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SelenicMartian posted:What, did they breakdance? They kissed.
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Mooey Cow posted:Ah yes, the movie where literally no one is afraid of the *checks notes* literal horror movie monster, not even the guy that gets magically choked by him, and where he spends most of the time talking to an old British dude, barely manages to kill another old British dude after he gives up, then gets sent flying out into space while shouting "WHAT". Hmm yeah, ANH Darth Vader is one of the most intimidating characters in cinematic history, but I guess he just sucks and no one is scared of him in a movie where his mere presence chills the gently caress out of everyone in the room whenever he appears onscreen. 
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Dec 19, 2019 23:30
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You’re thinking of ESB. ANH Vader is a henchman. A point is made of how his allies don’t fear him, even if maybe they should. It’s ESB where he permanently steals the show and everyone is constantly cringing away from him and scurrying to do his bidding.
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Dec 19, 2019 23:32
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Cough Drop The Beat posted:"Gratuitous pandering" is meaningless over-the-top action and other elements in a movie purely to grab fanboy/fangirl attention, like what AotC does with 10 billion Jedi pointlessly wielding lightsabers or TFA with pretty much any of the Millennium Falcon scenes. They don't add much of anything to the movie besides eye candy (and even that is probably false with AotC) and are there to sell tickets with cool trailer cuts. While Rogue One is the exact opposite with Vader. His scenes absolutely have a strong purpose in expanding on Vader's mystique and complimenting his iconic mythology from the OT, ANH especially. What you described pandering as is exactly how I'd describe Vader's apperance in Rogue One. And the reason so many fans like it. I'm even willing to bet that all the Vader stuff in Rogue One is reshoots in order to shove another thing that people recognize in there. He has no interaction with any of the main characters and next to no bearing on the plot except as a cameo, wink and 'nerdgasm' moment when he's Jason and murders the Rebels, gently caress yeah...
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Dec 19, 2019 23:35
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skasion posted:You’re thinking of ESB. ANH Vader is a henchman. A point is made of how his allies don’t fear him, even if maybe they should. It’s ESB where he permanently steals the show and everyone is constantly cringing away from him and scurrying to do his bidding. Yet all this is communicated without him ever being loving Jason. Except for the fight with Luke he rarely exerts himself and lets his underlings do the dirty work. This makes him scarier and a better villain and shows restraint (which no doubt comes from the limitations of the costume in part, same as the lightsabers seeing limited use because of at the time more expensive and less seamless effects) on the part of the filmmakers, which works to the movie's benefit.
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Dec 19, 2019 23:40
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Randarkman posted:Yet all this is communicated without him ever being loving Jason. Except for the fight with Luke he rarely exerts himself and lets his underlings do the dirty work. This makes him scarier and a better villain and shows restraint (which no doubt comes from the limitations of the costume in part, same as the lightsabers seeing limited use because of at the time more expensive and less seamless effects) on the part of the filmmakers, which works to the movie's benefit. Yeah IIRC Vader kills only two guys in ESB, both on his own team
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Dec 19, 2019 23:44
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Randarkman posted:He has no interaction with any of the main characters and next to no bearing on the plot except as a cameo I mean he doesn't interact with any of the heroes, but he does interact with Krennic, who I'd say is among the main characters. And it's their conversation at the castle, specifically Vader's insistence that Krennic must be able to give assurances that the Death Star has not been compromised, that directly leads to Krennic going to Scarif. So he does have bearing on the plot.
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Dec 19, 2019 23:45
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:"Vader strikes mortal fear into all and sundry" isn't really that accurate. Some manlet moff sasses him in front of everybody in ANH and Tarkin's more exasperated than anything when Vader retaliates. He's just muscle and while there's value to showing muscle acting muscular, people aren't wrong to describe the Rogue One sequence as kinda masturbatory That random guy who sasses Vader has got to be one of my favorite screen performances ever. "Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways, Lord Vader. Your sad devotion to that ancient religion has not helped you conjure up the stolen data tapes, or given you clairvoyance enough to find the Rebels' hidden fort..." You can tell that actor had a freakin' ball playing someone that amazingly arrogant. It actually helps sell the Vader force-choke because gawd, who wouldn't want to choke someone like that?
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Dec 19, 2019 23:46
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Chomp8645 posted:I mean he doesn't interact with any of the heroes, but he does interact with Krennic, who I'd say is among the main characters. And it's their conversation at the castle, specifically Vader's insistence that Krennic must be able to give assurances that the Death Star has not been compromised, that directly leads to Krennic going to Scarif. So he does have bearing on the plot. That's Vader interacting with one actor on a green screen set, I guarantee you that was a reshoot.
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Dec 19, 2019 23:49
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SidneyIsTheKiller posted:That random guy who sasses Vader has got to be one of my favorite screen performances ever. But in all fairness it was a accurate complaint given how incompetent the Empire seems to be in all the movies like their supposedly best Legion getting clowned on by cannibal midgets.
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Dec 19, 2019 23:50
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SidneyIsTheKiller posted:That random guy who sasses Vader has got to be one of my favorite screen performances ever. The conference scene in ANH is probably my favorite single scene in the entire series.
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Dec 19, 2019 23:50
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SidneyIsTheKiller posted:That random guy who sasses Vader has got to be one of my favorite screen performances ever. I always wondered if it wasn't a winking meta-commentary joke that the guy gets choked off from name checking the Kurasawa flick that inspired a huge amount of the screenplay.
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Dec 19, 2019 23:51
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Randarkman posted:That's Vader interacting with one actor on a green screen set, I guarantee you that was a reshoot. Ok that's a good point, it easily could be.
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Dec 19, 2019 23:52
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When you think of it Vader is basically the Sci Fi version of a insufferable weeboo. Of the glory of authentic and superior Jedi culture.
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Dec 19, 2019 23:52
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Randarkman posted:I'm even willing to bet that all the Vader stuff in Rogue One is reshoots in order to shove another thing that people recognize in there. He has no interaction with any of the main characters and next to no bearing on the plot except as a cameo, wink and 'nerdgasm' moment when he's Jason and murders the Rebels, gently caress yeah... Maybe it was a reshoot, but who cares? It's great material. Feels like you didn't even pay attention to the movie because Vader interacts directly with Director Krennic several times, who is the main villain of the movie. Of course he has no interactions with the main Rebel cast because now that would be loving stupid gratuitous pandering. Why in the heck would Vader bother with a band of random no-name Rebels who he could vaporize without thinking? You have very bad ideas and I'm glad you didn't write or film Rogue One. Cough Drop The Beat fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Dec 19, 2019 |
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Randarkman posted:The conference scene in ANH is probably my favorite single scene in the entire series. Tarkin's incredulously  when Vader starts choking the guy is loving perfect.
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Dec 19, 2019 23:54
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Cough Drop The Beat posted:Maybe it was a reshoot, but who cares? It's great material. But a post like this feel like you didn't even pay attention the movie because Vader interacts directly with Director Krennic several times, who is the main villain of the movie. Of course he has no interactions with the main Rebel cast because now that would be loving stupid gratuitous pandering. Why in the heck would Vader bother with a band of random no-name Rebels who he could vaporize without thinking? You have very bad ideas and I'm glad you didn't write or film Rogue One. I have the best idea for Rogue One, it shouldn't have been made.
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Dec 19, 2019 23:55
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SidneyIsTheKiller posted:That random guy who sasses Vader has got to be one of my favorite screen performances ever. Haha, yup. The admiral meeting in ANH is probably my favorite Star Wars scene and the OT is full of incredibly great scenes on that level. Cough Drop The Beat fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Dec 20, 2019 |
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Dec 19, 2019 23:55
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So I heard rumours that the rise of skywalker is actually really bad, can anyone confirm?
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Cough Drop The Beat posted:Haha, yup. The admiral meeting in ANH is probably favorite Star Wars scene and the OT is full of incredibly great scenes on that level. It's exactly the kind of nice punchy world-building scene that the sequel trilogy needed more of. A few cast off lines about the emperor dissolving the senate and exercising dictatorship through governors like Tarkin helps loosely sketch in the world this story is taking place in. It's just the right amount, not the "galactic C-Span" of the PT, or the ST that really doesn't seem to care about providing much of a context for how the FO, Republic, and Resistance relate at all.
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Dec 20, 2019 00:00
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Drone_Fragger posted:So I heard rumours that the rise of skywalker is actually really bad, can anyone confirm? Well Kylo tells Rey he is going to turn her to the darkside and then in the next scene with him he tries to run her over? So yeah, confirmed.
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Dec 20, 2019 00:03
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An Ounce of Gold posted:Well Kylo tells Rey he is going to turn her to the darkside and then in the next scene with him he tries to run her over? Hey imagine how easy it would be to turn someone if they're stuck in a body cast and you can just hoot threatening sith nonsense at them for weeks?
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Dec 20, 2019 00:04
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Cough Drop The Beat posted:Haha, yup. The admiral meeting in ANH is probably favorite Star Wars scene and the OT is full of incredibly great scenes on that level. Sydin posted:Tarkin's incredulously Owlbear Camus posted:I always wondered if it wasn't a winking meta-commentary joke that the guy gets choked off from name checking the Kurasawa flick that inspired a huge amount of the screenplay. Randarkman posted:The conference scene in ANH is probably my favorite single scene in the entire series. Adding to all this: the guy does a great job of pretending to be choked. I should go look up that actor's name. He deserves that much, at least. etalian posted:But in all fairness it was a accurate complaint given how incompetent the Empire seems to be in all the movies like their supposedly best Legion getting clowned on by cannibal midgets. The fact that he's right just makes it all the sweeter. The way Vader steps forward to approach him like he's thinking, oh, you motherfucker tells how he's actually stung by being called out like this. Edit: Oh, hell, let's all just watch it again together: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnNSnJbjdws Star Wars was really loving good back in the day, boys.
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Dec 20, 2019 00:09
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Owlbear Camus posted:Hey imagine how easy it would be to turn someone if they're stuck in a body cast and you can just hoot threatening sith nonsense at them for weeks? Makes sense! C3P0 has to have his memory wiped... Why don't they just loving back up his memory? drat, no extra SSDs sitting around? The little Droid dude is how big Snoke should have been.
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An Ounce of Gold posted:Well Kylo tells Rey he is going to turn her to the darkside and then in the next scene with him he tries to run her over? He later tells her that was just a test, ugh pay attention to the important dialogue!
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Dec 20, 2019 00:14
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Just Chamber posted:He later tells her that was just a test, ugh pay attention to the important dialogue! I just got to that part. It seems stupid though...
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Dec 20, 2019 00:19
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Watching all these British Imperial guys reminds me that Rey being British does actually make for some nifty retrograde foreshadowing, heh heh.
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Dec 20, 2019 00:21
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An Ounce of Gold posted:C3P0 has to have his memory wiped... Why don't they just loving back up his memory? Because it's all nonsense put together by a hack, OP. Hope this helps.
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An Ounce of Gold posted:Well Kylo tells Rey he is going to turn her to the darkside and then in the next scene with him he tries to run her over? ROS should have just been entirely about Kylo Ren's wacky attempts to chase down Rey and turn her to the Dark Side, like a Sith Wile E Coyote.
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Dec 20, 2019 00:21
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An Ounce of Gold posted:I just got to that part. It seems stupid though... Wait, are you liveposting while watching? Haha, just give us a rundown of the most ridiculous parts in real-time!
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Dec 20, 2019 00:22
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Voting Floater posted:ROS should have just been entirely about Kylo Ren's wacky attempts to chase down Rey and turn her to the Dark Side, like a Sith Wile E Coyote. "I needed to test you. That is why I left the bird seed in the middle of the road and aimed the catapult at you." SidneyIsTheKiller posted:Wait, are you liveposting while watching? Haha, just give us a rundown of the most ridiculous parts in real-time! I think it would be easier to post the things I've liked: 1. The little droid guy. 2.... An Ounce of Gold fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Dec 20, 2019 |
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I needed to test you, I needed to see if you could do a sick flip over my Tie Fighter, it was so loving dope.
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SidneyIsTheKiller posted:Watching all these British Imperial guys reminds me that Rey being British does actually make for some nifty retrograde foreshadowing, heh heh. The guy Vader chokes is American though. Subsequent popular culture has overplayed the Britishness of the Imperials, which probably was mostly the result of where the films were primarily shot.
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SidneyIsTheKiller posted:That random guy who sasses Vader has got to be one of my favorite screen performances ever. It's a loving great scene in every respect but yeah that guy is the lynchpin Randarkman posted:The conference scene in ANH is probably my favorite single scene in the entire series.  ANH loving ripsIt gets across a crazy amount of exposition and characterization in an insanely short time while also being engaging dramatically with conflicting motivations and reversals of fortune, all in just two minutes. Like imagine if they'd bothered to do anything half as effective as this one scene in TFA to explain the relationship between the Resistance and the First Order. People would have actually been able to figure out what was loving happening
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Dec 20, 2019 00:26
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what if disney had got spielberg to direct these?
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Randarkman posted:The guy Vader chokes is American though. Subsequent popular culture has overplayed the Britishness of the Imperials, which probably was mostly the result of where the films were primarily shot. Ah, but he's an American trying to sound British, though, with that hoity-toity Frasier mid-Atlantic accent. The Empire is so British even its Americans get British-ish.
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Dec 20, 2019 00:33
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Mozi posted:what if disney had got spielberg to direct these? Current Spielberg and JJ are about the same level of shlock. So not much different?
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Dec 20, 2019 00:33
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Randarkman posted:The guy Vader chokes is American though. Subsequent popular culture has overplayed the Britishness of the Imperials, which probably was mostly the result of where the films were primarily shot. But it also adds a nice class divide that if intentional would have been cool. The officers coming from high class affluent society, the Stormtroopers drafted from backwater planets. Though you'd need some cockney Stormtroopers to help that narrative. Though the British believing Americans are their lessers isn't exactly inaccurate.
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Probably better even assuming JJ ~ modern spielberg, since spielberg would be more resistant to studio bullying (but this is also the reason why it would never be on the table)
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SidneyIsTheKiller posted:Ah, but he's an American trying to sound British, though, with that hoity-toity Frasier mid-Atlantic accent. The Empire is so British even its Americans get British-ish. Thinking about it. Doesn't he kind of look like Frasier?
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