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I still believe in good. I still believe in Red. I still believe that one day the billionaires will have to pay their due. I might be dead by then, our lovely blue marble might be a blackened wreck but by golly when that first billionaires head slides into the hallowed arms of the guilliotine my spirit will whisper on the wind. "OOoooooh Jeremy Corbyn."
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:the number one mistake socialists can make is assuming that, because their policies are better for the working class, the working class will support them. that requires class consciousness, that is, the understanding on the part of the working class that they are a distinct class with distinct interests. this consciousness has been deliberately hammered out of the working class internationally for decades, with the results that we see now. billionaires have class consciousness and vote in support of their material interests. the precariat have class consciousness and vote in support of their material interests (which now includes engineers, lawyers, doctors, and academics, because of how dire things have gotten). the working class do not, and the organs that usually spread class consciousness-- unions, socialist newspapers, and so on-- have been hollowed out. social media has encouraged atomization and individualism, but this has been going on for decades, and really there's no shortcut to O R G A N I Z I N G. organizing doesn't just mean door-knocking, it means building class consciousness and solidarity, and that means building unions. there's no way around it. this is a very good post
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Taintrunner posted:they need to go all in on John McDonnell and get people angry about how hard they are going to get reamed up the rear end. they have no loving clue just how bad it’s going to get john mcdonnell is vastly better than corbyn but the blairites are going to purge the entire left after this. look at the guardian opeds, its full war now.
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Dec 13, 2019 21:17
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:john mcdonnell is vastly better than corbyn but the blairites are going to purge the entire left after this. look at the guardian opeds, its full war now. How though? They can't roll back the leadership rules. It's a party election. All the Blairite Labour defectors ate poo poo.
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Dec 13, 2019 21:19
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John McDonnell is really not the answer to our problems here lol
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Dec 13, 2019 21:20
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:How though? They can't roll back the leadership rules. It's a party election. exactly. Trump winning didn't make people want obamacare repealed more. why would corbyn losing make every member of labor go "actually I LOVE the iraq war and having no future"
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Venom Snake posted:exactly. Trump winning didn't make people want obamacare repealed more. why would corbyn losing make every member of labor go "actually I LOVE the iraq war and having no future" I can imagine turnout for the leadership election will be depressed though. The British left is going to be in a serious funk for a while.
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Dec 13, 2019 21:24
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:john mcdonnell is vastly better than corbyn but the blairites are going to purge the entire left after this. look at the guardian opeds, its full war now. oh no not guardian opeds
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If you centralize all your countrys well-paying jobs with good benefits in one or two cities then that means that far more people will try to live in those cities in order to obtain those jobs then that cities land and infrastructure can support causing prices rents and the cost-of-living to rise negating any extra salary those decent jibs provide. The end result being that the country, small towns, and small cities are cheap as hell but with no income to get a good living from that cheapness while the big cities have plenty of jobs but its so expensive that you still dont have a good living so everyone everywhere feels like they're poor and miserable. I sure am glad every single industrialized country has adopted this policy u can figure out is a bad idea in 2 seconds of thinking.
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Dec 13, 2019 21:25
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What the gently caress
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come on british communists how many arms and fuel depots can there really be in the uk to sieze
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IWW Online Branch posted:I can imagine turnout for the leadership election will be depressed though. The British left is going to be in a serious funk for a while. Sorta depends, might be for a bit, which is why I'd like Corbyn to pass over to some interim leader to placate the screaming (like fair enough, we did lose loving badly and its largely the fault of running the wrong campaign) while labour gets its poo poo together for a month or two and everyone slowly recovers, then a hearty leadership contest where everyone can make their case.
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Dec 13, 2019 21:27
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Glenn Quebec posted:What the gently caress 
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Communist Thoughts posted:John McDonnell is really not the answer to our problems here lol why
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twoday posted:I support renaming the UK to Chud Island. A lot of people call it Paedo Island, but nowadays it gets confusing if that name refers to Britain or Little St. James, and both of these unfairly take the title away from the original Paedo Island, Pitcairn Little Saint James has a 1.5 star review on yelp and the people who heard of the crimes and abuses committed by the most powerful people in the world on that tiny island and immediately rushed to leave it bad reviews on the internet are the greatest metaphor for our age and this forum I can think of.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:If you centralize all your countrys well-paying jobs with good benefits in one or two cities then that means that far more people will try to live in those cities in order to obtain those jobs then that cities land and infrastructure can support causing prices rents and the cost-of-living to rise negating any extra salary those decent jibs provide. The end result being that the country, small towns, and small cities are cheap as hell but with no income to get a good living from that cheapness while the big cities have plenty of jobs but its so expensive that you still dont have a good living so everyone everywhere feels like they're poor and miserable. I sure am glad every single industrialized country has adopted this policy u can figure out is a bad idea in 2 seconds of thinking. You accurately see the situation, but have inverted the conclusion. It's not bad, it's good: the worker is more precarious, more exploitable, and easier to extract from, they are split and more dependent then ever. Now normally this would mean these folks would be unable to afford an adequate standard of living, but if you stretch that system worldwide... creating tremendous downward pressure on certain goods, massive surplus labor populations focused on cities where the "industrial capitalism" went... folks maybe we can get some buy in, we may have something here.
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Dec 13, 2019 21:31
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RottenK posted:why He was trhe number two guy who brought us to this disaster, he shares pretty much the same image problems as Corbyn except he's maybe a bit tougher. He's irrevocably tainted by this result.
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Dec 13, 2019 21:32
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england is gonna be one of the first western countries to do outright fasicsm after the next great depression/climate migration catastrophe
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Dec 13, 2019 21:33
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Communist Thoughts posted:Sorta depends, might be for a bit, which is why I'd like Corbyn to pass over to some interim leader to placate the screaming (like fair enough, we did lose loving badly and its largely the fault of running the wrong campaign) while labour gets its poo poo together for a month or two and everyone slowly recovers, then a hearty leadership contest where everyone can make their case. It blows my mind that "Boris is going to give you American healthcare" was the wrong campaign
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Dec 13, 2019 21:33
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RottenK posted:why because of yesterday's election performance
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Pomp posted:It blows my mind that "Boris is going to give you American healthcare" was the wrong campaign a consequence of everything being about brexit the nhs? that has nothing to do with brexit, begone
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Dec 13, 2019 21:34
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Gotta embrace brexit, EU's slipped away for good
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Dec 13, 2019 21:36
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Pigman had you guys vote on it
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Dec 13, 2019 21:36
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Yinlock posted:a consequence of everything being about brexit Still can't wrap my head around it, sorry
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A Gnarlacious Bro posted:Gotta embrace brexit, EU's slipped away for good Very much this. Brexit is happening and there's nothing anyone can do about it. I have no idea who should be the next Labour leader, but if any of the candidates even mentions doing another referendum they need to go the way of Old Yeller.
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here is the case in it's entirety detailed democratic case for 2nd independence referendum posted:lmao did they seriously vote for boris
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https://youtu.be/e1l1XGiXgo0 Also at least Jo Swindon lost
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Gripweed posted:What the gently caress did "Dinner Boy going to eat his egg!" even mean? How was that a rallying cry for a political movement? Apparently good boys at posh boarding schools get an (extra?) egg at dinner, a dinner egg. So Corbyn getting his dinner egg was just a joke about him getting his just reward for being good for ages in parliament. But alas. Also I feel like this anti-Corbyn semtiment is missing the fact that you were lucky to even get Corbyn in the first place. If not for a joke by the Blairite faction neither he nor any leftist was in position to be leader ever. You needed Corbyn as leader of the party just to ensure there was a future for leftism in Labour. I'm sure there was a time when he could have been swapped out in the last 2 years, but given his great showing in 2017 that doesn't seem like a good idea in anything but hind-sight. He got poo poo on for years and his approval was in the dumps, then the 2017 election kicked in and his approval massively recovered in light of him actually being on the telly saying things! The problem wasn't Corbyn, the problem was the media learned from that episode and didn't feature him or his plans at all this time, knowing that actually showing the man talking about is plans would give him a boost.
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Top City Homo posted:https://youtu.be/e1l1XGiXgo0 The Lib Dems constantly eating poo poo forever is the one good thing you can count on in British politics.
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They should have let corby do the brexy but they wanted to vote 4 more times about it because pig gently caress man had everybody vote on whether or not they were a proud Englishman or a wimpy pussy who has no faith in their land
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Corbyn would've won if he had pledged to not only do Brexit, but also leave NATO.
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:it was just a online leftist version of the mania libs went for hillary in 2016. at least corbyn had good politics to justify the cult though but that's also probably just "politics" https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1205246679835910145
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Phigs posted:Apparently good boys at posh boarding schools get an (extra?) egg at dinner, a dinner egg. So Corbyn getting his dinner egg was just a joke about him getting his just reward for being good for ages in parliament. But alas. Is it too much to say I hope the troubles 2 find themselves at the British medias literal doorstep or do I need to go chill out for a bit Edit: like, I can't be the only person who thinks the coordinated, cross media smear campaign is going to go down as a deeply criminal action? Pomp has issued a correction as of 21:55 on Dec 13, 2019 |
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labout right plotting a coup alreayd https://twitter.com/peterkyle/status/1205588395193438208?s=20
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Corbyn would have done much better if he embraced his inner leftist and moved on from Remain, but this was an impossible election to win
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