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punk rebel ecks posted:The Last Jedi was good and I'm sad to hear that the story doesn't follow it. Moreso, the direction The Last Jedi was trying to steer the series in was good and necessary. The Last Jedi was messy and flawed, but burning down the old tired poo poo and taking what still works and pushing forward with it in new ways was a good and necessary idea, but everyone rejected that so Disney went back to safe, boring, predictable, lame. The moment it came out JJ Abrams was doing the third movie, the Star Wars revival was dead. If they'd kept going the way they were, the fans would've come around on it in time, but the blowback was so intense that Disney flinched and pulled back, and now the damage can't be undone. At least Star Wars will make a good TV franchise for Disney+.
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The way that The Last Jedi wanted to do away with Star Wars convention and forge a completely new path, was good. Where they went wrong was every other part of the movie being bad.
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Dec 21, 2019 05:03
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Chomp8645 posted:The way that The Last Jedi wanted to do away with Star Wars convention and forge a completely new path, was good. I liked Kylo going "gently caress both the Jedi and Sith", the potential partnership with the protagonist, and Finn and his love interest.
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Dec 21, 2019 05:06
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punk rebel ecks posted:I liked Kylo going "gently caress both the Jedi and Sith", the potential partnership with the protagonist, and Finn and his love interest. I liked all those things, and also I liked Luke being grumpy and over it, I liked Snoke getting mercked, I liked the theme of everyone being flawed and making mistakes, I liked Rey's parents being nobodies, I liked the Force actually being everywhere and being intuitively accessible to people unconnected to the original trilogy.
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It's kind of like Dragon Age 2 if you think about it. There's a game that had a bold idea for the industry and especially for Bioware: you're not the loving hot poo poo hero of destiny. It's not yet another story where you play the chosen one, marked by the gods/prophecy/whatever, off on a quest to slay the evil-est evil in all the land, with the fate of the whole world hanging in the balance. You not even a member of some super-special elite group of knights or wizards or some poo poo. You're just some schmuck, trying to make a life for yourself and your family. It's a more character focused story that is mostly contained to one geographic area and develops over the years. And no matter what you do or don't do, the world ain't gonna end. The demon king isn't going to destroy the world and end humanity because you weren't there. And you know what, we need more stories like that. Unfortunately, despite that great idea, Dragon Age 2 went wrong by making basically every other aspect of the game poo poo. So that good idea, surrounded by a poo poo game, became a victim by association and was shelved. The Last Jedi is the Dragon Age 2 of Star Wars.
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Dec 21, 2019 05:16
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El Generico posted:I liked all those things, and also I liked Luke being grumpy and over it, I liked Snoke getting mercked, I liked the theme of everyone being flawed and making mistakes, I liked Rey's parents being nobodies, I liked the Force actually being everywhere and being intuitively accessible to people unconnected to the original trilogy. Yeah all these things too. I just hated how Luke wanted to kill Kylo because he was "evil" yet he was the same man who saw good in Vader. It would have made more sense if the motivation was something different or if he saw some legendary seerer or something.
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punk rebel ecks posted:I just hated how Luke wanted to kill Kylo because he was "evil" yet he was the same man who saw good in Vader. It would have made more sense if the motivation was something different or if he saw some legendary seer or something. Yeah, that was bad. I think maybe you could've justified it if he was in some kind of Force induced trance, or some other outside influence was screwing with him and impairing his judgement, but it just comes across like Luke's psycho switch randomly flipped.
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El Generico posted:I liked all those things, and also I liked Luke being grumpy and over it, I liked Snoke getting mercked, I liked the theme of everyone being flawed and making mistakes, I liked Rey's parents being nobodies, I liked the Force actually being everywhere and being intuitively accessible to people unconnected to the original trilogy. yeah this was all good but thing is that half the star wars audience hated the movie specifically because of its good new ideas instead of just because they were scattered through a bloated mess and now we back to watching a theoretically marketable corpse being puppeted around by a machine
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Dec 21, 2019 05:29
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Or they could've made it so Snoke planted the idea in his head. Y'know Snoke? The evil guy? Snoke? Nope? Okay.
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punk rebel ecks posted:I liked Kylo going "gently caress both the Jedi and Sith", the potential partnership with the protagonist, and Finn and his love interest. So three things that were super disappointing or failed miserably in their execution. Like all three of those could have been good but Kylo's words are empty and forgotten about 5 minutes later, they tease a partnership that never happens and Finn and Rose have zero chemistry and their partnership was rightly dropped in favour of Finn and Poe in RoS.
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El Generico posted:Yeah, that was bad. I think maybe you could've justified it if he was in some kind of Force induced trance, or some other outside influence was screwing with him and impairing his judgement, but it just comes across like Luke's psycho switch randomly flipped. I disagree with this. I saw it as Luke seeing Kylo Ren's dark side and for a very brief moment being tempted to do a bad thing. IIRC in the movie Luke even says that the urge passed quickly. It's not really out of character for Luke to be tempted by the dark side and the moment in RotJ when he has Vader dead to rights and is about to kill him before seeing his own machine hand is a notable example.
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Fojar38 posted:I disagree with this. I saw it as Luke seeing Kylo Ren's dark side and for a very brief moment being tempted to do a bad thing. IIRC in the movie Luke even says that the urge passed quickly. I mean, you're right, but I think getting right up to the point where you're raising your weapon up in front of the unconscious child is a bit much. It doesn't seem like an urge that passed quickly at that point. BIG PUFFY NIPS posted:yeah this was all good but thing is that half the star wars audience hated the movie specifically because of its good new ideas instead of just because they were scattered through a bloated mess and now we back to watching a theoretically marketable corpse being puppeted around by a machine Yeah. It's bad.
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Dec 21, 2019 05:41
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The whole point of the conclusion of Jedi is Luke confronting and overcoming that part of himself. It was not meant to be a momentary success. It was literally the culmination of his character arc
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Dec 21, 2019 05:45
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:The whole point of the conclusion of Jedi is Luke confronting and overcoming that part of himself. It was not meant to be a momentary success. It was literally the culmination of his character arc no it was just tbe beginning of 4,000 star destroyers that canblow up planets easier than the death star
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Dec 21, 2019 05:55
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I was ready for this to fuckin suck but it was totally solid. Didn't blow me away but I think it's easily the best of the ST. But, not sure how it would hold up on second watch, I could see it being like "hmm nah that wasn't that great actually"
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punk rebel ecks posted:The Last Jedi was good and I'm sad to hear that the story doesn't follow it. Please continue.
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i didnt see the movie but...did it explain who and when palpatine hosed??
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BeefThief posted:i didnt see the movie but...did it explain who and when palpatine hosed?? Everyone importants parents
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punk rebel ecks posted:I liked Kylo going "gently caress both the Jedi and Sith", the potential partnership with the protagonist, and Finn and his love interest. That would have been a much better follow-up, but Disney would never allow their main lead join the bad guy just like they wouldn't allow the main lead in Rogue One be a terrorist.
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Dec 21, 2019 07:21
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halokiller posted:That would have been a much better follow-up, but Disney would never allow their main lead join the bad guy just like they wouldn't allow the main lead in Rogue One be a terrorist. Although Disney did allow the male and female leads to both be former child soldiers.
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The movie was super fun and had big crazy awesome set pieces and Ashoka Tano in it. It was a good conclusion to the skywalker saga. Anyone who thought this was going to be Film instead of just a fun rear end movie is very stupid. Going in with such unrealistic expectations could only lead to disappointment so I have to assume people just like to be mad or are extremely bad at their own lives
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Use the farce Luuke
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BeefThief posted:i didnt see the movie but...did it explain who and when palpatine hosed?? I haven't either, so me watching it depends on: does it also show this? and if so, how graphically?
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Palpatine hosed a lot of people why would he be some chaste virg
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The Bloop posted:The movie was super fun and had big crazy awesome set pieces and Ashoka Tano in it. It was a good conclusion to the skywalker saga. its actually good that it was poo poo
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El Generico posted:Moreso, the direction The Last Jedi was trying to steer the series in was good and necessary. The Last Jedi was messy and flawed, but burning down the old tired poo poo and taking what still works and pushing forward with it in new ways was a good and necessary idea I see this argument and I'm genuinely confused by what last jedi did that was so seismic it has you spaffing over the direction it was apparently taking star wars, because anything that looked like it could have been genuinely different was subverted shortly afterwards within the same movie, so the sum total of these great changes Rian made was to have Luke being grumpy for a bit and pissing all over most of the plot threads JJ left to be picked up And then this was all strung between an incredibly lovely, contrived and most of all just plain boring b plot along with a horribly derivative battle at the end, exactly the same criticisms that apply to Force Awakens Again I generally liked the Rey/Luke/Kylo stuff but it didn't go anywhere uncharted, the thing I took most from it which I rarely hear other people mention was the final lesson Yoda taught Luke about failure being one of the most important teachers and how the role of the Masters is to live with that burden. Like yeah, that's a cool additional concept to the lore, but it doesn't fundamentally change our understanding of the force, just shows how the Jedi need to learn from their hubris
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:it was weird that they kept teasing romantic relationships with the characters and then explicitly shot them down Episode IX: Nobody fucks but Sheev
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The Bloop posted:The movie was super fun and had big crazy awesome set pieces and Ashoka Tano Where? I kept an eye out but I just assumed they got her VA to record one of the 30 overlaid lines from famous Jedi that Rey hears
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Snow Cone Capone posted:Where? I kept an eye out but I just assumed they got her VA to record one of the 30 overlaid lines from famous Jedi that Rey hears thats exactly what she was.
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El Generico posted:I liked all those things, and also I liked Luke being grumpy and over it, I liked Snoke getting mercked, I liked the theme of everyone being flawed and making mistakes, I liked Rey's parents being nobodies, I liked the Force actually being everywhere and being intuitively accessible to people unconnected to the original trilogy.  but hey what can you do, "we just had to cater to the worst fanbase* to make a more cowardly and much worse film that makes less money than it too" was too good an opportunity to pass up*also it wasn't enough for them to be homophobic and misogynistic and racist and generally toxic enough it bullied people off social media, it clearly affected Kelly Tran's role entirely in the immediate next film she was already signed up for with how severe it particularly was in her case. So yeah, gently caress them and gently caress JJ+Disney, the criticism they're getting pretty widespread for this still isn't as much as they deserve
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Was it good? This girl I'm seeing wants to go watch it so I'm trying to figure out how much whiskey I'll need to bring.
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Ride out and face them, ride out
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This movie loving sucks, visually impressive and fails in every other way. What I’m saying is that it’s a Star Wars movie
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Abongination posted:What I’m saying is that it’s a Star Wars movie I've already said enough words about how TLJ is incredible and my fav, so I'll just add 1) the original trilogy had some legit great moments and 2) for better or worse I loved the last hour of Rogue One (shame about the prior 70 minutes). Other than that ROTS was dumb fun, bin everything else
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“Oh no, droid with catch phrases and wide market appeal has been physically and mentally abused by previous owner. It’s cool droid, u roll with us now”
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Abongination posted:“Oh no, droid with catch phrases and wide market appeal has been physically and mentally abused by previous owner. It’s cool droid, u roll with us now” I like "no thank you" as a response to physical contact though and will be adopting it
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Snow Cone Capone posted:I like "no thank you" as a response to physical contact though and will be adopting it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0_0aeIO2Sk
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I liked that they literally called out how dumb/emotionally manipulative the whole "3po loses his memory" thing "i'm just taking a good long last look at my best friends  (((""wait doesn't R2 make backups for you" "uhhh they're unreliable!" *15 minutes later* it was real dumb.
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