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Rutibex posted:so killing the emperor is bad and will make him win? but then Rey kills the emperor and he loses. i don't understand No no no. It's the old "stop hitting yourself" loophole. The emperor killed the emperor.
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Knight posted:Everyone's going to judge this differently but I thought Mark Hamill's younger version was fine but Carrie Fisher's was bad. Wife didn't recognize that any part of Carrie Fisher's scenes (young and old) was CGI. I thought they looked OK, Luke was better but you see them for all of 2 seconds so it was hard to tell
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Arc Light posted:No no no. It's the old "stop hitting yourself" loophole. lol this is funny on its own but even funnier that it's the actual explanation also, I could probably gloss over Sheev surviving being thrown down a big shaft (it's happened a bunch of times to other characters), but surviving the actual explosion of the death star stretches even my forgiving imagination. I dunno why they didn't go with "he planned his death and had clones waiting," especially since a) Sheev loving with clones was a major plot point in the prequels and b) they literally show the Snoke tanks to rub your face in the whole "he's loving with cloning" thing. Oh and c) "clones of the emperor" was A Thing in the old EU and they've been pulling poo poo from there into the new canon since the day they made the big change. Snow Cone Capone fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Dec 20, 2019 |
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Dec 20, 2019 19:48
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one thing is clear: at the end of everything, anakin really brought balance to the force
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Dec 20, 2019 19:51
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Broke, new canon: Emperor "Sheev" Palpatine Woke, old canon: 
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Dec 20, 2019 19:54
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Does Palpatine refer to himself as Grampy Palpy? Or how about Grandad Sheev? I just want to main characters to say "oh sheet it's sheev!" when they see him
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Dec 20, 2019 19:54
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Snow Cone Capone posted:Broke, new canon: Emperor "Sheev" Palpatine Boooooooooooooooooooooooooba Fett will be playable in the next star wars battlefront
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Dec 20, 2019 19:56
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the "we had a clone of the emperor waiting but cloning is hard so he's all hosed up and rotted from the dark side" angle would have made sense and been easy to explain. but instead they're just like "don't worry about it"
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Dec 20, 2019 19:59
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:the "we had a clone of the emperor waiting but cloning is hard so he's all hosed up and rotted from the dark side" angle would have made sense and been easy to explain. but instead they're just like "don't worry about it" I like this a lot actually I did think the whole "embedded in a giant robot arm hanging from the ceiling" thing looked pretty cool though, got some GladOS from Portal vibes
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Dec 20, 2019 20:02
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Snow Cone Capone posted:This ties into the earlier "how did the First Order suddenly have enough people to man 10,000 Star Destroyers" thing, in that it's entirely glossed over. I don't think Sheev ever actually mentions that he has his own secret army, just that he was building up the fleet in secret. The whole conceit is that he's been hiding away in the middle of nowhere - someone probably would have noticed a steady influx of people loving off to unknown space over the years. It's even dumber when you think about the whole premise of the film is Kylo Ren, and by extension the rest of the cast, is trying to find Palpatine by tracking down an ancient Sith artifact, but uh, the Emperor is moving around tens of thousands of First Order troops all along. How in the heck would no one in the entire galaxy follow FO ship movements and locate Palpatine in the 30+ years since this has been happening? It's almost less believable than the dude surviving the Death Star explosion.
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Dec 20, 2019 20:08
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:the "we had a clone of the emperor waiting but cloning is hard so he's all hosed up and rotted from the dark side" angle would have made sense and been easy to explain. but instead they're just like "don't worry about it" https://twitter.com/Worthikids/status/1207871672029712390?s=09
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Dec 20, 2019 20:11
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:the "we had a clone of the emperor waiting but cloning is hard so he's all hosed up and rotted from the dark side" angle would have made sense and been easy to explain. but instead they're just like "don't worry about it" nothing about this movie made any sense. just be happy it is over
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Dec 20, 2019 20:12
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Rutibex posted:nothing about this movie made any sense. just be happy it is over New thread title?
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Dec 20, 2019 20:19
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I just realized something that completely went over my head. Anakin knew he was The Chosen One. loving everybody knew he was the Chosen One, destined by prophecy to bring balance to the Force and destroy the Sith. WHY would you tell a teenager, or a kid, however old he would have been, that he was the chosen one? That sense of responsibility and import, not to mention ego, would gently caress your development up. No wonder he went crazy.
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Snow Cone Capone posted:This ties into the earlier "how did the First Order suddenly have enough people to man 10,000 Star Destroyers" thing, in that it's entirely glossed over. I don't think Sheev ever actually mentions that he has his own secret army, just that he was building up the fleet in secret. The whole conceit is that he's been hiding away in the middle of nowhere - someone probably would have noticed a steady influx of people loving off to unknown space over the years. It's entirely glossed over without explanation because there is no explanation that could possibly make any sense. It is a scenario that is inherently nonsensical. Just going "no why" is better than trying to explain it, because any attempt to do so would only make it sound more ridiculous than it already is.
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Rutibex posted:nothing about this movie made any sense. just be happy it is over 
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Dec 20, 2019 20:36
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Cough Drop The Beat posted:It's even dumber when you think about the whole premise of the film is Kylo Ren, and by extension the rest of the cast, is trying to find Palpatine by tracking down an ancient Sith artifact, but uh, the Emperor is moving around tens of thousands of First Order troops all along. How in the heck would no one in the entire galaxy follow FO ship movements and locate Palpatine in the 30+ years since this has been happening? It's almost less believable than the dude surviving the Death Star explosion. Chomp8645 posted:It's entirely glossed over without explanation because there is no explanation that could possibly make any sense. It is a scenario that is inherently nonsensical. Just going "no why" is better than trying to explain it, because any attempt to do so would only make it sound more ridiculous than it already is. one of the new book trilogies explains it in exhaustive detail but the gist is that he'd been planning this since the beginning; the original plan was to blow up Jakku during the final Empire/Republic battle and wipe both factions out and start again, using a fleet/troops he'd been building up in the Unknown Regions since before the fall of the old Republic https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Contingency e: 
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Snow Cone Capone posted:one of the new book trilogies explains it in exhaustive detail but the gist is that he'd been planning this since the beginning; the original plan was to blow up Jakku during the final Empire/Republic battle and wipe both factions out and start again, using a fleet/troops he'd been building up in the Unknown Regions since before the fall of the old Republic Yeah I'm not gonna read that poo poo. From your summary it seems to confirm my assertion that "any explanation they try is worse than 'no why' "
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Dec 20, 2019 20:42
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Chomp8645 posted:Yeah I'm not gonna read that poo poo. From your summary it seems to confirm my assertion that "any explanation they try is worse than 'no why' " Eh, if you can believe the whole "my entire plan across 9 movies was to have you, my granddaughter, kill me and make me immortal" thing, then "also I built a bunch of spaceship factories out in the middle of nowhere 80 years ago and they've been pumping out star destroyers nonstop ever since" isn't that much of a stretch I think. Sheev just did an Early Expand build is all. e: but also loving laffo at a gigantic fleet being entirely dependent on 2 small antennas to get off the ground
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Dec 20, 2019 20:46
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Thats just good ol empire doesnt understand redundancies thing.
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:the "we had a clone of the emperor waiting but cloning is hard so he's all hosed up and rotted from the dark side" angle would have made sense and been easy to explain. but instead they're just like "don't worry about it" maybe. but i sorta suspect that he never "exploded" and that his body was somehow recovered from the death star wreckage(you see in the movie that that part is mostly intact and they kinda kept him "alive" emperor of mankind style by shoving a boom mic up his rear end in a top hat and keeping his rotting body alive for a couple years. i kinda of assume palpy had those fleets being built since the glory days.
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:this was weird. I thought to myself: wait, so she just has to...not kill the emperor to win? that seems pretty easy. just go grab a coffee or something. do literally anything besides killing him. but then she killed him and she won. maybe the win condition changed when he sucked their ghosts out and became MEGA OLD MAN? Yea I think he was so hosed up post death star explosion that he was searching for a new vessel, and my hunch was that it was a trick and once Rey killed him his spirit was going to jump into her and take over. He wouldn't want anyone else to rule in his place and he certainly doesn't give a gently caress about his family. He'd rather destroy the galaxy than let anyone else be in charge imo Once he became younger and strong again he realised Rey wasn't needed now and he could rule on as before.
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a death star in every star destroyer a chicken in every pot this election I'm voting palpatine
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Gologle posted:I just realized something that completely went over my head. Anakin knew he was The Chosen One. loving everybody knew he was the Chosen One, destined by prophecy to bring balance to the Force and destroy the Sith. WHY would you tell a teenager, or a kid, however old he would have been, that he was the chosen one? That sense of responsibility and import, not to mention ego, would gently caress your development up. No wonder he went crazy. It is literally a vital plot point in the Prequels that the Jedi are incompetent.
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Sydin posted:It is literally a vital plot point in the Prequels that the Jedi are incompetent. Mace nodding sagely.gif
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I thought it was Lucas' original intention that Anakin did, in fact, bring balance to the force (by ensuring that the 2 remaining Sith killed off all but 2 remaining Jedi lol) e: that is, the Jedi weren't technically wrong they just went all-in on the optimistic interpretation of the prophecy (because they're dumb and incompetent) e2: did he get powercucked out of Star Wars before or after all the cartoons and stuff came out? I feel like it would make sense that the dozens of apparent Jedi survivors of the purge were someone else's creations. Snow Cone Capone fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Dec 20, 2019 |
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Snow Cone Capone posted:I enjoyed all 3 but I guess I'm a giant dumbass with zero standards or something I enjoyed them all too while watching them and immediately after walking out. But there's A LOT of fridge logic in Star Wars movies, especially these new ones. That's when you realize how stupid they are after the fact. If I could ignore the fridge logic I'd like them. Rogue One and Solo were much better films than any of the films in this new trilogy. All three films could be summed up: The Force Awakens is a dumber version of A New Hope The Last Jedi is much stupider version of Empire Strikes Back The Rise of Skywalker is a total idiotic feeb's version of Return of the Jedi
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Snow Cone Capone posted:one of the new book trilogies explains it in exhaustive detail but the gist is that he'd been planning this since the beginning; the original plan was to blow up Jakku during the final Empire/Republic battle and wipe both factions out and start again, using a fleet/troops he'd been building up in the Unknown Regions since before the fall of the old Republic That's somehow more utterly insipid than what actually happens in the movie from the first paragraph of that Wookiepedia article alone. 
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Cough Drop The Beat posted:That's somehow more utterly insipid than what actually happens in the movie from the first paragraph of that Wookiepedia article alone. Why? I mean I'm not trying to defend the dumb poo poo Star Wars throws at people, but I don't think it's that stupid. He had a plan in place in case he died, and the plan included both rebuilding in secret, as well as a big ol' "gently caress you" to the people that let him die. Seems pretty standard supervillain stuff to me.
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I remember when I first saw The Last Jedi, there was that scene where Rey almost joins forces with Kylo. I remember thinking that if they had the balls to do that it would have been awesome, and she would have made a great villain because she's so powerful, especially when allied with Kylo. But they chickened out and it ended pretty much the same way Empire Strikes Back did. Imagine how cool it would have been if she did become a villain and it was Kylo who wound up turning her to the light side of the force in this new movie. TLJ really screwed the pooch.
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Snow Cone Capone posted:I thought it was Lucas' original intention that Anakin did, in fact, bring balance to the force (by ensuring that the 2 remaining Sith killed off all but 2 remaining Jedi lol) The whole "bring balance to the force" thing never made sense to me. Doesn't balance mean that the light would balance out the dark? So how would completely killing off the Sith so only the light side exists be the balance?
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Gianthogweed posted:The whole "bring balance to the force" thing never made sense to me. Doesn't balance mean that the light would balance out the dark? So how would completely killing off the Sith so only the light side exists be the balance? bc the Jedi were dumbasses and assumed that since their way is the only way, "balancing the force" meant eradicating the dark side for some reason (the reason is they were dumbasses)
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Also if you wanted to hear what Palpatines broadcast to the galaxy was they actually played it in Fortnite as one of the tie ins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vHrQCKaJiQ
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literally a hog posted:Also if you wanted to hear what Palpatines broadcast to the galaxy was they actually played it in Fortnite as one of the tie ins: Ok hiding critical lore in tie-in novels is one thing, but lmao at hiding critical lore in a Fortnite event the future really is now
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Lol why would you not put that in the movie? You could even do the reverse of the revised rotj ending, start by cutting to different planets showing people spooked listenng on their space radios.
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Snow Cone Capone posted:bc the Jedi were dumbasses and assumed that since their way is the only way, "balancing the force" meant eradicating the dark side for some reason (the reason is they were dumbasses) And that's why evil always wins because good is dumb.
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If you're not playing Fortnite at least 8 hours every day you are not the target demographic
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:a death star in every star destroyer lol I though Death Star Destroyers was a joke holy poo poo
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