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Maugrim
Feb 16, 2011

I eat your face

Angepain posted:

parents could probably get all the joy with less of the waste if they just made/bought a reusable one and refilled it with random sweeties each year (i think i had one as a kid? can't remember exactly), but then capitalism would have less poo poo to sell us and I imagine the kids would still yell when they saw the expensive christmas thing with the dogs from the tv on and it would be another whole thing to deal with

My wife made a reusable one last year and it's brilliant, can make a project of it with the kids if they're old enough, by buying a wooden blank and decorating it with stickers etc. Fill each drawer with a chocolate, a decoration for the tree and a piece of paper with a Christmassy activity to do that day.

Doccykins posted:

That poll still has only 62% of 18-24yo and 59% of 25-34yo 10/10 definitely voting

Turn out the youth and the figures skew Labour

Those are really high figures for youth certainty, aren't they? If we get all those and even a small proportion of others that's better turnout for those age groups than most previous years.
Don't have the figures to hand though and yeah I'm calling that poll is bullshit even if the turnout figures are close to correct.

e: On this day 122 years ago (1897), activist Marguerite Durand founded the feminist daily newspaper, La Fronde in Paris. It was financed by a donation of 7 million francs from the Jewish banker Gustave de Rothschild, which was extremely antisemitic of Jeremy Corbyn.

Maugrim fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Dec 9, 2019

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Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

ThomasPaine posted:

no it isn't

It's average. Could be an outlier but men do tend to skew right wing.

Still think Labour will do better than Polls say because of a better ground game that Polls struggle to track.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Isomermaid posted:

God on the same day as Big Bird as well :-(

Lil' Bub, Big Bird, and Odo.

At least the three that were taken are known now :(

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid

Gonzo McFee posted:

Conservatism ages a man.

it's not even that particularly, he's just got that dweeby historian/bowtie/adult convert to Catholicism thing going on that always makes me think they came out of the womb aged 50 and wearing tweed

I think I also confuse him and Fraser Nelson quite a lot

Tigey
Apr 6, 2015

XMNN posted:

also also also how many elections can these people do the "as a former natural labour voter I must regretfully cast my ballot for the murdering the poors party" bit for before even their atrophied sense of self-awareness starts to kick in
They were never Labour voters.

I mean look at Tim Stanley's piece about May - its pretty representative of them - nowhere does it actually say why he supposedly historically voted Labour, other than 'reluctant tribal loyalty'. All positives about Labour - even historical ones - are mentioned in the most passing fashion possible, and are always vague and undefined. All references to the Tories - present and historical - are glowing and full of praise for their brave and sensible policies.

He's also been 'moving in this direction a long time', thus reinforcing the point that the Tories have always been right, and when he voted Labour he was clearly wrong - but he now sees this!

Its entirely performance art, posing as a pet 'ex-left winger' that their paper can wheel out to reassure its readers. Doesn't even have to be remotely credible - any hack will do.

I mean - does anyone seriously believe that John loving le Carre would have ever ever voted Labour? They are getting more and more ridiculous

Tigey fucked around with this message at 02:00 on Dec 9, 2019

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Oh no, I am growing old and selfish, and rather than acknowledge or deal with this, I will instead vote Tory to make myself feel better about it.

Lady Demelza
Dec 29, 2009



Lipstick Apathy

OwlFancier posted:

Tories don't do energy, they're the collective id of the rotting brains and flesh of the useless old parasites that can do nothing but vote to spite everyone else.

One Tory voter told me that they would never vote Labour and would never vote Lib Dem, so that didn't leave them a lot of choice where they lived. It's not exactly a ringing endorsement of the Tories, more like inertia, but the final vote count can't tell the difference between an enthusiastic Tory and one voting because of muscle memory.

I am nervous for Friday.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

Angepain posted:

parents could probably get all the joy with less of the waste if they just made/bought a reusable one and refilled it with random sweeties each year (i think i had one as a kid?

I still have the advent calendar we used every single year. There were never sweets. We were unbelievably excited on the 8th when we knew the picture would be of Father Christmas in the chimney. The past is another country.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Oh dear me posted:

I still have the advent calendar we used every single year. There were never sweets. We were unbelievably excited on the 8th when we knew the picture would be of Father Christmas in the chimney. The past is another country.

Once we brexit we can take control of our temporal borders!

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Oh dear me posted:

I still have the advent calendar we used every single year. There were never sweets. We were unbelievably excited on the 8th when we knew the picture would be of Father Christmas in the chimney. The past is another country.

Same here. When we used to get them (1960s) they were just little nativity scenes. I don't know when this new-fangled chocolate thing started.
And we didn't have trick or treating either. We used to have a halloween party in the local village hall with bobbing for apples. And as for 'proms' don't get me started.
And if we needed a new school satchel - that was your combined birthday and christmas present for the whole year! Modern kids expecting school bags on top of presents. I don't know.

:corsair: :corsair: :corsair: :corsair: :chanpop:


Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 02:19 on Dec 9, 2019

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021

Angepain posted:

Best to get in quick while they haven't found a way to outlaw it

If it's illegal then it doesn't matter when or how I do it.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Same here. When we used to get them (1960s) they were just little nativity scenes. I don't know when this new-fangled chocolate thing started.
And we didn't have trick or treating either. We used to have a halloween party in the local village hall with bobbing for apples. And as for 'proms' don't get me started.
And if we needed a new school satchel - that was your combined birthday and christmas present for the whole year! Modern kids expecting school bags on top of presents. I don't know.

:corsair: :corsair: :corsair: :corsair: :chanpop:

It started sometime before the mid-80s because I was born in '85 and never had anything except a choccy calender.

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021

RockyB posted:

Jesus Azza you should really cross-post some of your edits,

This one seems to have taken off in the other thread.

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through
Huh, from doing history in public:

site posted:

Calendars filled with chocolate began to appear from the late 1950s around the time that they also began to spread around the world. Eisenhower is sometimes credited with the American popularisation of them having been photographed while President opening them with his grandchildren.

Chuka Umana
Apr 30, 2019

by sebmojo

Trickjaw
Jun 23, 2005
Nadie puede dar lo que no tiene




Set them all ahad.

Zephirus
May 18, 2004

BRRRR......CHK

My god, it's full of shites

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling




It's gove what really makes this :discourse:

Munin
Nov 14, 2004


In my family we had a branch with little wrapped packets of sweets hanging off it when I was a kid. It was nice.

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

It would be cheating to play pin the tail on the jackass with this picture.

Apraxin
Feb 22, 2006

General-Admiral


C'mon lads and lasses, we can still make this real, we can still help Chairman Corbyn put a giant flag that says LABOUR on top of Westminster Palace.

yaffle
Sep 15, 2002

Flapdoodle

Apraxin posted:



C'mon lads and lasses, we can still make this real, we can still help Chairman Corbyn put a giant flag that says LABOUR on top of Westminster Palace.

Giant red Corbyn erupting from the earth under westminster to nationalise godzilla.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?
Every time they try to make him look scary they just make him look amazing.

Venuz Patrol
Mar 27, 2011
my only worry is that the tories will perform slightly better now that jim messina isnt playing fifth column for them anymore

Jollity Farm
Apr 23, 2010

HopperUK posted:

Every time they try to make him look scary they just make him look amazing.

He just looks so harmless. Every time the papers try to find a picture of him looking sinister or fearsome he just looks like he's seen where the slugs have been eating his cabbages. Then they try to dress it up with interesting graphics, and everyone on the internet says "awesome" because we love that stuff.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Apraxin posted:



C'mon lads and lasses, we can still make this real, we can still help Chairman Corbyn put a giant flag that says LABOUR on top of Westminster Palace.

MARXIST BRITAIN

God I hope so

Union of Britain set up by Tom Mann and with the royals hosed off to Canada when?

Nexa
Apr 1, 2010

Firos posted:

My partner wrote a blogpost about what a Labour government would mean to the disabled, and it'd be cool if you could all have a look.

Oh wow that was your partner? I actually encountered that in the wild, read it, was deeply moved and gave it some <3 and a retweet. I feel the same as her in so many regards, it really resonated with me.

Keep fighting, keep believing. <3

WhatEvil
Jun 6, 2004

Can't get no luck.

Bunged another £100 to Labour today. Hope it helps.

winegums
Dec 21, 2012


Apraxin posted:



C'mon lads and lasses, we can still make this real, we can still help Chairman Corbyn put a giant flag that says LABOUR on top of Westminster Palace.

Fills me with hope. They're utterly incapable of painting the Tory manifesto as anything good. They can't turn their readers into Tory voters, all they can do is try to make them not vote labour

Furnaceface
Oct 21, 2004




Ms Adequate posted:

MARXIST BRITAIN

God I hope so

Union of Britain set up by Tom Mann and with the royals hosed off to Canada when?

Hey dont send us your garbage. :mad:

Chuka Umana
Apr 30, 2019

by sebmojo
Just joined Labour!! Paid my 51 pound annual fee.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Munin posted:

The problem is that the engaged are more energised than ever but the disengaged are being swamped with bullshit through media and advertising.

Frankly, we have to hope that the energy is real and the number of young, poor, and minority voters do indeed break all the turnout models.

The fact that we're not seeing a positive shift in the poll numbers is worrying though.

Yeah, it's the 'flood the media with disinformation and bullshit until people disengage and say: "Oh, who knows what the truth is"' method. Pioneered by the Russians but quickly adopted elsewhere due to its effectiveness. Most people spend a strictly limited amount of time trying to keep up with current affairs, so if you can fill the time that they do spend with distraction and flannel, they've got no chance of grasping what's actually going on.

Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


ThomasPaine posted:

no it isn't

Yes it is. The same way you only need a tiny sip of a broth to tell how it tastes, you only need a tiny sample of the population to guess the full story - if your sample is representative. Telephone polling is not because who picks up phones from random numbers, but a poll of a 1000 is enough.

Beefeater1980
Sep 12, 2008

My God, it's full of Horatios!







Knew him as a kid. Age 13-18 he was a hyper precocious hard leftie who used to do trips to every country with an anti-western authoritarian leader and send back postcards wildly praising the place. He came to hard right conservatism after Cambridge via a philosophy he called communitarianism, which as far as I could tell was basically looking at the disaffected working class and saying “what if they’re right about the problem being all these outsiders coming in and diluting our culture?”

He was sweet as a kid. I think he got broken somewhere along the way but not sure how exactly :(

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008
The BBC are trailing tonight's Panorama, which looks like it's going to be pretty negative about Universal Credit.
I'll be quite surprised if a prime-time slot the week of an election is given over to something critical of the government, so look for this to get replaced with a 30 minute documentary about Boris Johnson's dead cat puppy.

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Boris Johnson recites Greek poetry, a paragon of western christian civilization.

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT


Half of them look badly photoshopped in. Either that or they're disappearing Back to the Future style :haibrow:

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

CoolCab posted:

he drinks several pots of coffee a day, which both explains the above and probably explains why it's wrong

FRESH POTS!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhdCslFcKFU

(As the video explains,he's cut his caffeine consumption right back)

CGI Stardust
Nov 7, 2010


Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

I'll be back
the porn that nobody wanted

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Gwaint
Oct 22, 2010

"Music is the truth. Just listen..."

GordonTheDeadFish posted:

I posted a few months ago about finally joining Labour, after years of putting up with increasingly gammony family. I did that, but I've had some health issues over the last few months. Losing my brother did a number on my depression, with all the attendant woes.

Well, I've finally decided to go out and do something - just emailed my local branch about the canvassing and leafleting events for the next few days. Probably won't be the biggest impact - I'm in Poole, and a 14k Con majority won't be beaten overnight. Is anyone else round this way? Not sure how it'll go in such a safe seat, and I'm even a little worried about running into someone from work.

Despite what the national polls say, the energy of this election feels very different to 2017. I'd never have even considered something like this without reading everyone here posting about getting out there, and the podcast has been a great boost as well. Really curious just how many extra people have got into campaigning because of this thread.

Late to reply to this but I live in Poole too. I've been spending my efforts canvassing in Bournemouth West. I'm hopeful there can be a Labour majority in both Poole and Bournemouth West, but the latter is more of a target seat, I was informed.
Hopefully we'll bump into each other some time! :hfive:

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