reason or none. You get moved to the West and the Western Allies are obviously coming for Normandy but you're in Calais and the Fuhrer won't allow you to relocate.

The nazis were one of the most dysfunctional societies ever, and could have been no other way. The only remarkable thing was that they managed to roll a few nat 20s in the late thirties that gave them momentum.

*Only three make planes, one makes cars, and one decided to branch out from making novelty ceramics.

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021
Gerry Adams landslide

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

Pictured: Poster prepares to celebrate Holy Communion (probablY)

This avatar made possible by a gift from the Religionthread Posters Relief Fund
I think the Queen probably gets along with people who 1) Don't treat her as a deified image of Her Maj and 2) Probably would be on the same side during the war. Which none of the other spivs and poo poo heads would be over the past 40 years would be.

Alongside that I've been out meeting up with a friend, they are going through a similarly tough time and have been talking about Socialism in a positive way, so that is good.

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021
Wait I think Adams may have left at some point

Random Integer
Oct 7, 2010

I think the Queen is probably as poo poo as the rest of her family.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Ms Adequate posted:

'Oy Division' is absolutely incredible. What a pun. That alone should cause any antisemite to go "Oh wait poo poo no Jews are great actually", even Jeremy Corbyn! This song bangs, too.

It is and it does, also lyrically would probably make a pretty excellent death metal song.

Honestly it's great discovering this basically parallel set of excellent historical leftist music which is easily on par with if not better than the stuff in the IWW songbook.

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Dec 3, 2019

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
i paper bought out by Daily Mail's owners.

https://twitter.com/rhiannonlucyc/status/1201865593147650049?s=20


https://twitter.com/rhiannonlucyc/status/1201866217910390785?s=20

Bardeh
Dec 2, 2004

Fun Shoe
The replies to that Swinson tweet are eye opening. Even the meltiest fubpees have now seen entirely through her. She'll resign or be forced out as soon as the election is over.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.
Big fan of the election night bingo card by the way from several pages ago https://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/743265

Does it not randomise though? We can't all have the same bingo card...

SixFigureSandwich
Oct 30, 2004
Exciting Lemon

Rust Martialis posted:

Presumably after she actually pops her clogs.

When she actually dies everyone will think it's just another one of Gibbo's lies :ohdear:

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021
The queen is dead. The government are keeping it a secret until the election is over and a suitable wait for things to have calmed down. Gibbo has been dragged away by the secret queen ninjas. We will never see or hear from Gibbo again.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
e:^^^^^^^ :hmmyes:


Odds that she's already dead and they're just keeping t under wraps til after the election? maybe she knew too much about Epstein?

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I mean she did do the state visit with trump today, so maybe her body double is dead.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

OwlFancier posted:

I mean she did do the state visit with trump today, so maybe her body double is dead.

that was Melania she's just ageing terribly

Trickjaw
Jun 23, 2005
Nadie puede dar lo que no tiene



Back from the hustings, it was a hoot. I'll do an effort post tomorrow. Vicky Ford lost her poo poo a few times, but she'd been on the pop again.

RockyB
Mar 8, 2007


Dog Therapy: Shockingly Good

Bardeh posted:

The replies to that Swinson tweet are eye opening. Even the meltiest fubpees have now seen entirely through her. She'll resign or be forced out as soon as the election is over.

The Max Gapes extended universe is going hard on selling "senior sources say she' ll resign" and a Chuka leadership bid right now. Seems to be getting traction, I will laugh my arse off this is the second thing after Squirrels that Swinson has to deny in mainstream media.

In other news David Graeber, author of the article "Stop talking about Jews it's dangerous" has a new video out called "Stop loving talking about Jews dick heads you're going to get us all killed by fascists"

https://twitter.com/davidgraeber/status/1201950245804027904

Watch the media ignore it like every other pro-Corbyn Jewish thing.

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.
The "Queen" at that NATO dinner thing is just several corgis co-ordinating in a Queen skin-suit.

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~
I thought that was a very interesting video that did a great job of dissecting the myth of the British Blitz spirit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wQ-5ePhe3A

ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends
https://twitter.com/BeardedGenius/status/1201997124642189319

fluppet
Feb 10, 2009
Should the postal votes not have been sent out already or do i need to go and shout at tue Council

Isomermaid
Dec 3, 2019

Swish swish, like a fish
The blitz spirit is mostly invoked by people that didn't live through it, or if they did were well enough off so as not to be materially affected as far as I can tell.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

fluppet posted:

Should the postal votes not have been sent out already or do i need to go and shout at tue Council

A lot of people have already got and cast them but I don't know if they're staggered. I haven't had my poll card yet either and I'm a bit concerned.

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

Gonzo McFee posted:

https://twitter.com/KurdsCampaign/status/1201903054712430592?s=19

If I were pretending to give a poo poo about antisemitism I'd simply not get photographed with neonazis.

one thing i've always found deeply bizarre about chapo trap house is why they're so cavalier about nicknaming their fans "grey wolves" when they would definitely poo poo the bed if say podcast is praxis started calling their listeners the klan.

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

Pull me out

Bobby Deluxe posted:

Ok, so these are the two relevant pages of the manifesto:



And while you're technically correct - there is no direct mention of removal of targets - I can't see how targets could happen under this system. AFAIK they were a product of ATOS so that the Conservatives could dissassociate themselves from it, and also since they were targets put in place by a private contractor, no vote in parliament was required.

By bringing the assessments back in-house under a government who are stating their aim as a system which "treats people with dignity and respect" and will "end poverty by guaranteeing a minimum standard of living," It's not possible to reconcile that (especially the second statement) with a system which leaves people with nothing.

I believe that "giving effect to the UN convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities and amending the Equalities Act" will not only achieve this, but enshrine it in law to prevent future Tory fuckery against the disabled.

The final paragraph mentions helping disabled people wanting to work, but I really don't see how it's possible to read the rest of the manifesto and worry that the assessments are going to be anything like what we have now.

E: Also now that I think about it, they're also pretty clear about ending UC's conflation of unemployment and disability, which is what led to this bullshit about targets in the first place.

Yeah it's reading between the lines, but there are so many positive statements it's hard not to join them up and see a new paradigm which makes the targets impossible.

I've been through pre-DWP joblessness and the second I mentioned dyspraxia (the misdiagnosis I had at the time) the staff were 100% on board. If I said I couldn't do it, I didn't have to apply for a job. The pre DWP disability assessment was a case of turning up with my edPsych report and talking to an assessor who took my statements at face value. I still have the report they did somewhere.

My understanding from talking to two friends who are registered blind was a similar case of getting an NHS diagnosis, taking that in, and then the assessor pretty much said "what do you need."

I'd be interested to hear more opinions from other posters of what pre-tory (and especially pre-Blair) assessments were like, but my understanding is that they were a case of proving you were disabled and then they'd pretty much leave you alone unless you wanted help finding work.

It's all good stuff and I am excited for DSS times.

Thanks for the big effort reply, and for calming my nerves a little. Honestly, I expected the launch of the disability manifesto to be more bold and radical than this, which at first glance reads like "we'll change the names, keep the assessments, and it will just magically be better because it's Labour doing it".

I still don't understand the point of assessments at all if they're just going to look at medical evidence and agree with it, and so I'm suspicious that the Blairite wing won't use that as an opening to keep some element of testing as part of the process. We are, after all, still talking about electing a party with a significant right-wing element, and if we're going to rely on charitable interpretation of the manifesto then we might be setting ourselves up for disappointment.

This also makes me nervous:

Breaking Down Barriers posted:

a personalised, holistic assessment framework that provides each individual with a tailored plan, building on their strengths and addressing barriers

because they're not being clear about who will determine the end goal of this plan.

I expected to be excited and motivated by the release of this document, because the manifesto was worryingly light on details. Instead this has really knocked the wind out of me, and I'm worrying about how this survives contact with a bunch of PLP shits who thought a pharma lobbyist was good party leader material.

e: this is the document I'm quoting btw https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Breaking-Down-Barriers.pdf

Tarnop fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Dec 4, 2019

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

PowerBeard posted:

We might have you beat for weird Pre-Christmas Elections. Right now in (Southern) Ireland, we are having a Vote of No Confidence for the Housing Minister. If he is voted out, it would lead to a unsupported Government and a General Election...

Which would have to be before Christmas.

A Goon can dream!

[EDIT]: 56 to 53 in Favour, looks like the current government dodged a bullet.

Even if Murphy got non-con FG would probably have huffed and puffed and just put down a confidence motion in the government and got FF to back them on that because Martin has been pretty clear he didnt care about this vote and he doesn't really want an election until after Easter (and any enthusiasm FG had for an early election evaporated with the byelections).

In summation Ireland will have an election sometime next year when FF and FG politely agree that maybe they should have a vote now sure it's the done thing

Apraxin
Feb 22, 2006

General-Admiral
Someone posted about the Tory councilor fleeing the Lewes hustings earlier, but the full details are amazing:
https://twitter.com/murphy_simon/status/1201955433302372354

quote:

However, when she left via the fire escape she found herself outside in a dead end as the school gates were locked. Rather than trudging back through the packed hall to get out, she pondered her predicament for up to 45 minutes before opting to climb over the fence.

Bikson’s great escape would have stayed secret were it not for a 13-year-old girl who saw the incident at Priory school.

The teenager, who did not wish to be named, said: “I left about an hour early and about half an hour after she [Bikson] left the stage. I came outside and I was about to cycle off and she was behind the gate next to our school canteen which was locked and said, ‘excuse me, can you help me?’ She sounded quite desperate. I said the only way back out is through the auditorium and she said she didn’t want to go back through the auditorium because of everyone. She said ‘they all despise me … and they don’t want me to go back in there’.”

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Isomermaid posted:

The blitz spirit is mostly invoked by people that didn't live through it, or if they did were well enough off so as not to be materially affected as far as I can tell.

It's a bit passe, but whenever the Blitz spirit is invoked I always recall this observation by Henning Wehn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqEB_598cU8&t=140s

Braggart
Nov 10, 2011

always thank the rock hider

Azza Bamboo posted:

Can I ask how to parse your username?



I love this! Wordplay in cartoon form. Excellent :D

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

No great escape: Tory scales bins and fence to exit climate hustings

quote:

It is a common dilemma for any hard-bitten politician faced with a hostile crowd: how best to make a sharp exit to avoid embarrassment?

For one 63-year-old Tory councillor confronted with a less than receptive audience during a climate crisis debate the answer was to clamber over some bins and scale a fence.

Nancy Bikson was a last-minute replacement for the Conservative prospective MP Maria Caulfield, who was too “busy” to attend climate hustings for candidates in the key marginal seat of Lewes, East Sussex, at a school on Monday evening.

Explaining that she was afforded little time to prepare for the event organised by local groups, including a branch of Extinction Rebellion, Bikson said she would not be sticking around for questions after making a short speech. She attracted groans from the crowd, with one man heckling her before she even began speaking, asking: “Why don’t you go now?”

Bikson said she cared deeply about the environment and that she “did her bit” but concluded, to further groans: “It’s all about us, there is no such thing as government. Government is just people.”

Though she eventually gained polite applause, Bikson left the stage after other candidates made speeches and the event was opened to questions from the audience.

However, when she left via the fire escape she found herself outside in a dead end as the school gates wwere locked. Rather than trudging back through the packed hall to get out, she pondered her predicament for up to 45 minutes before opting to climb over the fence.

Bikson’s great escape would have stayed secret were it not for a 13-year-old girl who saw the incident at Priory school.

The teenager, who did not wish to be named, said: “I left about an hour early and about half an hour after she [Bikson] left the stage. I came outside and I was about to cycle off and she was behind the gate next to our school canteen which was locked and said, ‘excuse me, can you help me?’ She sounded quite desperate. I said the only way back out is through the auditorium and she said she didn’t want to go back through the auditorium because of everyone. She said ‘they all despise me … and they don’t want me to go back in there’.”

Explaining that she felt sorry for the stranded politician, the teenager added: “I went back into the canteen to try and open the door from the inside [allowing her a route of escape] but it was locked. Then I got a caretaker. I said a caretaker is coming but she said, ‘don’t worry, I’ll just climb over the gate’. And she got up on the school bins and climbed over the gate. She’d been out there for a while.”

After hearing the tale, the schoolgirl’s mother, who runs a business managing composers, brought the councillor’s ordeal to a wider audience, posting on Facebook: “Lewes Tory MP Maria Caulfield failed to show for tonight’s climate hustings. Her last-minute replacement left the hall before the questions, having first explained that she knew nothing about climate or the environment.

“She was spotted by my daughter 45 minutes later still trying to find her way off the premises without having to go back through the hall. She ended up climbing the fence via the bins. Ignominious.”

Bikson apparently admitted her actions later, telling the Evening Standard on Tuesday “It was only because there wasn’t any other way and I didn’t want to disrupt everybody. It was either that or sit outside for a couple of hours.”

But when the Guardian rang to get her version of events she was tight-lipped, replying: “I can neither confirm nor deny, thank you.”

Lewes was previously held by the former Liberal Democrat minister Norman Baker for nearly two decades before being won by Brexiter Caufield in 2015. But the Conservatives only have a majority of just over 5,000, meaning the constituency, which narrowly voted remain during the EU referendum, is a top target for the Lib Dems.
It's incredible that some of these people manage to get dressed on their own and leave the house without falling down the stairs.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

There is no such thing as society, or government, also I am a boat.

Isomermaid
Dec 3, 2019

Swish swish, like a fish
Quick, what's "nothing to see here" in Latin?

Unkempt
May 24, 2003

...perfect spiral, scientists are still figuring it out...

Isomermaid posted:

Quick, what's "nothing to see here" in Latin?

Hic nihil videre, but that's probably wrong.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

If it is it's probably only grammatically, so you'd be saying like "I see nothing here" instead, latin grammar is dumb.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Oh dear me posted:

Unemployment benefit was turned into Jobseekers allowance in 1996, Blair went on about handup not handout in 1999.
The important thing about the Labour position to remember is that it's all about seperating unemployment from disability, and setting up what sounds like a legislative framework to make sure it's protected.

The downside is that unemployment support might still probably be vulnerable to lovely blairite ideology, but hopefully the 'guaranteeing a minimum standard of living' part will help.


I hadn't seen that yet, but on page 2 they mention enshrining the UNCRPD into UK law working with disabled people the whole time*, and while I haven't read up on it (I'm no lawyer), I would hope that it will enshrine a real legal framework that'll be a right bastard for any Tories / blairite wreckers to try and remove.

* Though as previously mentioned, some physical disability campaigners can still be pricks about learning difference / mental illness, so hopefully it's consulted on by the relevant disabilities.

Shogi
Nov 23, 2004

distant Pohjola

OwlFancier posted:

There is no such thing as society, or government, also I am a boat.

That quote has been bugging me for hours. She summed up the Tories. Distilled the vitriolic essence. In one perfectly vacuous abnegation of responsibility, one absurd denial of reality. Then she climbed over some bins to avoid looking a bit awkward.

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Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Pesky Splinter posted:

The "Queen" at that NATO dinner thing is just several corgis co-ordinating in a Queen skin-suit.

No it's just one corgi in a Queen mecha.

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