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Warmachine posted:Of course that is what Purgatory wants you to think. "Why yes of course you've always lived here Harry are you ok?" says the Devil adjusting his mask.
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Foglet posted:Don’t you even loving dare to insinuate that Lt. Kim Kitsuragi is not a true friend and comrade but a really well-made and good-looking wax mannequin of one. What is reality but our perception of it? Is Kim's friendship real to you? His friendship was in your heart all along. We are all Kim.
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Warmachine posted:"Why yes of course you've always lived here Harry are you ok?" says the Devil adjusting his mask. 
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What if you're just a gently caress up and there's nobody to blame but yourself?
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Korsakoff syndrome is a real thing. The purgatory theory would make the whole game silly and cheapen it. The purgatory idea has been done too many times.
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KIM: don't believe in yourself. believe in me, who believes in you
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I am a bit curious why Joyce particularly uses the word "planet" when, to her and people's reckoning of their own world, the term is meaningless. In addition to that, the game world has time and weekdays, which suggests something resembling an orbit around a celestial body, or something at least to denote day and night cycles. We know based on a certain call that there are time-zones as well, which suggests something simulating latitute and longitude lines to demarcate the different zones. I'm trying to cram what we see of the world into a world that Joyce defines, and I have a hard time making sense of it. If the entirety of Elysium is indeed a sphere, I could imagine it looking similar to ours, complete with continents, island chains, and water, but in between the water and land are vast swathes of Pale. But I don't know. Edit: Thinking more about it, instead of working, it's entirely possible the world is geocentric and doesn't orbit anything itself. Then, I think, the world is free to be shaped and timezoned regardless of if it's round or not. chaosapiant fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Dec 17, 2019 |
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Didn't they send satellites into space?
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Fangz posted:Didn't they send satellites into space? According to what's posted above (if I'm understanding it right) not past the ionisphere.
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"Planet" is just a term for a moving celestial body. With good telescopes, it's clear that they are other worlds with geographical features.
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Please tell me there is a way to get Kim to wear the PISSF****T jacket 
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Nastyman posted:Please tell me there is a way to get Kim to wear the PISSF****T jacket You're an extremely bad person
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Studio posted:You're an extremely bad person Hey man he picked it himself. He can have gently caress the World if he wants, I just want us to be fashion coordinated.
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Brown Moses posted:How does Joyce know "The world of Elysium is unique"? Does this suggest at some point Elysium was a planet, and the people recognised it as such, or do they have knowledge of planets beyond Elysium? My interpretation is that Elysium is at least kind of spherical, or a spherical-ish collection of planetary chunks with interstitial Pale, at least on the surface layer. There's an ionosphere, gravity, tides and atmosphere, so it's not completely insane. Where the Pale is, it extends upward into space some distance along with whatever real matter/energy that gets misdirected up instead of remaining planetbound, sometimes fluctuating or forming unusual shapes not unlike solar flares. They've sent high-altitude balloons up for photos, so the closest thing to satellite mapping has to look at a very low angle, which is why Joyce says the planet has to be looked at 'sideways'. The balloons might be able to get high enough to see 'over' the Pale into other isolas, or just infer their presence by other indicators. Either way, the Pale/particulate would form a nearly omnipresent corona around the planet in all directions when viewed from near-space. Not sure why spaceflight is impossible, but it could be because gravity or orbital mechanics are harder when the planet isn't actually a regular spheroid with regular properties. It could be that there's a Pale-induced effect above the atmosphere that interferes with radio computing or makes gravity work different, meaning any rocket, smart or dumb, inevitably spin off and crash. Or maybe it's just more appropriate for the narrative that the true nature of reality is obscured and humanity is definitely trapped on their shrinking islands. As for the Insulindian Miracle, I think it's just romanticised imperialism combined with a little Pale fuckery. The explorers said the Pale 'condensed around them' and formed Insulindae, but we know the Semenese were already in that isola. From the point of view of the explorers, who had never passed through the Pale before and had no point of reference for their travel, the New World did in fact spontaneously form around them. Just like it does for every single other interisolary passenger. The Pale does sometimes vomit up new matter so maybe they did actually get saved from doom by being spat out on a new section of reality, but this small crew of sacrificial goobers definitely did not create an entire chunk of planet - the size of the Pacific Ocean - complete with Semenese natives and very worldly Phasmids. The Semenese most likely just migrated to the isola when the Pale was thinner and easier to cross. A wilder idea I just came up with is that 4000 years ago Insulindae was the same isola as Mundi, and the Semenese were cut off when the Pale ate the middle and split them apart. Either way the imperialist Moralists aren't going to give them much thought. Why didn't the Semenese settle on Caillou? That's the cursed failure continent.
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Oxxidation posted:some of the game's highest points are when you and kim encounter some palooka so hapless that the two of you can successfully ping-pong them between your respective styles of wit
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I snipped and copied Joyce's conversation about the world directly from the game this time. That wiki snippet I used earlier was only a small part a crappy copy of the text by hand. Reading this again I now think the world of DE is actually the inside of a disco ball. Viewing the world from the inside --sideways...
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though if i had to say, besides the actual ending, the karaoke sequence is probably my favorite part
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Maya Fey posted:though if i had to say, besides the actual ending, the karaoke sequence is probably my favorite part Someone didn't flee from Garte.
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Got drunk and aggressive, broke a stuffed bird - ashamed to look people in the eye. ASHAMED.
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Xander77 posted:Got drunk and aggressive, broke a stuffed bird - ashamed to look people in the eye. Is that what it says? Neat!
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Inspector Gesicht posted:Given the tight scope I don't know how they could mesh DLC into the game. A sequel is more obvious though they would need a protagonist who is completely and utterly different from Harry to keep it fresh. Do you want to find the Cocaine Skull, or not?
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Dorstein posted:Do you want to find the Cocaine Skull, or not? Or tell the cryptologists about your new special friend?
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Maya Fey posted:though if i had to say, besides the actual ending, the karaoke sequence is probably my favorite part i put on all the drama boosting clothes before i did that and it was the biggest gaming mistake ive made in my life
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Oxxidation posted:the successful check is better It's this, the failure isn't without its charm (and I can see why some people prefer it) but the success is just perfect for the context. Regardless of personal preference, I can see why the devs picked each voice for success/failure.
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Oxxidation posted:the successful check is better Wrong.gif
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Maya Fey posted:that part was so sick hell loving yea edit: god drat it after playing this again I can't express the satisfaction it gives that after Harry walks the desert, Kim goes and "this motherfucker right here is one hell of a detective, unbreakable case-solver, vacholiére hero" motion to make Harry and Kim ACAB-exempt dead gay comedy forums fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Dec 18, 2019 |
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One of the things that really gets me about DE is how natural the writing feels. It's extremely well written, and that much is known, but nothing about it stands out as some kind of extraordinary attempt to turn gaming on its head with regard to its prose. It simply does. Compare to something like Planescape, which is also well written, but completely over the top with outlandish fantasy elements, where DE just focuses on what makes people complex, and does so very well. Every character I met in this game, I wanted to know more about.
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dead gay comedy forums posted:hell loving yea Oh hell yeah. I did 4/4/1/3, and Kim's speech at the end was like, "Yeah, he's a bit unorthodox, and I was put off at first, but the guy is a human can opener. He can get anyone to talk to him. And he just doesn't quit. I didn't see him take a day off the entire time we were working together, and he hasn't had a single drink in that time." It was very  for my trying-to-turn-this-around Harry.
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Kim said that it was unbecoming of a cop to apologize so much, and I was sorry to hear that.
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I was very surprised how much I ended up liking and trusting Joyce by the end. I was all ready to hate her guts but she ends up being one of the most interesting characters in the game. I hope we get to see more of her in the future. The world of Disco Elysium is terrifying and amazing and I want to see more of it. I can't wait for what the devs have planned next.
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Talorat posted:I was very surprised how much I ended up liking and trusting Joyce by the end. I was all ready to hate her guts but she ends up being one of the most interesting characters in the game. I hope we get to see more of her in the future. You can really tell how much the devs hate centrism though because Sunday Friend has none of that. Accordion Man fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Dec 19, 2019 |
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Accordion Man posted:Both Joyce and Evrart are pretty fleshed out and nuanced, Joyce is a corporate lackey but she isn't a mindless sycophant and Evrart is shady but he is a genuine true believer in socialism. Joyce is an Ultra and all but she actually does make her stand on a genuine moral principle when the chips are down. Joyce may not believe in the right things in all places, but she certainly believes in something and has thought quite a bit about it. She doesn't really try to hide behind anything or position herself as a genius 'above it all' type or anything like Sunday Friend.
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I feel like this game came out at just the right time for a large number of people. Like they really tapped into the zeitgeist. The fact that so many Americans and other people are digging this game written by Eastern Europeans says something. I'm not sure what, but something.
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Animal-Mother posted:I feel like this game came out at just the right time for a large number of people. Like they really tapped into the zeitgeist. The fact that so many Americans and other people are digging this game written by Eastern Europeans says something. I'm not sure what, but something.
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Accordion Man posted:Both Joyce and Evrart are pretty fleshed out and nuanced, Joyce is a corporate lackey but she isn't a mindless sycophant and Evrart is shady but he is a genuine true believer in socialism. that's because they portrayed very well the moralist attitude you can easily put any major figure of the European Central Bank in the shoes of the Sunday Friend and would fit like 
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With regard to tapping into the zeitgeist, was it in this thread that someone mentioned how the game taps into the idea of 'a future that never was"? I think it was related to the writings of Mark Fisher? The post felt very profound, but I dont remember the details sadly : (
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