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WhatEvil posted:And you all told me Ben Elton was a melt. I thought he was too. Now I like him again. Wish he'd write something funny again though. (Seriously, that's a pretty good video) edit: lovely snipe. If I had 103 more cats, I would have 105 cats. 
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I got a letter from an 'elections expert' saying that the only party that can stop Brexit and stop independence are the Lib Dems. They lost their deposit here in 2017.
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marktheando posted:I got a letter from an 'elections expert' saying that the only party that can stop Brexit and stop independence are the Lib Dems. They lost their deposit here in 2017. You and quite a lot of people, came up a few pages back.
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The Sun posted:FOOTBALL HOOLIGANS UNFURL ANTISEMITIC BANNER AT GAME The Guardian posted:Football 'hooligans' 'unfurl antisemitic banner at game'
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marktheando posted:Oh I assumed Taron Egerton was posh because of his silly name. Can You Tell If These Names Are Posh or Just Welsh
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ThomasPaine posted:ultraleft twitter is at it again I don't see why this is bad. Pressuring Labour from the left is absolutely good and we absolutely need to do this once they are in government continually. Unless you think the current manifesto is fine and the end goal of socialism in which case I suppose I get why you don't appreciate the point LibCom are making but also please don't call yourself a socialist. XMNN posted:https://twitter.com/libcomorg/status/981520015018156033 Yes, why aren't the anarchocommunists engaging with the liberal democratic political institutions?  Seriously, loving hell. "Barricades now or volunteer for Labour" is some "you say you hate capitalism but you have a smart phone" level logic. Just behave.
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I am extremely skeptical of people who believe they are above engaging with the liberal democratic political institutions that govern our lives whether they do it because they're privileged or whether they do it because they've disappeared up their own arse revolutionarily.
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OwlFancier posted:You and quite a lot of people, came up a few pages back. Oh when was that, I thought I had been keeping up with this thread recently. I found some English versions of it on that election leaflets thing, it's funny how the English one talks about tactical voting to keep out the Tories and the Scottish one talks about tactical voting to keep out the SNP. kustomkarkommando posted:Can You Tell If These Names Are Posh or Just Welsh I apologise to Wales, and to Taron Egerton. He was likeable in the Kingsmen movies, which are the only things I've seen him in.
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I can't even begin to describe the raw power of Angela Smith's own video promos. They have to be seen to be believed. They have to be watched to the end. I pinky-double-secret-handshake-promise you that it's worth every moment. https://twitter.com/angelasmithmp/status/1202957374774030348?s=20 https://twitter.com/angelasmithmp/status/1203262376306511872?s=20 (No, that's not your audio being weird.)
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marktheando posted:Oh when was that, I thought I had been keeping up with this thread recently. Can't remember exactly but it was from Mike... smithghbluhbluhsomething. Can't remember his name. Old guy, looks a bit like a pickled onion in a shirt. Runs some polling site or something.
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OwlFancier posted:Can't remember exactly but it was from Mike... smithghbluhbluhsomething. Can't remember his name. Old guy, looks a bit like a pickeled onion in a shirt. Runs some polling site or something. yeah that's the one
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As, of the R'lyeh smithghbluhbluhsomethings.
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OwlFancier posted:Can't remember exactly but it was from Mike... smithghbluhbluhsomething. Can't remember his name. Old guy, looks a bit like a pickled onion in a shirt. Runs some polling site or something. Smithson?
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forkboy84 posted:Smithson? I mean I thought that but that's also what I would guess if I forgot the name so I figured it was wrong. I also vaguely remember it having more syllables.
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Bundy posted:Some good music coming out of this election
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I can't find the Scottish one on the website and I threw out the one I got in the post, but here's an English version- https://electionleaflets.org/leaflets/17548/ forkboy84 posted:Smithson? Yeah
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OwlFancier posted:I mean I thought that but that's also what I would guess if I forgot the name so I figured it was wrong. I only know because the first time someone posted the letter with his face on it I recognised it from someone (probably Pissflaps) posting him in the thread in the past. So I had to go look it up as otherwise it'd nag at me. Unrelated but mildly funny https://twitter.com/jetfury/status/1186412589040963585?s=20
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Holy poo poo, we've got a live one. https://twitter.com/jewishpeacock/status/1203331846303633408?s=21 https://twitter.com/jewishpeacock/status/1203370362626609152?s=21
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Chuka Umana posted:Is that from today? Can't tell if it is. Looks a bit older to me but who knows.
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Chuka Umana posted:Is that from today? No, his hair is a lot shorter than that now.
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Twitter says 2013.forkboy84 posted:No, his hair is a lot shorter than that now. Also he's melted a bit since then, especially since the campaign started.
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Junior G-man posted:https://twitter.com/TheLabourLeftie/status/1203030312160284672?s=20 Well, he's right. Tory MPs are certainly far below most other people in ability and spiritual worth...
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forkboy84 posted:I don't see why this is bad. Pressuring Labour from the left is absolutely good and we absolutely need to do this once they are in government continually. Unless you think the current manifesto is fine and the end goal of socialism in which case I suppose I get why you don't appreciate the point LibCom are making but also please don't call yourself a socialist. You are correct but this is plainly not 'qualified support for labour, an institutionally flawed party that needs to go a lot further but is at present the best shot the left has at regaining ground'. It's 'lol labour are just as bad as the Tories, a Corbyn government would be as bad as a Johnson one, what's the point in voting anyway'. Outside of an election that's dumb hyperbole that nevertheless creates leftward pressure, but pulling it right before a GE is outright dangerous.
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My first thought was that it must be a sophisticated deepfake Then I remembered this is what Tories actually believe - they are usually just better at dogwhistling it rather than coming out and saying it
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ThomasPaine posted:You are correct but this is plainly not 'qualified support for labour, an institutionally flawed party that needs to go a lot further but is at present the best shot the left has at regaining ground'. It's 'lol labour are just as bad as the Tories, a Corbyn government would be as bad as a Johnson one, what's the point in voting anyway'. Outside of an election that's dumb hyperbole that nevertheless creates leftward pressure, but pulling it right before a GE is outright dangerous. Sort of overestimating the influence of a really good & useful website's Twitter account either way TBH I have doubts about socialists who don't have serious reservations with liberal democracy as a pathway to socialism. Like, I engage with it because it's a compromise I'm willing to make in the short term but parliamentarianism has been shown to repeatedly take the wind out of the sails out of radical movements in exchange for reforms which absolutely improve things but it turns out are also depressingly easy to reverse so long as you have enough money & media influence. I get why someone would be reluctant to do so for this manifesto. I mean mate, if you go to the LibCom Twitter expecting them to endorse a social democratic party pushing what would have been regarded as a pretty milquetoast manifesto 45 years ago I dunno what to say. Anarchists  Outside influences on the left keeping the heat on Labour is a good thing. Challenging the stupid assumption that more police is a positive? A good thing.
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If climate change wasn't a problem that capitalism is inherently incapable of solving I might agree with you, but I think right now we need the structures we have to make immediate changes, it's not possible to make changes that paper over the cracks any more, until we solve the root problems it's going to keep getting worse for people, so the need is never going to go away. The young folk who've joined up this election that I've spoken to are all more left than the party itself. The membership is more left than the party. But we are just, just on the cusp of being able to take control of the government, and that limits what's on the table. The generation gap is not going to go away overnight though, we're going to get further left right in time for the need for transformative left politics to become an absolute necessity. I put more faith in that than "well actually liberal democracy is an affectation of the bourgeoisie and furthermore glub glub glub ow ow the bullets ow I'm starving to death" OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Dec 7, 2019 |
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 "Mr Prime Minister, thank you so much for coming to play football with the children." "It's my pleasure, and you're looking pretty prime yourself, so it could be your pleasure too afterwards..." "Erm, no thank you Mr Johnson, and please put Johnson Jr away." "Oh my goodness I'm sorry, I must fire the aide who dressed me. That certainly wasn't intentional... unless you'd like it to be?" "Absolutely not, sir! Now, this is our star striker Usain, who will be taking all the penalties against you. He was born here to Jamaican immigrant parents who have since been deported in the Windrush scandal, and his raw talent got him into this school on a full scholarship. Unfortunately though, you cut the budget for that, so he's having to pay his way by working nights making piccaninny dolls for an Etsy shop owned by one of the other children. His drive really is phenomenal to keep up with all of that, and he's the most powerful and accurate striker we've ever had. Such an inspiring young man. Usain, please smile with your eyes too." "Erm, okay. I hasten to add that I am not at fault for any of that. Also, may I have a cup? No one gave me one." "I'M SORRY MR JOHNSON I CAN'T HEAR YOU NOW THAT I'VE WITHDRAWN BEHIND THE PENALTY SPOT, AND BESIDES, YOU SEEMED TO ENJOY HAVING IT OUT EARLIER!" "Mr Johnson I have been so looking forward to meeting you. This shot is for my parents, so that you may not become one again. And this shot is for my school, whose funding you cut. And this shot is for my friends, whose activity centre you closed. And this shot is for..." 
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Like everyone I've spoken to in labour agrees that the press is poo poo, the young ones doubly so, they don't like the liberal democratic process, but they want, need changes now, they want something to do now, and telling them to accept more tories and hope for the rapture isn't gonna work. Telling them not to participate in the liberal democratic politics and just hope that some suitably left wing government magically occurs isn't going to work.
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Nothingtoseehere posted:And no members of the local council have spoken out or were bribed to keep their mouth shut? Close elections happen, and recounting till you get consistant results is sensible if it's close. There's no real gain to fraud in that one seat, and it's not like they expected to lose it so could have prepared something ahead of time. Recounts tend to be very similar to the original count. Fife was 1 vote; it finished at 2. Perth and North Perthshire was counted to 36 votes; it finished at 21. Kensington was around 35 votes on the provisional result; it finished at 20. Hastings and Rye had Rudd losing by a small margin I don't recall now; she won with 346.
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forkboy84 posted:I don't see why this is bad. Pressuring Labour from the left is absolutely good and we absolutely need to do this once they are in government continually. Unless you think the current manifesto is fine and the end goal of socialism in which case I suppose I get why you don't appreciate the point LibCom are making but also please don't call yourself a socialist. I mean the liberal democratic political institutions have a real material effect on the lives of everyone living in this country, so it seems like engaging with them might be a worthwhile thing to do occasionally? Like, I can understand why you might be opposed to them on principle, and I agree with the criticisms of Labour's immigration and policing policies that I saw on their timeline, but if you actually care about making peoples lives better next week and not just at some hypothetical point when we start collectively self-organising then you should be trying to get a Labour government IMHO. I also saw their tweets about how canvassing for social democrats distracts from direct action and how they're going to "continue to try to run their own lives without the intervention of a ruling class" or whatever it was, but a lot of people (me included) weren't organising workers coops and strikes beforehand so I'm not sure how distracted from those activities I've been and running our own lives with the intervention of rulers might be the way forward, but currently there are people in charge of stuff and they're still going to be in charge next week so at least we might as well try and make sure they're not the loving tories https://twitter.com/libcomorg/status/1098311707762544644 https://twitter.com/libcomorg/status/981499020815282177 like, great, you don't think it will help mitigate things at all? personally I will take milquetoast social reforms that mean people aren't dying on the streets, people aren't using foodbanks, the nhs works, schools don't have to beg parents for funds etc etc, even if it's not full communism now, even if it's not a route that will get us to full communism ever. Criticising Labour from the left is a good thing, deciding that "gently caress it, it won't change anything because reformism is for idiots" is just denying objective reality maybe I'm misreading the tone of their tweets and maybe they are actually out there working to overthrow capitalism, I don't know, I have no idea who these people are. I just clicked on one of their tweets, saw something I thought was funny and made a glib comment.
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All polls are poo poo but the latest ones have Labour closing the gap, mad motivation for motley canvassers. The Graun? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/07/opinium-poll-tories-15-point-lead-over-labour-four-days-until-election quote:
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Darth Walrus posted:They're not scrapping it, they're expanding it to other couples (civil partnerships and the like). It's a broader tax break, not a narrower one. Junkenstein posted:What are some good examples of parts of the NHS that have already been privatised, to counter the 'if tories wanted to sell the NHS they would have done it by now' bullshit? Non priority means that either; 1 - Only certain ops are deemed to be non priority (in which case your trust has a financial incentive to deny you it and we start getting into US-like areas of HMOs), - Or it means that ALL hip replacements / steroid injections are now deemed non priority, which is bullshit. Either way, this is a change made under the tories that means the nhs is no longer free at the point of service, which is a dangerous step for it to be taking. Oh, and some GP surgeries in London are charging for priority appointment slots, but I can't find a source because the Sun and Mail are spamming a study that says people should have to pay £25 loving quid for an appointment. I remember it was on an underground ad. Nettle Soup posted:My friend is worrying about a Labour government, because the house she'll inherit when her parents die is worth over 450k. McDonnell said in an interview (so not the manifesto) they are looking into ways to fairly implement a £125k per recipient cap, so larger families will actually benefit more per person. It sounds like it's got a lot of planning still to go, but it's also supposed to curb inhertited wealth, so... Sorry but the policy is working as designed? £125k is enough for a very decent down-payment on a mortgage, a mortage she'd be able to pay easily under Labour's welfare & social security plans. Braggart posted:THAT'S WHAT THE BREADLINES WILL LOOK LIKE IF CORBYN GETS IN!!!
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