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persopolis posted:With regard to tapping into the zeitgeist, was it in this thread that someone mentioned how the game taps into the idea of 'a future that never was"? I think it was related to the writings of Mark Fisher? The post felt very profound, but I dont remember the details sadly : ( here ya go dead gay comedy forums posted:I will repeat whenever needed: it takes true-hearted communist leaning - actually lets go with straight up belief here - to do such a savage take on its failure like this game did. Outside literature, very few pieces of media in general have tried to artistically cope with the collapse of the Revolution, and Disco absolutely delivers on it.
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something like over 50 percent of Russians regret the loss of the soviet union. Not sure about Ukraine who finally has its own country or the breakaways. So the Russians have a nostalgia for the soviet union. That’s the short version. Yet communism was not crushed it did quite the opposite. China is still officially communist as well. quote:If we add to this list the deaths caused by communist regimes that the Soviet Union created and supported—including those in Eastern Europe, China, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam and Cambodia—the total number of victims is closer to 100 million. That makes communism the greatest catastrophe in human history. The real loss are these people not a failed state.
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DropsySufferer posted:Faaaaaaarrrrrttt Are you our lucky fascist
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God in heaven we got a clown in here quoting that TPUSA 100 million deaths figure that includes, among many other things, the Nazis killed in world war II and the difference in birthrate between the USSR and western nations Astounding. Did you fail an encyclopedia check or something?
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Stalin’s regime murdered a mountain of people. Mao’s did as well is there disagreement here? I’m a socialist there’s your realistic middle ground. Communism always fails but yeah keep banging your head on that wall.
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abort abort, stop this line of argument
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DropsySufferer posted:So the Russians have a nostalgia for the soviet union. That’s the short version. That's not necessarily anything to do with idealism. The USSR was a superpower. Russia is a nationalistic place. It could just be people wishing for the glory of the old days
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Has anybody counted how many people capitalism has killed or is that sort of thing outright dismissed as a nonsensical question that insults our dominant ideology?
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7 billion
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Fangz posted:abort abort, stop this line of argument Rhetoric: [Easy: Failure] You can’t let this pass unchallenged! Someone is wrong on the Internet!
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skeleton warrior posted:Rhetoric: [Easy: Failure] You can’t let this pass unchallenged! Someone is wrong on the Internet! I would argue that’s a failed composure check 
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Animal-Mother posted:Has anybody counted how many people capitalism has killed or is that sort of thing outright dismissed as a nonsensical question that insults our dominant ideology? Soviet factory worker dies in industrial accident: Victim of communism American factory worker dies after being declined medical care by insurance company: They should have worked harder Also don't take the bait from the latest reactionary shithead spewing Nazi propaganda
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DropsySufferer posted:Communism always fails but yeah keep banging your head on that wall Rhetoric[Challenging: Success] - here we, here we, here we loving go Volition[Godly: Success] - you know, we can stop it here, but if you wanna do some praxis, we are all in Empathy[Hard: Success] - to be quite frank, communism is a heartbreaking subject, so... Reaction Speed[Challenging: Failure] - HEY BOOKGUY! THROW SOME COMPARATIVE STATISTICS! Rhetoric[Easy: Success] - NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Don't. Suggestion[Easy: Success] - Don't.
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cuntman.net posted:7 billion 
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I've started a second playthrough where I'm being the biggest fuckup and bad guy I can be but I just can't bring myself to be mean to Kim
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Accordion Man posted:Both Joyce and Evrart are pretty fleshed out and nuanced, Joyce is a corporate lackey but she isn't a mindless sycophant and Evrart is shady but he is a genuine true believer in socialism. Yeah but Evrart is so scummy and his VA is so smarmy that he just comes across as slimy. It's hilariously on the nose the way a Union leader is a mobster scumbag and so fat and lazy that he has his minions carry him around like a modern emperor, so all his overtures about socialism feel more like lip service and a filthy politician pulling a fast one on people than a guy who genuinely cares about anything other than himself and getting what he wants. Joyce is far more personable and relatable. It really sucks because I'm playing a Socialist on my first playthrough but I really don't want to help Evrart because he's a loving manipulative scumbag. Fuzz fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Dec 19, 2019 |
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You cant play a socialist. You can play a communist. They never really show the difference but for example Measurehead is not a communist even though he is very much involved in union work. The social democracy in Disco Elysium is very ideologically social democracy which is basically union control of work places. Once the unions control the workplaces they can start to also get involved in society which in the case of Disco Elysium is real estate and crushing the previous drug dealers and setting up their own scheme which they say is without violence or turf wars. The profit hopefully going to honest working people instead of evil tyrants. Contrast this with the area our cop comes from where he is hunted by a mafioso. Communism in this game is showed as a sort of intelligencia anarchy and failed popular revolution, while the active socialism of the union is more of a labourers power and ownership movement. Buller fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Dec 19, 2019 |
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Fuzz posted:Yeah but Evrart is so scummy and his VA is so smarmy that he just comes across as slimy. It's hilariously on the nose the way a Union leader is a mobster scumbag and so fat and lazy that he has his minions carry him around like a modern emperor, so all his overtures about socialism feel more like lip service and a filthy politician pulling a fast one on people than a guy who genuinely cares about anything other than himself and getting what he wants. Joyce is far more personable and relatable. it may be productive to ask yourself who he's actually manipulating, and how
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Evrart is a champion of the workers' movement. He is the knight to whom I have pledged fealty.
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Mr Evrart is helping me find my gun
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No Mods No Masters posted:Mr Evrart is helping me find my gun
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No Mods No Masters posted:Mr Evrart is helping me find my gun
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Ah great, now I have to reset the thread.
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No Mods No Masters posted:Mr Evrart is helping me find my gun you know what they say about political power and guns
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No Mods No Masters posted:Mr Evrart is helping me find my gun
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So I just picked this up and some things are just not clicking with me. why do I have parts of my brain talking to me? Why do I need to keep finding ways to not vomit while investigating a dead body? It feels off to a slow start, am I just dumb? Please, I love the idea of this game but feel like I'm missing something.
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Thats just the tutorial bro
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Elblanco posted:So I just picked this up and some things are just not clicking with me. why do I have parts of my brain talking to me? Why do I need to keep finding ways to not vomit while investigating a dead body? It feels off to a slow start, am I just dumb? Please, I love the idea of this game but feel like I'm missing something. Think of it as being like the Malkavian from VTM: Bloodlines, but without the combat. The voices in your head are all offering advice, but their advice is not always good so you should still use your own judgement. The game itself is very open so if you feel like things aren’t progressing in the case, feel free to wander around and talk to other people. There’s usually always something else for you to do if you get stuck on something and very little in the game is time sensitive (the journal will indicate when something is by putting a little clock icon next to it).
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Elblanco posted:So I just picked this up and some things are just not clicking with me. why do I have parts of my brain talking to me? Why do I need to keep finding ways to not vomit while investigating a dead body? It feels off to a slow start, am I just dumb? Please, I love the idea of this game but feel like I'm missing something. It starts off very slow imo, I struggled to get a feel for it until about the second day and I began enjoying it a helluva lot from there. Stick with it, it'll be worth it.
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Elblanco posted:So I just picked this up and some things are just not clicking with me. why do I have parts of my brain talking to me? Why do I need to keep finding ways to not vomit while investigating a dead body? It feels off to a slow start, am I just dumb? Please, I love the idea of this game but feel like I'm missing something. Keep in mind that there are some checks you are supposed to fail. Failing a check often progresses the story, too, just in a different way. I would not recommend going through this game with a mindset that you need to find a way to pass every check.
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Fuzz posted:Yeah but Evrart is so scummy and his VA is so smarmy that he just comes across as slimy. It's hilariously on the nose the way a Union leader is a mobster scumbag and so fat and lazy that he has his minions carry him around like a modern emperor, so all his overtures about socialism feel more like lip service and a filthy politician pulling a fast one on people than a guy who genuinely cares about anything other than himself and getting what he wants. Joyce is far more personable and relatable. I felt like Evrart started to come across as a more genuine believer as I did more work for him, but he always remains the slimiest man.
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Phoix posted:I felt like Evrart started to come across as a more genuine believer as I did more work for him, but he always remains the slimiest man.
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Elblanco posted:why do I have parts of my brain talking to me? Because you are a good and completely normal-brained human being: each of your skills has its own voice and personality, as is true with all completely normal people. As you level up those skills, they'll become more assertive and offer their wise counsel more frequently, which can open up checks and dialogue options associated with that skill. Elblanco posted:Why do I need to keep finding ways to not vomit while investigating a dead body? It feels off to a slow start, am I just dumb? Please, I love the idea of this game but feel like I'm missing something. The corpse has been hanging for a week and is really smelly. Fortunately, it's a white check, so you need merely step back and level the skill to get in there and *DETECT* (drugs might help, too). If that doesn't work, Kim will tell you to get your poo poo together. Once you've followed through the thought tutorial to compress your poo poo, the check becomes much easier. Every check that is required to advance the story is white, and can be repeated and made easier through drugs, leveling up, and faffing about with other things that directly or indirectly contribute. Failing that, just explore and chat with people: very frequently *alternatives* pop up.
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BurntCornMuffin posted:Because you are a good and completely normal-brained human being: each of your skills has its own voice and personality, as is true with all completely normal people. As you level up those skills, they'll become more assertive and offer their wise counsel more frequently, which can open up checks and dialogue options associated with that skill. You can also just get the ammonia from the gardener, which should give you plenty of bonus to your check.
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ConfusedPig posted:I would argue that’s a failed composure check Yep, I was working the night shift until 2am which I normally don't do. Not a good time to be posting. Composure [Critical:Failure] - Why aren't we asleep yet?! Volition [Critical :Failure] - What the hell are you doing? Never argue politics on the internet and especially not SA. Half-light [Success] - You're passing out, you won't care about this in the morning. You need to engage in a political debate online right now. ANYWAY With Evrart I was curious about the brother.
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Elblanco posted:So I just picked this up and some things are just not clicking with me. why do I have parts of my brain talking to me? Why do I need to keep finding ways to not vomit while investigating a dead body? It feels off to a slow start, am I just dumb? Please, I love the idea of this game but feel like I'm missing something. If you're not immediately sucked in by the first few moments of the game, unsure what to say. It almost sounds like you weren't entirely sure what kind of game this is?
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Warmachine posted:You can also just get the ammonia from the gardener, which should give you plenty of bonus to your check. OR talk to Cuno about it, and if you play your cards right, his wise counsel will give a bonus, allowing you to try it again as well
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chaosapiant posted:If you're not immediately sucked in by the first few moments of the game, unsure what to say. It almost sounds like you weren't entirely sure what kind of game this is? i mean it might take a little bit for the story to grab you but yeah the game remains fundamentally the same. its all about reading and choosing dialogue options. if thats the part that is bothering this might be the wrong game for you
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babypolis posted:i mean it might take a little bit for the story to grab you but yeah the game remains fundamentally the same. its all about reading and choosing dialogue options. if thats the part that is bothering this might be the wrong game for you No, I just felt like I was missing something, especially now that I've failed to inspect the corpse 4 times now. I'm getting a better feel for it now and I've been following other leads and I'm getting sucked into the world now. Just gotta find my loving gun.
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