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I maintain that Trump will do some narcissistic retconning and insist that actually he didn't really want to win a second term and instead only ran when l the GOP leadership came and said "sir, sir you just have to run again" but then they didn't do any work. At least I hope that's the case because all the super-chuds buying into whatever bullshit grift he spins up and also turning on the GOP for betraying him is like the best case scenario. Edit: have some folded paws of belly rub bliss: 
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oxsnard posted:We joke a lot, but I'm legitimately afraid for the day Trump resigns, gets removed by the senate or loses. I think there will be lots of violence i feel like if trump loses and if he actually demanded blood in the streets and violence happened, he would be hosed. i feel like people would probably surround the white house and bey for his ousting(before january) and probably his head. most americans dislike trump and if he pushed it to far by being a sore loser(to say the least) and directly caused peoples death, he would be hosed.
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Dec 6, 2019 04:55
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oxsnard posted:We joke a lot, but I'm legitimately afraid for the day Trump resigns, gets removed by the senate or loses. I think there will be lots of violence If 2018 is anything to go by there will be violence before and after the election regardless of its actual results. But Trump absolutely has the power to control how much there will be. He might even opt to not feed the flames by like declaring victory by having had the most successful presidential term of all time. But he might cry for blood.
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Dec 6, 2019 05:09
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My worries about violence are tempered by knowing that the people most inclined towards demented, deranged, violent Republican support at the levels necessary to create mass violence are usually tempered by infirmity and decentralization, and young people are proving they're more committed to sustained protest anyway in the places that actually matter to the us economy. a protected power grab crisis in the US basically means riots countrywide as the youngs bite back
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Dec 6, 2019 05:16
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Kavros posted:My worries about violence are tempered by knowing that the people most inclined towards demented, deranged, violent Republican support at the levels necessary to create mass violence are usually tempered by infirmity and decentralization, and young people are proving they're more committed to sustained protest anyway in the places that actually matter to the us economy. a protected power grab crisis in the US basically means riots countrywide as the youngs bite back i mean, i feel like if he refused to leave and he started trying to declare himself eternal president. their would be massive protests and like i said earlier. the people who matter like the pentagon and the IC and etc won't back trump.
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Dec 6, 2019 05:25
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i feel like if trump loses and if he actually demanded blood in the streets and violence happened, he would be hosed. i feel like people would probably surround the white house and bey for his ousting(before january) and probably his head. most americans dislike trump and if he pushed it to far by being a sore loser(to say the least) and directly caused peoples death, he would be hosed. How many times has Trump been hosed now? The dude has no bounds....And will absolutely call for violence and like always, it won't be directly stated it will be implied and encouraged. The one thing that Trump understands is plausible deniability. This is the main reason he hasn't been removed from office. The one time he hosed up and gave that up he ended up with an impeachment inquiry.
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Dec 6, 2019 05:26
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Dapper_Swindler posted:idk. Id say be wary but i dont think we are gonna see daily bombings and super organzied attacks like some think. i feel like the walmart attack as well as the others this year scared the FBI into some action and i assume a bunch of these guys got pinched or flipped now. do i think we could have some more walmart type horrors with online radicalized idiots? sadly probably, do i think we are gonna see a bunch of chuds in rorscach masks and black tactical suits launch simultaneous strikes for their fat king. No. Yeah, but are you afraid? Like "Obama is going to take all our guns" afraid? 
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Dec 6, 2019 05:29
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i mean, i feel like if he refused to leave and he started trying to declare himself eternal president. their would be massive protests and like i said earlier. the people who matter like the pentagon and the IC and etc won't back trump. He won't out and out declare himself 'eternal president', he will claim that the election was rigged and it wasn't legit. Him leaving the White House will absolutely not be a peaceful transition of power.
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Dec 6, 2019 05:31
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Otteration posted:Yeah, but are you afraid? Like "Obama is going to take all our guns" afraid? not really. i am kinda too privledged to be out and out afraid unless the GOP somehow kills healthcare. my boring job isn't a place that any chuds would target and i live in a boring purplish blue area. pkay posted:How many times has Trump been hosed now? The dude has no bounds....And will absolutely call for violence and like always, it won't be directly stated it will be implied and encouraged. The one thing that Trump understands is plausible deniability. This is the main reason he hasn't been removed from office. The one time he hosed up and gave that up he ended up with an impeachment inquiry. i mean more if he loses the election. pkay posted:He won't out and out declare himself 'eternal president', he will claim that the election was rigged and it wasn't legit. Him leaving the White House will absolutely not be a peaceful transition of power. no poo poo. my view is that the probable worst case scenerio is that he screams and bitches and tries to fight it all the way to inauguration day and then quietly and bitterly leaves and doesns't show up to inauguration. who ever wins takes power but has to deal with the fact that trump didn't help at all with transfer of power.
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Dec 6, 2019 05:39
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pkay posted:He won't out and out declare himself 'eternal president', he will claim that the election was rigged and it wasn't legit. Him leaving the White House will absolutely not be a peaceful transition of power. --Steve Bannon, Fox News, opining on the end of the Obama presidency, sans information.
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Dec 6, 2019 05:42
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pkay posted:He won't out and out declare himself 'eternal president', he will claim that the election was rigged and it wasn't legit. Him leaving the White House will absolutely not be a peaceful transition of power. I could also see him pushing the narrative that he deserves two more years because of how "rigged" everything was against him. He does this occasionally at his rallies, but I could see him attempting to artificially stretch out his tenure without voting, because a vote means he probably loses.
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Dec 6, 2019 05:45
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Ice Phisherman posted:I could also see him pushing the narrative that he deserves two more years because of how "rigged" everything was against him. He does this occasionally at his rallies, but I could see him attempting to artificially stretch out his tenure without voting, because a vote means he probably loses. Sounds bad. What do you think we should do to prevent it?
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Dec 6, 2019 05:51
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Otteration posted:Sounds bad. What do you think we should do to prevent it?
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Dec 6, 2019 05:59
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Abner Assington posted:Guillotine all conservatives, Republican/Libertarian/Blue Dog alike, op.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:I prefer crucification but in this case let us set our purity tests aside and work towards bipartisan agreement. Got wood?
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Otteration posted:Got wood? Infrastructure week baby!
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Dec 6, 2019 06:07
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Otteration posted:Got wood? A little, at the mention of “guillotine”. Kinda personal question there, tho
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Dec 6, 2019 06:07
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Crucifixion is a more hosed up way to die than mechanized decapitation. I approve.
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poo poo, if that's the aim, then just go with the Blood Eagle. And if it was just a literary invention, then make it real.
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Dec 6, 2019 06:18
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Abner Assington posted:poo poo, if that's the aim, then just go with the Blood Eagle. Please, we should go further and bring back/in what was almost certainly a literary invention: the snake pit! Use local varieties of horribly deadly serpents for eco-friendliness!
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Dec 6, 2019 06:31
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i thought we all agreed that converting the wall street bull into a brazen bull was the one method to use.
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Otteration posted:Sounds bad. What do you think we should do to prevent it? Hold the election of course and ignore him. If he doesn't run he just loses and then he looks foolish. If he does run then problem solved. And the solution is the same if he refuses to leave office. Get out in the streets. I know that PJ gets a lot of poo poo for saying that we should have a labor strike, but if Trump legit refuses to leave office then getting into the streets and jamming up traffic and generally not working and being a nuisance en masse would do it. Trump would catch fire from the air friction as he was tossed out by the powers that be. Trump could very well be the catalyst for a bunch of wildcat strikes due to how much people loving hate him. Don't scoff. poo poo like this does become possible when people hate you more than they fear you. The thing about a labor strike that most people complain about is that they're tethered to their jobs and desperate. This is true and if you can't afford it or don't want to risk it, don't do it. But you can provide support to people who are doing that sort of thing. It doesn't take absolutely everyone to make a general strike happen. One or two percent, or even just a few thousand in the right jobs would bring the economy screeching to a halt. We saw the effects of that during the shutdown when the government stopped paying people to run security theater in airports. Then the stewardesses stopped working and poo poo got fixed really loving fast because if planes stay on the ground, everyone loses money, not just the airlines. Shutting down major sectors of the economy like transportation, energy, banking and agriculture is hard, but if one critical profession stops then everything comes to a halt. We're living in the world of just in time deliveries. Our supply chain is incredibly fragile and wouldn't take much to halt and from that halt, the chaos would rapidly spread through the economy. I'm remembering in particular the wildcat labor strikes and occupations in France in 1968. In a mere three weeks the French people got basically everything they ever wanted in terms of a welfare state. The government had fled in terror and there were real worries about the country flipping from capitalist to communist or state power collapsing altogether. In the US, I think that something along those lines could be possible and honestly, that's basically what a Sanders administration would be going for to break the back of the neoliberal order when healthcare was denied by the supreme court, because of course it will be. I give it a week, maybe two before the political class rubber stamps everything so we don't go full socialist and instead embrace social democracy instead. Everything seems inevitable right up until the moment that it isn't. Ice Phisherman fucked around with this message at 07:32 on Dec 6, 2019 |
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Dec 6, 2019 07:17
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i mean, i feel like if he refused to leave and he started trying to declare himself eternal president. their would be massive protests and like i said earlier. the people who matter like the pentagon and the IC and etc won't back trump. that's also true, but genuinely along the lines of mass uprising, the young and the urban hold all the cards and their protests are meaningful portents. republicans can certainly engage in plenty of violence, and i certainly expect future Charlottesville style demonstrations of the right's increasing perversity — but i also certainly expect future Charlottesville style demonstrations of the anti-rightist counters to the tools of fascism. as usual, though, it's all time and waiting and watching things get worse faster before they can presumably get better. all it represents is a theoretical maximum to which we have to actually worry about the "great right uprising" because the vast majority of the right is geriatrics in increasing states of isolation and meaninglessness to the country's economic vitality.
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Dec 6, 2019 07:22
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Otteration posted:--Steve Bannon, Fox News, opining on the end of the Obama presidency, sans information. Has this presidency taught you nothing about the GOP and their projection. This is the main reason I said it, they tend to project hard. His own loving lawyer who is currently sitting in jail said as much...
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Dec 6, 2019 07:25
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The only way Trump can stay in office past his term is if the secret service is on his side. They aren’t. As soon as noon hits on Inauguration Day, they have a new boss.
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Dec 6, 2019 07:38
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CelestialScribe posted:The only way Trump can stay in office past his term is if the secret service is on his side. They aren’t. As soon as noon hits on Inauguration Day, they have a new boss. The Secret Service are bodyguards and they deal with the treasury. They are not a power player in politics. The power players in politics if the president needs to use violence are the military, the intelligence agencies and the police. Trump has routinely pissed off the military and he constantly infuriates and humiliates the intelligence agencies. Only the police will throw down for him and they are not enough.
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Dec 6, 2019 07:41
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Ice Phisherman posted:Everything seems inevitable right up until the moment that it isn't. Something I think about a lot, and a lot more than usual the past few years, is the phrase "Every society is three meals away from chaos".
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Dec 6, 2019 07:43
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Ice Phisherman posted:The Secret Service are bodyguards and they deal with the treasury. They are not a power player in politics. Right, which is why The “he won’t leave office” talk is paranoid bullshit.
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Dec 6, 2019 07:46
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CelestialScribe posted:Right, which is why The “he won’t leave office” talk is paranoid bullshit. You assume that he is a sane, rational person. He's not. Even before his brain broke from age all of his instincts are authoritarian, but he is, at his very core, stupid. He's been insulated from consequences his entire life and has not developed self-preservation instincts. Competent fascists shower praise on their men and women of violence. Making your violence apparatuses loyal to you is super basic poo poo but a lot of fascists don't get this right because many of the people who ascend to power through their big mouths and big promises aren't actually all that smart. And you can tell that he's not smart because Trump humiliates them. His near total insulation from consequences has stunted his ability to understand some concepts about personal safety which would seem absolutely basic to you and me. That's what happens when you don't have to consider consequences. That part of your brain stays smooth and uncomplicated. He'll attempt to stay in power anyway despite the fact that he probably won't be able to hold it. Fascists are gamblers by nature and that includes Trump. The problem is that Trump is a pretty lovely gambler. He'll attempt to stay until a credible threat is presented or until his old as is shuffled out the back door. Ice Phisherman fucked around with this message at 08:06 on Dec 6, 2019 |
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FizFashizzle posted:Meanwhile, the West Virginia DoC is doing great. loving porkbelly motherfuckers https://twitter.com/rklueber28/status/1202722185690914817
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Dec 6, 2019 08:16
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Congressmen HATE him! One weird trick to get the political class to rubber stamp everything you want.
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Nonsense posted:loving porkbelly motherfuckers Jesus, think of all the stray bullets hitting cars in traffic too.
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Stereotype posted:I know that everything Republicans do and say is in bad faith, but if people are working they shouldn’t need assistance at all because they should be getting paid enough money to live. Not totally. There are people that work, but need SNAP because they are only worked a couple dozen hours a week. There were five on SNAP that worked at McDonald's back when i worked there because the jobs they did were only needed like 20 hours a week. I even had my hours reduced because being the maintenance guy I earned more per hour than most everyone there meaning when that labor ticker started climbing above the cutoff point I was one of the first to get sent home. There were weeks I only worked ten hours.
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mod sassinator posted:Jesus, think of all the stray bullets hitting cars in traffic too. Yep, one of those killed was a random driver uninvolved in the robbery. So that's the UPS driver, the 2 robbers, and a bystander killed.
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Dec 6, 2019 09:00
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Nonsense posted:loving porkbelly motherfuckers Goddamn, and in that crowd of traffic too. These fucks all need to be fired and sent to prison
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canepazzo posted:Yep, one of those killed was a random driver uninvolved in the robbery. So that's the UPS driver, the 2 robbers, and a bystander killed. In defense of the police, if they had waited to engage the UPS van when it wasn’t on a crowded highway surrounded by people, it would have given the thieves the opportunity to....uh...you know... *trails off*
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Dec 6, 2019 09:13
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SocketWrench posted:Goddamn, and in that crowd of traffic too. These fucks all need to be fired and sent to prison Also the cops using cars with bystanders still in them as cover.
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Tacier posted:In defense of the police, if they had waited to engage the UPS van when it wasn’t on a crowded highway surrounded by people, it would have given the thieves the opportunity to....uh...you know... *trails off* They might have escaped or damaged the valuable stolen property, so this was all justified. Gotta protect those shiny rocks and metals
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Dec 6, 2019 09:20
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Drunk Theory posted:They might have escaped or damaged the valuable stolen property, so this was all justified. Gotta protect those shiny rocks and metals it was a failed robbery, there was literally nothing of value in the truck except the hostage driver.
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Ice Phisherman posted:And the solution is the same if he refuses to leave office. Get out in the streets. A general strike held nation wide would work if Trump won't leave office but I don't think there is any will to do it on city, state, or national level so its not really reasonable to talk about it seriously happening. IMO there is more chance the Senate impeaches Trump (which is pretty dang unlikely to say the least) than any thing like a general strike occurring. Personally I think Trump will make more thinly veiled insinuations of violence if he is voted out and will also publicly state that somehow Dems cheated but won't actually try to stay in office. The guy is a grifter and conman and I'd expect him to try and generate some false drama and conspiracy theories to profit off wingnut welfare rather than seriously keep power.
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