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Tayter Swift
Nov 18, 2002

Pillbug
Hydrasynth sure like like it may end up fitting that bill.

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Mr. Dick
Aug 9, 2019

by Cyrano4747

magiccarpet posted:

future proof.

Due to the nature of capitalism, nothing will be engineered to be future proof. If there isn't anything to differentiate this years model from last years, there's a pretty low finite ceiling on the number of units you will be able to sell.

rickiep00h
Aug 16, 2010

BATDANCE


Mr. Dick posted:

Due to the nature of capitalism, nothing will be engineered to be future proof. If there isn't anything to differentiate this years model from last years, there's a pretty low finite ceiling on the number of units you will be able to sell.

State of the art, sure. Future proof implies that there are also no improvements to be made.

ColdPie
Jun 9, 2006

star eater posted:

if you were an idiot and wanted to get one (!!! lmao yeah right) hardware synth that was a general purpose workhorse (not a speciality beast) what would you recommend?

i was looking at used viruses but they were super popular like 6 years ago and i haven’t been keeping up with releases at all really

FWIW I chose a Novation Peak and I've been very happy with it. I chose it because it's pretty close to knob-per-function. I was finding it difficult to do sound design via menu diving on the Deluge, so I wanted something with hardware controls for most functions. I've mostly been making pads with it, because I love pad sounds, but today I made a bell chime lead that I'm really digging. Other factors were preset support, and digital oscillators that won't need tuning.

Kilometers Davis
Jul 9, 2007

They begin again

How “genre focused” do you all find the Drumbrute Impact + is there anything else on the horizon similar to it, new and analog and close to 300, that I should consider?

The first question is dumb I know but I never know how to detect what genres synth gear is aimed at since I don’t have much interest in the kind of hiphop/electronic music in most product demos and lack knowledge of the hardware and history. I’m assuming for ~vibe~ it’s more about the effects you’re running it through anyway. My Mercury 7 makes everything better. That said, considering it’s more of a quality over quantity approach (a good thing for me, I like simple things with subtle depth) I want to be sure I don’t end up realizing it’s very much not for me. At the same time the challenge could bring out some new musical ideas so I don’t hate the idea.

tldr the Volca Drum was my first drum synth. It’s awesome but I really can’t bring myself to enjoy menu diving and it’s overwhelming to me in general. I always feel like I’m just outside of interacting with it how I want. Direct 1:1 is a huge plus for me and I realize it more every time I go away from it. I’m a sucker for analog gear and have been checking out impact demos for like a year and it seems to cover enough ground while being a very strong songwriting tool.

e: feel free to yell at me about how I should just spend more time learning my volca lol

e2: I keep doubting myself for no reason, I can trust my ears. I’m going to sleep on it and then possibly snatch up this opportunity to finally own one

Kilometers Davis fucked around with this message at 07:23 on Dec 16, 2019

ziasquinn
Jan 1, 2006

Fallen Rib

magiccarpet posted:

I've had a Virus TI2 for a few years and its still my hardware go-to. I can't think of a synth with a better hands on feel, and Access continues to release OS updates.

Everybody is probably dropping theirs now for the Waldorf Kyra, so you can either steal a used Virus or get in early on that Kyra - it seems created to be super future proof.

so from my scant research the biggest difference between ti and ti2 is power? and obviously desktops don’t have keyboards attached. but is the virus keyboard worth the premium

VoodooXT
Feb 24, 2006
I want Tong Po! Give me Tong Po!

star eater posted:

so from my scant research the biggest difference between ti and ti2 is power? and obviously desktops don’t have keyboards attached. but is the virus keyboard worth the premium

At least from playing my Virus KC, the keyboard plays great.

DreadCthulhu
Sep 17, 2008

What the fuck is up, Denny's?!
What's a solid analog(ish) synth that would complement my OB-6 well? With the OB-6 I have most of the 80s leads and pads covered, it's great for that purpose, but it's not really much to talk about when it comes to bass lines. When you put it in unison, it definitely starts to inch there, but I feel like I can do better.

I had a Boog model D and that sounded pretty fat and nasty, BUT it was a real pain to work with in a DAW since it had no concept of patches or being configurable from software. I was thinking maybe a used Sub 37 (I even used to have one back in the day..), although it might be a little to clean sounding. Anything you guys can think of?

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




DreadCthulhu posted:

What's a solid analog(ish) synth that would complement my OB-6 well? With the OB-6 I have most of the 80s leads and pads covered, it's great for that purpose, but it's not really much to talk about when it comes to bass lines. When you put it in unison, it definitely starts to inch there, but I feel like I can do better.

I had a Boog model D and that sounded pretty fat and nasty, BUT it was a real pain to work with in a DAW since it had no concept of patches or being configurable from software. I was thinking maybe a used Sub 37 (I even used to have one back in the day..), although it might be a little to clean sounding. Anything you guys can think of?

Jupiter 8 and Prophet can both lay down some tight hard basses
If you are working from a DAW, DEXED and U-he's TyrellN6 will have you covered for soft synths as well

https://u-he.com/products/tyrelln6/

DreadCthulhu
Sep 17, 2008

What the fuck is up, Denny's?!

Jonny Nox posted:

Jupiter 8 and Prophet can both lay down some tight hard basses
If you are working from a DAW, DEXED and U-he's TyrellN6 will have you covered for soft synths as well

https://u-he.com/products/tyrelln6/

What is the closest modern analog (no pun intended...) of the Jupiter 8? I'm assuming you're not suggesting getting the original.

As far as soft synths, I'm reasonably versed in Serum already. Do you feel like the ones you suggested hit the spot better?

Oldstench
Jun 29, 2007

Let's talk about where you're going.
I've heard very good things about the Deepmind 12. Juno-ish and Jupiter-ish are two things I've seen said about it. Never played one though.

rickiep00h
Aug 16, 2010

BATDANCE


I was just talking about the Deepmind (and Neutron) last night with my wife and lamenting over how Behringer started strong with original-ish stuff but then just went right back to cloning poo poo like they have with studio gear and guitar poo poo for ages.

Which is to say, the Deepmind is really, really good, especially for its price. The keybed isn't my favorite thing, but the engine itself is solid.

snorch
Jul 27, 2009
Roland's SE-02 seems to have everything the Boog is missing, and has some tools to help take the sound beyond the usual minimoog range.

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




DreadCthulhu posted:

What is the closest modern analog (no pun intended...) of the Jupiter 8? I'm assuming you're not suggesting getting the original.

As far as soft synths, I'm reasonably versed in Serum already. Do you feel like the ones you suggested hit the spot better?

Right, so I clearly put no thought into my post. Yes I was suggesting you get the original :facepalm:

The only thing I know about the Jupiter-8 is I really love the Aruturia version, I'm sure there good opinions about the JP-08 and System8 Jupiter plugout.

Serum might be better than the 2 softsynths I mentioned (I've never tried it) but DEXED is the closest match to a DX7 you can get, and TYRELLN6 is a beautiful Juno-like softsynth. Most importantly they are pretty low on system resources, focused, and free!

dj bobby bieber
Oct 9, 2003

the fanciest whale

Jonny Nox posted:

System8 Jupiter plugout.

Sys8 goes hard. I sold mine because I ran out of room and regret it.

Judge Judy
Apr 16, 2001
If you want hardware that plays well with a DAW and can do great basslines, try an Analog Four. Elektron's Overbridge is excellent.

While I haven't used them myself, I hear good things about the Minitaur/Sirin as well, and they can be controlled via software.

Mister Speaker
May 8, 2007

WE WILL CONTROL
ALL THAT YOU SEE
AND HEAR

star eater posted:

so from my scant research the biggest difference between ti and ti2 is power? and obviously desktops don’t have keyboards attached. but is the virus keyboard worth the premium

Yeah, the TI2 just has more DSP available. It's worth it, IMO, as if you're anything like me, you will find yourself wanting more all the time. Access has some handy tips in tutorial videos about strategies to minimize voice usage, but lol you're definitely not going to care and instead opt for the 8-voice unison, detuned double hypersaws with the chorus and the analog filter because it just sounds so good.

As for the keybed, it's a standard Fatar IIRC, so it's quite nice but a lot of hardware synths have the same thing. If you're more the type like me who only uses a keyboard to noodle out a melody and then just write it in the piano roll, save the real estate and get the Desktop. That said,

magiccarpet posted:

Access continues to release OS updates.

What world are you living in where this is true? Access hasn't dropped an OS update in about two years and (I think) the head of the company is making the Kemper Profiling Amp now. People keep asking about the TI3 in Virus forums and FB groups, and the general consensus is that it's never going to happen. There are LOTS of patchbanks out there though that third parties are making even these days (if you guys want some of these I have a ton that I'm willing to share).

quote:

Everybody is probably dropping theirs now for the Waldorf Kyra, so you can either steal a used Virus or get in early on that Kyra - it seems created to be super future proof.

This is true, though, and I'm kind of scared that I'll want a Kyra for myself soon too.

To give you an idea of how much I love the Virus, I've sold mine twice (first had the Keyboard then the Desktop) and bought it back again each time. I want to take another dive into writing but it does not get along with Ableton Live well (at least for me, some users report the same and some others have zero issues, the lucky skunks), which was the source of a lot of frustration that caused me to sell it in the first place. My UltraNova, as much as I love it, is not the same. Serum and Omnisphere, while fun and stupid easy to dial in exactly the kind of hard-hitting neuro patches that I could never seem to crack with my Virus, just don't have the same sound or sheer satisfaction as dialing something cool in with the Virus. So yeah, I've owned one three times, and I don't think I'll sell it a third, in fact I'm giving serious consideration to jumping to Cubase so it'll integrate with less headache.

EDIT so I don't doublepost as I forgot this is what I came here to share originally before waxing romantic about my Virus:

CME Debuts 'WIDI Master' Wireless MIDI-Over-Bluetooth Adapter

Mister Speaker fucked around with this message at 11:40 on Dec 17, 2019

Startyde
Apr 19, 2007

come post with us, forever and ever and ever
Kyra dude was so horny for a new virus he made a new virus.

Clavavisage
Nov 12, 2011
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj43Ssa8IH4

rickiep00h
Aug 16, 2010

BATDANCE



The spouse was geeking out about this last night.

ziasquinn
Jan 1, 2006

Fallen Rib

Mister Speaker posted:

Yeah, the TI2 just has more DSP available. It's worth it, IMO, as if you're anything like me, you will find yourself wanting more all the time. Access has some handy tips in tutorial videos about strategies to minimize voice usage, but lol you're definitely not going to care and instead opt for the 8-voice unison, detuned double hypersaws with the chorus and the analog filter because it just sounds so good.

As for the keybed, it's a standard Fatar IIRC, so it's quite nice but a lot of hardware synths have the same thing. If you're more the type like me who only uses a keyboard to noodle out a melody and then just write it in the piano roll, save the real estate and get the Desktop

To give you an idea of how much I love the Virus, I've sold mine twice (first had the Keyboard then the Desktop) and bought it back again each time. [snip]

I splurged and got the TI2 desktop cause i knew i’d be like ugh i want /more/. now i’m trying to shop for a stupid keyboard

byob historian
Nov 5, 2008

I'm an animal abusing piece of shit! I deliberately poisoned my dog to death and think it's funny! I'm an irredeemable sack of human shit!

Kilometers Davis posted:

How “genre focused” do you all find the Drumbrute Impact + is there anything else on the horizon similar to it, new and analog and close to 300, that I should consider?

The first question is dumb I know but I never know how to detect what genres synth gear is aimed at since I don’t have much interest in the kind of hiphop/electronic music in most product demos and lack knowledge of the hardware and history. I’m assuming for ~vibe~ it’s more about the effects you’re running it through anyway. My Mercury 7 makes everything better. That said, considering it’s more of a quality over quantity approach (a good thing for me, I like simple things with subtle depth) I want to be sure I don’t end up realizing it’s very much not for me. At the same time the challenge could bring out some new musical ideas so I don’t hate the idea.

tldr the Volca Drum was my first drum synth. It’s awesome but I really can’t bring myself to enjoy menu diving and it’s overwhelming to me in general. I always feel like I’m just outside of interacting with it how I want. Direct 1:1 is a huge plus for me and I realize it more every time I go away from it. I’m a sucker for analog gear and have been checking out impact demos for like a year and it seems to cover enough ground while being a very strong songwriting tool.

e: feel free to yell at me about how I should just spend more time learning my volca lol

e2: I keep doubting myself for no reason, I can trust my ears. I’m going to sleep on it and then possibly snatch up this opportunity to finally own one

its a drum machine with a distortion on it so, it likes sounding dirty. idk how trapped into any one genre it is.
it sounds almost like some kinda old 70s kit as far as the hits go. the fm drums nice, works well as a second kick or another tom if you dont want a wild farty sound.

the polyrhythm is the main reason i got it instead of a different machine. i use that to make the cowbell dance all over the place or for weird sound design things, but im sure it could work out nice for real music too

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_L4rOwoUho

It only does pads.


but they are really really nice pads.

Nick Batt orgasms at 21:52

Jonny Nox fucked around with this message at 07:10 on Dec 18, 2019

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002
you can do a lot of those stereo path tricks on the prophet rev2, as well; you can control and modulate voice panning like any other oscillator, and you can use layers + pan to basically run it as an 8 voice true stereo synth if you want

Startyde
Apr 19, 2007

come post with us, forever and ever and ever

Jonny Nox posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_L4rOwoUho

It only does pads.


but they are really really nice pads.

Nick Batt orgasms at 21:52

This put a smile on my face like the first time I played a JX8P

magiccarpet
Jan 3, 2005




Mister Speaker posted:


What world are you living in where this is true? Access hasn't dropped an OS update in about two years

TI2 works with 10.14 which is pretty good considering it got released in 2009. As far as I know most vendors are still recommending against 10.15 so this seems up to date?

a mysterious cloak
Apr 5, 2003

Leave me alone, dad, I'm with my friends!


Anybody do field recordings for music? Now that I'm getting a handle on all things synth, I feel like that would be the next step for me. I know there are tons of recordings online for free, but the DIY is appealing. I was thinking of getting a used Zoom handheld (maybe a used H4N or something).

So Math
Jan 8, 2013

Ghostly Clothier
I do field recordings sometimes! I picked up an old H4 earlier this year, not even an H4N. I've been pretty happy with it.

Tayter Swift
Nov 18, 2002

Pillbug
I bought myself a Soma Ether for Christmas and am looking forward to doing some recording with that :)

Oldstench
Jun 29, 2007

Let's talk about where you're going.

Tayter Swift posted:

I bought myself a Soma Ether for Christmas and am looking forward to doing some recording with that :)

Rad. I really want one of those.

snorch
Jul 27, 2009
Korg just called to inform me they still have a replacement in stock for the E2 touchpad that got all smashed up in my bag, and that's all I need for Christmas!

Lead out in cuffs
Sep 18, 2012

"That's right. We've evolved."

"I can see that. Cool mutations."




a mysterious cloak posted:

Anybody do field recordings for music? Now that I'm getting a handle on all things synth, I feel like that would be the next step for me. I know there are tons of recordings online for free, but the DIY is appealing. I was thinking of getting a used Zoom handheld (maybe a used H4N or something).

I don't, but have been watching a lot of Andrew Huang vids lately, and that's totally his jam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POtV24aOI5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJEpvw9diSU

If you watch his other videos, he does a ton of "OK, I'm gonna take this sample, slice a bunch of drum sounds out of it, find something roughly tonal and tune it chromatically, then make an entire song out of that".

Philthy
Jan 28, 2003

Pillbug
Dave Mech walks around sampling everything and makes music with his Digitakt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aw27-0T3nw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtflCjMIfkY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQXpCs2H580

He has a whole bunch of these.

Tayter Swift
Nov 18, 2002

Pillbug

Oldstench posted:

Rad. I really want one of those.

I had to order the fucker from Italy because no one Stateside has had one all year. Tried to buy one from Vlad directly but Paypal won't let me send money to Russia.

So Math
Jan 8, 2013

Ghostly Clothier
That reminds me, I should finish my Elektrosluch.

DreadCthulhu
Sep 17, 2008

What the fuck is up, Denny's?!
What is up with modern day synths only going up to 61 keys? You look at the top of the line Moog One or the Prophet Rev2 and the best you can do is 61. Do people in the synth world just not use the upmost and lowest registers to justify the extra length to the instrument?

Mr. Dick
Aug 9, 2019

by Cyrano4747
1:) Sequencers

2:) Zones, octave shift

2a:) Three tiered keyboard stands give a better illusion of companionship and lack of cats than a single 88 key keyboard. Or the opposite of that, or whatever it is you nerds are in to.

VoodooXT
Feb 24, 2006
I want Tong Po! Give me Tong Po!
I've personally found 61 keys is perfect as it's large enough where I can comfortably play with both hands unlike a 49 key and not have it be huge like an 88 key keybed.

A MIRACLE
Sep 17, 2007

All right. It's Saturday night; I have no date, a two-liter bottle of Shasta and my all-Rush mix-tape... Let's rock.

What’s the smallest keyboard I can play like Scott Joplin songs on

https://youtu.be/yTgI235BQsM

I think I’m just gonna get a Nord

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DreadCthulhu
Sep 17, 2008

What the fuck is up, Denny's?!
Thing is that I'm tempted to upgrade from my pretty lovely Novation 49, where I CONSTANTLY have to switch octaves, to a 61 key synth with a solid keybed (like say a Rev2) to get that extra room, but then I also really like my Roland 88 key cheapo piano with really great weighted keys, so I wonder if I'll neext the extra 2 octaves..

But like you guys said, having an 88 key controller on your desk is kind of ridiculous, it takes up so much space that you need a permanent space for it that it doesn't move from... Also I feel like I can't think of that many cases on my 88 where I'm using ALL of the octaves at once, usually I'll stick to C0 up to 4-5 octaves higher, so it FEELS like that should be enough. I rarely if ever use octave 6 or 7.

DreadCthulhu fucked around with this message at 08:49 on Dec 21, 2019

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