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I'm starting to feel like the elections are and have been rigged for a long time now in most western countries. I don't think it would be a very hard thing to do if a group of wealthy people who own all the political, media and physical infrastructure of each country got together and planned to do this... How would anyone know? How would anyone like myself right now saying this avoid looking like a tinfoilhat conspiracy theorist? The way things are set up, how is it possible to penetrate the layers of bullshit if the people in power use their ridiculous resources to concoct a huge conspiracy that no-one would believe was possible because our media defines what is real and what is ridiculous? They could just present whatever results they want, and back them up with completely fabricated narratives that no-one is capable of cross-referencing with anything else in order to disprove. Every resource you can use to get information is controlled by the people that own the institutions that collate that information. I apologise for the tinfoil but god drat sometimes it seems like the world is so stupid and I have so much trouble reconciling that with the fact that everyone I interact with wants a better life, and the people offering that seem to always just get destroyed by what I'm told is the result of everyone voting. I'm drunk, I'm suspicious, and I'm sad. I'm sad for everyone that is going to suffer because of this "result", if that is even what it is. (is this barganing or denial?)
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Grondoth posted:So was there a good reason Corbyn was so unpopular? Everything I saw of him made him look like a decent, respectable guy. When I'd watch those legislating sections, most people and the Tories in particular seemed like hooting idiotic children, but he seemed pretty okay. he isnt traditionally or studiously charismatic as a politician, hes just likeable for being a consistently decent person who cared about people. He was never as combatative in debates as he was campaigning so what he had in charisma wasnt always visible, which is lol for a leader then a 4 year smear campaign that succesfully whipped up real fear about the holocaust while protecting the pm by editing history just like stalin or his alter ego, red jez in a ushanka
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Dec 13, 2019 01:39
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We better laugh it up now before trump gets re-elected
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Dec 13, 2019 01:39
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Phew. A relief that none of my family members will need to be fleeing the country next week. Hopefully the next Labour leader realises that you can't build a platform of hope upon anti-semitism.
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Dec 13, 2019 01:39
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People are going to throw their neighbours into meat grinders to get brexit.
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Dec 13, 2019 01:39
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stev posted:I hate this feeling. If you've got nothing else left, motivation out of spite is still motivation.
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Dec 13, 2019 01:39
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stev posted:I hate this feeling. I have this feeling. It’s gross. I also know that ultimately, while a lot of Tory voters will suffer at their own doing, a lot of Labour supporters will as well and I feel worse for them.
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Dec 13, 2019 01:40
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Tolth posted:Phew. A relief that none of my family members will need to be fleeing the country next week. lol you’re a loving moron
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Dec 13, 2019 01:40
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Listening to LBC radio right now, what a bloodbath. How the tables have turned since 2017. Can Corbyn survive this? Anyplace in US showing BBC coverage?
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Dec 13, 2019 01:40
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Cactus posted:I'm starting to feel like the elections are and have been rigged for a long time now in most western countries. I don't think it would be a very hard thing to do if a group of wealthy people who own all the political, media and physical infrastructure of each country got together and planned to do this... How would anyone know? How would anyone like myself right now saying this avoid looking like a tinfoilhat conspiracy theorist? Nah, having seen how elections like yours (Canada, seems to be basically the same thing over here), the results are almost certainly the real ones. The actual rigging is done in the media.
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Dec 13, 2019 01:40
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Lightning Knight posted:We better laugh it up now before trump gets re-elected yeah it just boggles my mind that a whole party looks at the US health system and goes this! this is what we need to emulate
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Dec 13, 2019 01:40
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Lol at anyone who thinks that it's the left that Jewish people should be scared of.
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Dec 13, 2019 01:41
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Don't judge yourselves too harshly for your bitterness and spite. It's part of pain. Just don't keep it around for too long.
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Dec 13, 2019 01:41
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They don't need to tamper with the results en-masse, they can simply rig it openly, by controlling the narrative via wealthy control of the press and setting the rules by which people are allowed to engage with politics. This is not called rigging, it is called liberal democracy, it is how it is supposed to work.
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Dec 13, 2019 01:41
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Cactus posted:I'm starting to feel like the elections are and have been rigged for a long time now in most western countries. I think it's more simple than that. They don't need a conspiracy, the fashy cunts own every loving media outlet already. They have no obligation to report fact. It's no surprise so many people buy into their narrative, who are they going to believe? All of the press, or the 'loony lefty brigade'?
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Dec 13, 2019 01:41
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Itzena posted:If you've got nothing else left, motivation out of spite is still motivation. at least i'll be alive to watch the world burn down around the people who caused it, that hateful burning ember gets me out of bed some days
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Dec 13, 2019 01:41
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Party Plane Jones posted:yeah it just boggles my mind that a whole party looks at the US health system and goes this! this is what we need to emulate They're not looking at the health system, they're looking at the bank accounts of health insurance companies.
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Dec 13, 2019 01:42
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I’d leave the mocking till the people literally contemplating suicide have gone bed.
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Dec 13, 2019 01:42
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Grondoth posted:So was there a good reason Corbyn was so unpopular? Everything I saw of him made him look like a decent, respectable guy. When I'd watch those legislating sections, most people and the Tories in particular seemed like hooting idiotic children, but he seemed pretty okay. My girlfriend has the opinion that he is generally unlikeable, but she had no explanation as to why. I'd think it's just a general media making GBS threads on him constantly - and if not believing what they say, just hearing negative comments and seeing pictures of him scowling constantly is not going to help things. There's also the other theory, that he comes across as being incredibly sincere and he does a lot of good poo poo - which makes people a little pissy because they think about how they could be doing good things but they're not. Either way it's dumb as gently caress, and I personally think it's because the media poo poo on him constantly.
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Dec 13, 2019 01:42
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Cactus posted:I'm starting to feel like the elections are and have been rigged for a long time now in most western countries. I don't think it would be a very hard thing to do if a group of wealthy people who own all the political, media and physical infrastructure of each country got together and planned to do this... How would anyone know? How would anyone like myself right now saying this avoid looking like a tinfoilhat conspiracy theorist? nah man, people actually vote like that, and you live in an echo chamber. So its worse, sry
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Dec 13, 2019 01:43
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Tolth posted:Phew. A relief that none of my family members will need to be fleeing the country next week. this is either a lovely joke or I feel very sorry for what is about to happen to you and yours under a solid Tory majority. My heart is breaking for you all, and I’m already sick to my stomach thinking of it all happening again in just a few months here in the US. All my hope’s spent.
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Dec 13, 2019 01:43
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HopperUK posted:Don't judge yourselves too harshly for your bitterness and spite. It's part of pain. Just don't keep it around for too long. I'm perfectly fine with being bitter and spiteful of idiots who dont know what's good for them. let them die for all I care.
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Dec 13, 2019 01:44
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silver lining is there is no way boris maintains his popularity. he's going to have to actually make decisions now rather than just go on about getting brexit done
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Dec 13, 2019 01:44
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There are so many that deserve this and i am not going to protect them from it.
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Dec 13, 2019 01:44
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Chuff McNothing posted:There are so many that deserve this and i am not going to protect them from it. That's okay and that is valid
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Dec 13, 2019 01:45
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marktheando posted:silver lining is there is no way boris maintains his popularity. he's going to have to actually make decisions now rather than just go on about getting brexit done My concern, however, is that what opposes him is simply a much nastier, much more openly fascist party.
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Dec 13, 2019 01:45
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BBC showing that every single Labour seat that went 55%+ leave is going Tory under the exit poll. This is going to be taken as a referendum on leftist politics but it really is just Brexit.
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Dec 13, 2019 01:46
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Tolth posted:Phew. A relief that none of my family members will need to be fleeing the country next week. The Tories are literally erecting monuments of anti-Semites op
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Dec 13, 2019 01:46
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marktheando posted:silver lining is there is no way boris maintains his popularity. he's going to have to actually make decisions now rather than just go on about getting brexit done
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Dec 13, 2019 01:47
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Peanut Butter posted:I think it's more simple than that. They don't need a conspiracy, the fashy cunts own every loving media outlet already. They have no obligation to report fact. It's no surprise so many people buy into their narrative, who are they going to believe? All of the press, or the 'loony lefty brigade'? You know I always thought the American Press was as center right to right as they come, but holy poo poo the British Press is somehow WORSE? That is mind numbing
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Dec 13, 2019 01:47
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Hopefully this result will drive a stake through the heart of socialism in this country and labour can shift back towards being a moderate, sensible, centre-left party.
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Peanut Butter posted:I think it's more simple than that. They don't need a conspiracy, the fashy cunts own every loving media outlet already. They have no obligation to report fact. It's no surprise so many people buy into their narrative, who are they going to believe? All of the press, or the 'loony lefty brigade'? You're probably right and it's depressing. My best friend didn't vote because he fell for the "they're all bad" propaganda. I chewed him out on whatsapp for it and he basically just joked around. I said I was not going to carry on with the conversation because it was going to really piss me off and bowed out for the night, but it really dispirited me because he was treating it ike a laughing matter and I was taking it seriously, and I loving used to do exactly what he is doing now. Because I was an ironically detached Gen-X prick back then. So I can't really kick him too hard for it because I was guilty of the same. I now have some perspective on how others must have seen me back then.
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Austen Tassletine posted:Hopefully this result will drive a stake through the heart of socialism in this country and labour can shift back towards being a moderate, sensible, centre-left party. Because LibDem did so well with that plan
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Dec 13, 2019 01:48
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Tolth posted:Phew. A relief that none of my family members will need to be fleeing the country next week. gently caress off
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Dec 13, 2019 01:49
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El Pollo Blanco posted:The Tories are literally erecting monuments of anti-Semites op I think I'm probably going to go with the almost unanimous opinion of Jewish community leaders on this one.
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Dec 13, 2019 01:50
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Austen Tassletine posted:Hopefully this result will drive a stake through the heart of socialism in this country and labour can shift back towards being a moderate, sensible, centre-left party.
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Dec 13, 2019 01:50
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Weasling Weasel posted:I'm genuinely, not in a poo poo-posting kind of way, interested to see where he goes. His ideology is whatever it needs to be for him to get elected at all times, which is why what he stands on the spectrum changes whether he's London Mayor or Spectator columnist. With literal free reign, he now actually has to be what he stands for in his head. And I haven't got a clue what that's supposed to be. He's a massive racist, op.
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Dec 13, 2019 01:50
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Cactus posted:I'm starting to feel like the elections are and have been rigged for a long time now in most western countries. I don't think it would be a very hard thing to do if a group of wealthy people who own all the political, media and physical infrastructure of each country got together and planned to do this... How would anyone know? How would anyone like myself right now saying this avoid looking like a tinfoilhat conspiracy theorist?
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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peanut- posted:BBC showing that every single Labour seat that went 55%+ leave is going Tory under the exit poll. Honestly this should be an indictment of the "Why can't Labour just be a remain party" crowd. But yeah, it will be blamed on the left.
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