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Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Hav posted:

Crowdfunding. As long as they don’t call it a subscription, they’ll be fine.

Crowdfunding requires them to keep releasing ships. Nobody will keep spending on crowdfunding without the JPGs to drive it.

See previous conversation about how they won't be able to afford to maintain development.

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monkeytek
Jun 8, 2010

It wasn't an ELE that wiped out the backer funds. It was Tristan Timothy Taylor.

Sabreseven posted:

The easiest answer to any questions regarding ship sales and pricing after release is:

They are not planning to ever release SC at all, it would be the dumbest move in a history of really dumb moves and they know this.

Releasing would require:

1) Servers, which obviously are massively expensive to rent or own due to constant maintenance/upkeep costs.
2) A marketing drive that changes the broad public perception, the longer they delay the harder and more expensive this will be.
3) A game, given that it has thus far taken just shy of 8 years to get as far as they have and with adding complexity as they go which acts as an overall multiplier for time to be taken, this is just not feasable.

That's just three things that spring to mind, there are countless others. So no, they will never stop selling ships and they would be batshit crazy to release anything other than hype, bits of half arsed archered bf2142 demo, and carrots on string to keep squeezing the whales. They zigzag through dev bouncing between items with no real plan other than "Convince the backers we are doing something, no it doesn't have to be in the game, just make it look like it should be".

Here is a question that I've been thinking about.

How many concurrent 50 man instances actually exist currently?

From the few times I've played its almost always the same players so not sure if I am keyed to one server or there just aren't that many players.

Sabreseven
Feb 27, 2016

monkeytek posted:

Here is a question that I've been thinking about.

How many concurrent 50 man instances actually exist currently?

From the few times I've played its almost always the same players so not sure if I am keyed to one server or there just aren't that many players.

There was a graph somewhere that showed the concurrant users for all game modes over the course of a year, someone in the thread probably knows where it is found but from my own memory the numbers were stupidly low to the point where around 50 seperate instances would be massive overkill.

Hopefully someone will dig it out as it would definitely be interesting. :)

Quavers
Feb 26, 2016

You clearly don't understand game development

:boom:

Quavers
Feb 26, 2016

You clearly don't understand game development
Ahmed@Ahmed-CIG 6:08 pm

we are aware of the awful server crash you guys are hitting and we have a fix for it but it's not in this build.

Ahmed@Ahmed-CIG 6:09 pm

We will try to publish a build as soon as we can with this fix. we appreciate your patience as we iterate quickly on the PTU.


:trustme: it's broke, SSOCS didn't fix anything, pledge more!

:laffo:

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

AntherUslessPoster posted:

I know at least ten people personally who in case of proper game release and delivery of at least half of the promised features and functions will throw monies at CIG, buying at least two carriers and quite some ships.
And they are not alone, I guess.

But CIG also said they will stop selling ships for real money when they release the game.

But i'm pretty sure they will use the "what is release anyway?" BS to avoid doing a hard release, therefore continue to sell ships.

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
In other news, the SC sub mods followed through on my request for a permaban. Never again shall i touch the poo.

If SC ever releases and its good and i get into it, i shall start my own SC sub, with blackjack and hookers.

TheDeadlyShoe
Feb 14, 2014

Agony Aunt posted:

But CIG also said they will stop selling ships for real money when they release the game.

But i'm pretty sure they will use the "what is release anyway?" BS to avoid doing a hard release, therefore continue to sell ships.

They'll absolve themselves of the mistake of making that promise

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

Agony Aunt posted:

But CIG also said they will stop selling ships for real money when they release the game.

I'm 100% sure they'll go back on that because how else are they gonna make money

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
well, someone finally beat star citizen to star citizen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJ9nKHPMGhc

G0RF
Mar 19, 2015

Some galactic defender you are, Space Cadet.

Hav posted:

...although I do like a ‘slowly dawning realization’ as an aperitif.

:lol::lol:

Time_pants
Jun 25, 2012

Now sauntering to the ring, please welcome the lackadaisical style of the man who is always doing something...

GhostDog posted:

I think once the Laterally Integrated Gaussian Master Architecture is coupled with Boundary Attached Low Level States everything will come together.

The fidelity of this post is stunning.

Spiderdrake
May 12, 2001



Agony Aunt posted:

If SC ever releases and its good and i get into it, i shall start my own SC sub, with blackjack and hookers.
The part where you say stuff like this makes me wonder if you've suffered, like, multiple concussions. You've been reading this thread for years. Why do you think that's possible? At all?

This game isn't coming out. It doesn't want to and it doesn't know how.

And no I'm not counting the "minimum viable product" they'll panic poo poo out.

Also good to hear you're away from the poop. That's good for you.

Asmodai_00
Nov 26, 2007

Time_pants posted:

The fidelity of this post is stunning.

holy poo poo I wouldn't have caught it if you hadn't said anything

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Spiderdrake posted:

The part where you say stuff like this makes me wonder if you've suffered, like, multiple concussions. You've been reading this thread for years. Why do you think that's possible? At all?

This game isn't coming out. It doesn't want to and it doesn't know how.

And no I'm not counting the "minimum viable product" they'll panic poo poo out.

Also good to hear you're away from the poop. That's good for you.

Well, i am pretty convinced something will get "released" eventually. And on that day, CIG will hail their broken partially completed game as the best drat space sim ever and the backers will do victory laps and buy more JPGs, while the rest of the world shakes their heads and gets on with playing quality games.

One in the Bum
Apr 25, 2014

Hair Elf
If a thing called release ever happens, be it an MVP or otherwise, I'm absolutely sure the following will be true:
- they will continue selling ships for $$$, they can say it's too fund the ongoing development. what is release anyways?
- they will sell game currency. Likely there's will be a very high cap so that whales can still whale but ci!g keep their promise that technically there's a limit.
- there will be seen optionally subscription, but everything worthwhile will be paywalled. Effectively making it a required subscription.
- there will be a cash shop with many p2win doodads.
- still no BMM
- chris wears black

Pixelate
Jan 6, 2018

"You win by having fun"
Merry Xmas Goons xx

tuo
Jun 17, 2016

Whenever I see that pic (or the original pic from CIG), it baffles me that they put a character in t-pose in there. Either leave it out, or place her so the t-pose isn't visible. It's so incredibly lazy.

e: I forgot, originally that was a video, where the t-pose was even more cringy

Pixelate
Jan 6, 2018

"You win by having fun"
It was a thing of wonder



That slow-mo t-pose chop to the knee

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Pixelate posted:

It was a thing of wonder



That slow-mo t-pose chop to the knee

EDIT: Thought it saw it, but then realized it was just dodgy colouring. I don't see the t-pose. Can someone guide my bad eyes?

Dwesa
Jul 19, 2016

Maybe I'll go where I can see stars

Pixelate posted:

It was a thing of wonder



That slow-mo t-pose chop to the knee
Those party hats...

Someone greenlighted this before it was made public.

SelenicMartian
Sep 14, 2013

Sometimes it's not the bomb that's retarded.

Bluelighted.

And maybe archered.

MedicineHut
Feb 25, 2016

Agony Aunt posted:

In other news, the SC sub mods followed through on my request for a permaban. Never again shall i touch the poo.

If SC ever releases and its good and i get into it, i shall start my own SC sub, with blackjack and hookers.

Haha, no. You and I know you will just make a new :reddit: account just so to touchy the poo!

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

MedicineHut posted:

Haha, no. You and I know you will just make a new :reddit: account just so to touchy the poo!

Never sir. I'm rather monogamous when it comes to accounts.

Also its against reddit's ToS to create a new account to circumnavigate a ban.

Agony Aunt fucked around with this message at 11:18 on Dec 20, 2019

tuo
Jun 17, 2016

Agony Aunt posted:

EDIT: Thought it saw it, but then realized it was just dodgy colouring. I don't see the t-pose. Can someone guide my bad eyes?

It's not the "typical" T-Pose, but take a closer look at the dark haired lady sitting at the right of the table, at the front. The model doesn't seem to be rigged yet, so she's in 50% t-pose and is simply rotated around the z-axis, with stiff arms. Also clips right into Hamill's knee.

e: I also never realized what's going with the neck of the lady two seats behind her...oh my god....

tuo fucked around with this message at 12:25 on Dec 20, 2019

tuo
Jun 17, 2016

Dwesa posted:

Those party hats...

Someone greenlighted this before it was made public.

Reminds me of the first chapter of the OpenGL Redbook

Kosumo
Apr 9, 2016

Agony Aunt posted:

Never sir. I'm rather monogamous when it comes to accounts.

Also its against reddit's ToS to create a new account to circumnavigate a ban.

Why did you have to ask to be banned?

That's weird, don't you have enough self control to just stop posting there? You have given Chris Roberts money haven't you?

Megalobster
Aug 31, 2018

tuo posted:

It's not the "typical" T-Pose, but take a closer look at the dark haired lady sitting at the right of the table, at the front. The model doesn't seem to be rigged yet, so she's in 50% t-pose and is simply rotated around the z-axis, with stiff arms. Also clips right into Hamill's knee.

e: I also never realized what's going with the neck of the lady two seats behind her...oh my god....

It's just fidelitious mo-capping.

Rugganovich
Apr 29, 2017

tuo posted:

The next CD I bought was from some shady guy in Jungbusch, <snip>
I read this and Nutbush City Limits started playing in my head.

Time for this old fella to have a lay down.

Rugganovich
Apr 29, 2017

Hav posted:

Is it really a christmas tane, or merely a tane set at Christmas?

Is there a difference?

Dogeh
Aug 30, 2017

ShitMeter: -------------|- 99%

tuo posted:

It's not the "typical" T-Pose, but take a closer look at the dark haired lady sitting at the right of the table, at the front. The model doesn't seem to be rigged yet, so she's in 50% t-pose and is simply rotated around the z-axis, with stiff arms. Also clips right into Hamill's knee.

e: I also never realized what's going with the neck of the lady two seats behind her...oh my god....

Also 'T-Pose Lady' looks like Mae Demming, famous actress and tickle specialist.

Quavers
Feb 26, 2016

You clearly don't understand game development
:toot: :siren:

https://cloudimperiumgames.com/jobs/uk/barista-wilmslow

78

Barista - Wilmslow

Studio:

Wilmslow / Derby

See all offers

Category:

Services

See all offers

Cloud Imperium Games is looking for a barista to manage, maintain and develop Ellroy’s (our in-house barista counter), providing our team with hot beverages in a friendly welcoming environment. Responsible for the organisation and cleanliness of the section, as well as stock ordering and control. To develop and improve the offering to the team at every opportunity, making Ellroy’s a coveted perk for our team.
Main Duties and Responsibilities

Handle all aspects of Ellroy’s – our in-house Barista counter.

Make and serve a full range of espresso-based coffee from a commercial coffee machine, teas, tisanes, caffeine free drinks and seasonal extras such as smoothies and hot chocolate.

Stock and maintain and ensure the Barista area kept clean and tidy workspace; taking responsibility for all product orders, cleaning cups and loading dish washer etc.

Provide training to colleagues for use with machines, drink preparations and opening/closing procedures.

Review invoices against purchase orders.

There may be additional duties, assisting with the workplace team on any reasonable matters.

Assisting with front of house during busy times and for holiday cover.

There may be additional duties, assisting with the workplace team on any reasonable matters.

Perform any other delegated duties considered appropriate in line with the role.

Experience and skills

Carries a UK Food Hygiene Certificate – Level 2 or higher

Understands every aspect of coffee, from bean to cup

One year of experience in coffee preparation (essential)

Prior experience working within a similar role is desirable

Ability to work to meet deadlines with little or no supervision

Exceptional organisational ability and hygiene diligence

Strong communication skills, both written and verbal

Proactive attitude with flexibility to adapt to changing business needs and seasonal promotions

Reliable

A dedication to quality, always finding ways to improve the offer to the team with attention to detail

Basic Level Experience with Microsoft Office software, in particular Excel, Word and Outlook

Experience with task tracking software such as Jira would be advantageous although training will be provided

Jonny Shiloh
Mar 7, 2019
You 'orrible little man

Quavers posted:

:toot: :siren:

https://cloudimperiumgames.com/jobs/uk/barista-wilmslow

78

Barista - Wilmslow

Studio:

Wilmslow / Derby

See all offers

Category:

Services

See all offers

Cloud Imperium Games is looking for a barista to manage, maintain and develop Ellroy’s (our in-house barista counter), providing our team with hot beverages in a friendly welcoming environment. Responsible for the organisation and cleanliness of the section, as well as stock ordering and control. To develop and improve the offering to the team at every opportunity, making Ellroy’s a coveted perk for our team.
Main Duties and Responsibilities

Handle all aspects of Ellroy’s – our in-house Barista counter.

Make and serve a full range of espresso-based coffee from a commercial coffee machine, teas, tisanes, caffeine free drinks and seasonal extras such as smoothies and hot chocolate.

Stock and maintain and ensure the Barista area kept clean and tidy workspace; taking responsibility for all product orders, cleaning cups and loading dish washer etc.

Provide training to colleagues for use with machines, drink preparations and opening/closing procedures.

Review invoices against purchase orders.

There may be additional duties, assisting with the workplace team on any reasonable matters.

Assisting with front of house during busy times and for holiday cover.

There may be additional duties, assisting with the workplace team on any reasonable matters.

Perform any other delegated duties considered appropriate in line with the role.

Experience and skills

Carries a UK Food Hygiene Certificate – Level 2 or higher

Understands every aspect of coffee, from bean to cup

One year of experience in coffee preparation (essential)

Prior experience working within a similar role is desirable

Ability to work to meet deadlines with little or no supervision

Exceptional organisational ability and hygiene diligence

Strong communication skills, both written and verbal

Proactive attitude with flexibility to adapt to changing business needs and seasonal promotions

Reliable

A dedication to quality, always finding ways to improve the offer to the team with attention to detail

Basic Level Experience with Microsoft Office software, in particular Excel, Word and Outlook

Experience with task tracking software such as Jira would be advantageous although training will be provided

LOL, complicated stuff, being a barista at CIG.

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

What? It's just project/task management software, that's not that hard if you're not the admin of it. This position seems to be managing and operating the coffee bar, not just serving coffee, so I could see that being necessary.

Dooguk
Oct 11, 2016

Pillbug
UK Government vote for Brexit.

Is this good/bad for Star Citizen?

Does anybody care?

TheAgent
Feb 16, 2002

The call is coming from inside Dr. House
Grimey Drawer
I've worked with companies bringing in 5x more than CIG a year and none of them had a loving barista

they had free snacks / lunches / drinks (including alcohol) and whatever, but hiring a FTE to serve espresso is such a "look at me, look at me" move it always makes me laugh

maybe I don't understand break time development

TheAgent
Feb 16, 2002

The call is coming from inside Dr. House
Grimey Drawer

Dooguk posted:

UK Government vote for Brexit.

Is this good/bad for Star Citizen?

Does anybody care?
its going to muck up how they do business with their other entities, especially the one with the magic germans and any non UK citizens they might have on the payroll

besides that it's going to completely and totally gently caress everything up in the UK, from food to taxes to travel to just about every single thing you can imagine

they 100% deserve this poo poo though, so I hope they enjoy

TheAgent
Feb 16, 2002

The call is coming from inside Dr. House
Grimey Drawer
and giving the EU just 11 months to hammer out the "details" is loving insane and a very crobbear view on how things work

Sabreseven
Feb 27, 2016

TheAgent posted:

and giving the EU just 11 months to hammer out the "details" is loving insane and a very crobbear view on how things work

They've had since 2016 to work something out, so much like CI`g it's all a bit hosed.

But, Brits are a tough bunch and will do what we do best, a cup of tea with a nice chocolate digestive to dunk and a strongly worded letter followed by the usual afternoon gathering around the piano and everything will get sorted. :)

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Quavers
Feb 26, 2016

You clearly don't understand game development
:toot: :siren:

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