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Dec 5, 2019 12:32
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now that i've finally seen parasite i can easily say it is the best movie of 2019. maybe the best movie of the decade. i love how the film is neatly bisected between dark comedy and thriller in much the same way that it starkly divides the kim and park families across class lines. and don't get it twisted, the film's title refers to the parks. the kims are lovely, but only because the parks force them to be
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Dec 5, 2019 13:25
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im honestly kind of curious how the academy is going to shaft parasite because there just havent been enough good movies this year that you can point to one anybody has heard of and plausibly claim its even in the same league
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Dec 5, 2019 13:40
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the lighthouse is just two Hollywood guys acting at each other for a couple hours, the academy loves that. also there were Scorsese and Tarantino movies this year. I just wish more people heard of Monos, it’s my favorite of the year
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Dec 5, 2019 13:54
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Serf posted:now that i've finally seen parasite i can easily say it is the best movie of 2019. maybe the best movie of the decade. i love how the film is neatly bisected between dark comedy and thriller in much the same way that it starkly divides the kim and park families across class lines. and don't get it twisted, the film's title refers to the parks. the kims are lovely, but only because the parks force them to be The themes of betrayel of solidarity and lack of class consciousness embodied in the old housekeeper and her bootlicker husband was the highlight for me.
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Dec 5, 2019 14:06
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really gotta love how she jumped immediately to class betrayal at the slightest excuse completely failing to realize that actually following through on executing the threat was effectively double suicide
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Dec 5, 2019 14:10
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KiteAuraan posted:The themes of betrayel of solidarity and lack of class consciousness embodied in the old housekeeper and her bootlicker husband was the highlight for me. god yes i was marveling at how quickly the power dynamic shifted once the kims were revealed and how it absolutely represents how capital keeps labor divided. there was a way for both proletarian groups to get what they wanted, but since they sought to emulate the capitalists rather than defy them, the idea of working together was never even entertained also, the kims are not con artists, imo. they misrepresent themselves, sure, but they aren't scamming the parks. they do their jobs and by all accounts do them well. i've seen so many takes where people call them criminals or scammers, but they absolutely aren't
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Dec 5, 2019 14:10
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parasite will win best comedy at the golden globes
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Dec 5, 2019 14:18
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you sure about that i bet bob iger has a lot of bribe money lying around and is still very not angry about scorcese calling his corporate direction commercialist trash
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Dec 5, 2019 14:24
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Serf posted:also, the kims are not con artists, imo. they misrepresent themselves, sure, but they aren't scamming the parks. they do their jobs and by all accounts do them well. i've seen so many takes where people call them criminals or scammers, but they absolutely aren't It works with the subtext that the Parks, embodying the wealthy, get their prestige and positions through nepotism and bullshitting. Like how a very normal kid is treated as some sort of artistic savant by his dullard mother, despite him ya know, just making art any kid would make. And how she is treated as some sort of cultured person by those around her, despite being a dingus. If it is okay for them, why not the Kims? They aren't hurting anyone. Cannot wait to rewatch it, so much going on.
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Dec 5, 2019 14:28
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The Kims' unethical behavior was arguably not conning the Parks, but forcing the maid and the chauffeur out of their jobs. They paid lip service to how the chauffeur could easily find work again, but that line could be read as them rationalizing their behavior, rather than breaking the 4th to let the audience know to not worry about him. They didn't rationalize ousting the maid in the same way. Of course, the next defense for the Kims is probably that they were just operating under cutthroat capitalism; and that there's No Ethical Competition, etc. But I don't recall anything to suggest the chauffeur would have done the same thing. Maybe he was a bootlicker?
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Dec 5, 2019 14:48
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hes reliant on recommendations but you have to remember that in his line of work being a sex pest isnt necessarily a disqualifier in this case it only mattered because he had access to a teenage girl
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Dec 5, 2019 14:53
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Echo Chamber posted:The Kims' unethical behavior was arguably not conning the Parks, but forcing the maid and the chauffeur out of their jobs. They paid lip service to how the chauffeur could easily find work again, but that line could be read as them rationalizing their behavior, rather than breaking the 4th to let the audience know to not worry about him. They didn't rationalize ousting the maid in the same way. Of course, the next defense for the Kims is probably that they were just operating under cutthroat capitalism; and that there's No Ethical Competition, etc. But I don't recall anything to suggest the chauffeur would have done the same thing. Maybe he was a bootlicker? I mean, it's not like the Kims were actually rewarded for their actions.
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Dec 5, 2019 15:20
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Echo Chamber posted:The Kims' unethical behavior was arguably not conning the Parks, but forcing the maid and the chauffeur out of their jobs. They paid lip service to how the chauffeur could easily find work again, but that line could be read as them rationalizing their behavior, rather than breaking the 4th to let the audience know to not worry about him. They didn't rationalize ousting the maid in the same way. Of course, the next defense for the Kims is probably that they were just operating under cutthroat capitalism; and that there's No Ethical Competition, etc. But I don't recall anything to suggest the chauffeur would have done the same thing. Maybe he was a bootlicker? the thing is the kims' behavior is just a natural consequence of capitalism. like they're essentially destitute at the start of the film, literally living halfway underground. one step above being homeless. and they're not looking to steal, they want to work, and they're hustling to get by folding pizza boxes for pennies. they do the driver and the housekeeper dirty, yes, but they do that because they're desperate and because their material conditions have forced them into a dog-eat-dog mentality. they're cutthroat and unethical, but they learned it from watching the parks and people like them. that's the sort of poo poo that capitalism requires you to do. and the true tragedy of the film is that at the end, ki-woo still buys into the capitalist dogma and worse he thinks that economic mobility is possible. its a very sad film
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Dec 5, 2019 16:13
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Some Guy TT posted:im honestly kind of curious how the academy is going to shaft parasite because there just havent been enough good movies this year that you can point to one anybody has heard of and plausibly claim its even in the same league I haven't seen it, but I feel pretty confident it won't be nominated for Best Picture, and probably won't even win Best Foreign film.
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Dec 5, 2019 16:29
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lawl that the new hipster thing is to act like you're a downtrodden righteous minority for stanning a multibillion dollar utterly mainstream blockbuster franchise for supposed societal relevance in the face of films that openly tackle class struggle
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Dec 5, 2019 17:42
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Ghost Leviathan posted:lawl that the new hipster thing is to act like you're a downtrodden righteous minority for stanning a multibillion dollar utterly mainstream blockbuster franchise for supposed societal relevance in the face of films that openly tackle class struggle look, netflix cancelling the lotr prequel is a loss for us all
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Dec 5, 2019 17:59
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WampaLord posted:He said the only reason RLM didn't like the prequels was that they were "Not Their Star Wars" and not due to any flaws inherent in the films The closest to being right MisterBibs has ever been.
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Dec 5, 2019 18:55
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Some Guy TT posted:and is still very not angry about scorcese calling his corporate direction commercialist trash i mean his mentor (eisner) infamously based the disney company's ethos on "we don't have an obligation to make art, we have an obligation to make a profit, and it's a happy coincidence if we create the former in the pursuit of the latter" so my guess is he doesn't really care what scorcese has to say about his insanely profitable multi-billion dollar franchises
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Dec 5, 2019 20:04
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Freaking Crumbum posted:i mean his mentor (eisner) infamously based the disney company's ethos on "we don't have an obligation to make art, we have an obligation to make a profit, and it's a happy coincidence if we create the former in the pursuit of the latter" so my guess is he doesn't really care what scorcese has to say about his insanely profitable multi-billion dollar franchises Yeah there's no way he gives a poo poo or even takes it as an insult.
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Dec 5, 2019 20:07
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Freaking Crumbum posted:i mean his mentor (eisner) infamously based the disney company's ethos on "we don't have an obligation to make art, we have an obligation to make a profit, and it's a happy coincidence if we create the former in the pursuit of the latter" so my guess is he doesn't really care what scorcese has to say about his insanely profitable multi-billion dollar franchises bob iger founded D23, which in the past ten years has basically been a fan club devoted to how good bob iger is at running disney, so I'm just about certain that the idea that the marvel movies aren't art is loving eating him up inside because that's just how important his ego is to him
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Dec 5, 2019 20:11
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I remember once joking with some Disney fanatic I knew about like, Aladdin cosplay panels at D23 Expo and she got personally offended in a way people usually do if you insult their religion. Also insisted Obama was ineligable to be President because of the Natural Born Citizen Clause and Ted Cruz was eligable. That's my person with an identity based on consumption of a corporate good story.
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Dec 5, 2019 20:14
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General Dog posted:Yeah there's no way he gives a poo poo or even takes it as an insult. yeah he’s not, he’s actually laughing
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Dec 5, 2019 20:16
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I know not everyone consumed RLM's content the same way; but those prequel reviews came around the right time for me. It broke whatever delusions and rationales I had and the need to be "loyal" (for lack of a better word) to a brand for the sake of fanboyism. RLM was part of the gradual process of throwing off some bad nerd impulses. And this was all before the Disney acquisition which renewed new life and new toxicity into the meta-culture of Star Wars fandom.
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Dec 5, 2019 20:18
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Dr. Killjoy posted:yeah he’s not, he’s actually laughing laughing all the way to the bank
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Dec 5, 2019 20:24
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Serf posted:the thing is the kims' behavior is just a natural consequence of capitalism. like they're essentially destitute at the start of the film, literally living halfway underground. one step above being homeless. and they're not looking to steal, they want to work, and they're hustling to get by folding pizza boxes for pennies. they do the driver and the housekeeper dirty, yes, but they do that because they're desperate and because their material conditions have forced them into a dog-eat-dog mentality. they're cutthroat and unethical, but they learned it from watching the parks and people like them. that's the sort of poo poo that capitalism requires you to do. and the true tragedy of the film is that at the end, ki-woo still buys into the capitalist dogma and worse he thinks that economic mobility is possible. its a very sad film I was immensely angry at that scene at first (I am very stupid and assumed it was a flash-forward until it was revealed to be an idle daydream) followed by being equally depressed. Parasite is an emotional rollercoaster.
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Dec 5, 2019 20:29
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also the fact that in parasite the camera shows people moving upwards when they go to the rich park family house and downwards when they go to the poor kim family apartment? love it. simple visual storytelling but it really hammers home the themes through the camera. its a movie with two locations and it loving uses the poo poo outta them
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Dec 5, 2019 20:31
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I would watch a hyper-stylized Silmarillion animated series.
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Dec 5, 2019 21:41
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ATP_Power posted:I would watch a hyper-stylized Silmarillion animated series. Oh man. Hell yeah.
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Dec 5, 2019 22:07
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Echo Chamber posted:I know not everyone consumed RLM's content the same way; but those prequel reviews came around the right time for me. It broke whatever delusions and rationales I had and the need to be "loyal" (for lack of a better word) to a brand for the sake of fanboyism. RLM was part of the gradual process of throwing off some bad nerd impulses. nothing is sacred but also the star wars prequels are good, actually
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Dec 5, 2019 22:34
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ElNarez posted:nothing is sacred but also the star wars prequels are good, actually they're bad, but its okay, so are the original movies
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Dec 5, 2019 22:39
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ElNarez posted:nothing is sacred but also the star wars prequels are good, actually true. if nothing else, they had soul put into them, which is more than you can say for disney's assembly-line movies
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Dec 5, 2019 22:44
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Serf posted:true. if nothing else, they had soul put into them, which is more than you can say for disney's assembly-line movies this is uncalled-for
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Dec 5, 2019 22:47
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The fact that we still do nothing but argue about the prequels pretty much says all you need to know about the sequels.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR5q2fXfkVo
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mandatory lesbian posted:they're bad, but its okay, so are the original movies
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Dec 6, 2019 06:24
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https://twitter.com/arabnews/status/1202357007358951424?s=21
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mandatory lesbian posted:they're bad, but its okay, so are the original movies I hadn’t watched the original movies since I was in my late teens and decided to show my wife, who hadn’t seen any of them, and man the dialogue was just so bad. She doesn’t really care about spectacle so watching with her put me in the mindset of “is this a good story well told” instead of “is the laser cool”. I think that and the fact that the last twenty years of big budget Hollywood film have been so totally colonized by capitalist nerds who think wookiepedia is the height of creative expression kinda makes going back to their Kitty Hawk a lot less appealing.
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ElNarez posted:nothing is sacred but also the star wars prequels are good, actually no, dude, no. wooden acting, awful plastic digital effects, terrible scripts, terrible plots, they're bad films. you do not have to twist yourself into knots this way just because the new ones are also bad
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