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Rand Brittain posted:The best (and possibly only good) source of more information would be the Revised Followers of Set book. I'd recommend it but I don't know much the Ministry in 5E walks it back.
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Archonex posted:Yeah okay gently caress that. Who would even think that'd be a good premise for a game? In a hosed up way, the game is mildly useful in terms of "this is what a world of human people is like after they've had regular on a wide scale exposure to the Mythos for a good, long while." It could be useful if you want to do something like send your regular D&D/AD&D characters there as part of a "This is what your world will be like if [insert campaign evil] wins" education tour combined with "Oh by the way, you need to get part of the [insert Macguffin to beat the bad guy] while you're there." Really, though, I'm dropping the subject now. The only reason I brought it up was a counter to Metapod's "hate the players, not the game" bit. Because Carcosa is a game that very much deserves your hatred. And contempt. And disgust. And absolute refusal to buy or even illegally download (because it might molest your hard drive).
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Is there a good game show other than LA By Night? I tried Long Beach by Night and as much as I like B. Dave Walters, there's too many fancy southern accents flying around to handle. And the Penny Arcade one is just bad. edit: I'm enjoying "Taste of Youth" even though it needs to be organized into a playlist already. Production value is on the lower end but still sounds better than the Penny Arcade thing and the vibe is suitably dark. Nehru the Damaja fucked around with this message at 10:50 on Dec 21, 2019 |
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Nehru the Damaja posted:Is there a good game show other than LA By Night? I tried Long Beach by Night and as much as I like B. Dave Walters, there's too many fancy southern accents flying around to handle. And the Penny Arcade one is just bad. 'The Sounds of Silence' from Roll4It starts off well at least, but I haven't gotten too far into it. You've also got Blood on the Thames but I haven't really tried it.
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Is there a good podcast thingy for promethean? The only one I've found was kinda confusing and poorly done.
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Nehru the Damaja posted:Is there a good game show other than LA By Night? I tried Long Beach by Night and as much as I like B. Dave Walters, there's too many fancy southern accents flying around to handle. And the Penny Arcade one is just bad. "Sounds of Silence" is pretty good and there's also a Chicago by Night chronicle on Youtube that I don't remember if I started or not. Blood on the Thames is pretty good, what little I've watched. I'll cheap plug my own Bay Area by Night chronicle as well, it's available on iTunes and I'd assume wherever other podcasts are found. I posted a link a couple pages back. Also https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQANSrvaE2G1BAjYWoD7a45TnWvvSgakW Taste of Youth playlist
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joylessdivision posted:"Sounds of Silence" is pretty good and there's also a Chicago by Night chronicle on Youtube that I don't remember if I started or not. Yeah, it started a couple of months back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omRiK6a_Ans
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Dawgstar posted:'The Sounds of Silence' from Roll4It Why do people insist on saddling their media entries with names that have no chance of ever ranking highly in a search for that term?
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Dross posted:Why do people insist on saddling their media entries with names that have no chance of ever ranking highly in a search for that term? "Coolness" beats accessibility?
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The narrative history is going to need to be split into volumes. It was already pretty unwieldy as just a list of events.
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Loomer posted:The narrative history is going to need to be split into volumes. It was already pretty unwieldy as just a list of events. My anticipation continues to build unabated.
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Loomer posted:The narrative history is going to need to be split into volumes. It was already pretty unwieldy as just a list of events. It will sit proudly on my shelf next to Beckett's Jyhad Phone Book. "Loomers History of the WoD volume 1-Please god I just want to sleep"
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How do you take a cheesy paperback about a Tremere with the Tagline ‘She was America’s secret weapon in WW2!’ and ruin it so completely that there’s no joy in it and it’s impossible to reconcile with the canon? You let Brian Herbert write it. Blood on the Sun is quite possibly the single worst oWoD novel ever published.
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Where do Breathe Deeply and Call of Battle fall on that scale. If tremere agent woman is making up the bottom rung?
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Two rungs up, just above As One Dead. They’re bad, but at least they’re vaguely enjoyably bad and their deviations from the established canon are plot points rather than pointless nonsense like all vampires being able to fly across the pacific in the space of an hour or two.
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Loomer posted:Two rungs up, just above As One Dead. They’re bad, but at least they’re vaguely enjoyably bad and their deviations from the established canon are plot points rather than pointless nonsense like all vampires being able to fly across the pacific in the space of an hour or two. Ah yes, the notorious butt-mounted jet nacelle, the least glamorous of all vampowers
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... under their own power? Like.. in mist form or just supermanning it?
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Kurieg posted:... under their own power? Like.. in mist form or just supermanning it? Just plain supermanning it like Eric Northman. Even fledglings are just up and zooming across the pacific like they’re part of Clan Concorde. Maybe it’s because their grand sire is a two thousand year old Tremere vampire.
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Of course the Tremere can time travel, why wouldn't they
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The other problem with Blood on the Sun is that it’s very, very, very bland despite this nonsense. It’s genuinely horribly written in many areas, with basic mistakes of word choice and placement. I could get into a crazy gonzo vampire thing and enjoy it as that if it was written well, but it being a Brian Herbert joint, it not only misses every single shot but actively tries to put the ball inside its own rear end in a top hat rather than playing the game.
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Loomer posted:two thousand year old Tremere vampire Okay hang on-
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Loomer posted:Just plain supermanning it like Eric Northman. Even fledglings are just up and zooming across the pacific like they’re part of Clan Concorde. Maybe it’s because their grand sire is a two thousand year old Tremere vampire. So they're all, like... Fifth Generation?
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I've been ill and I read the oWod novel Gehenna: Final Nights out of pure boredom. Surprisingly, it's not as bad as I feared. I give it a pass mainly because it does not take itself seriously and thorougly trolls and humiliates several well-known characters in the lore. Also acknowledges the events ocurred in Bloodlines, including Caine involvement. I give it a score of 2.5 dead Hardestadts out of 5.
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Angry Lobster posted:I've been ill and I read the oWod novel Gehenna: Final Nights out of pure boredom. Surprisingly, it's not as bad as I feared. I give it a pass mainly because it does not take itself seriously and thorougly trolls and humiliates several well-known characters in the lore. Also acknowledges the events ocurred in Bloodlines, including Caine involvement. I reread that about a month ago. It was my introduction to the OWoD back when it came out and I was pleasantly surprised it held up as a fun story, despite the twist being the most obvious poo poo ever. Also it gets points for killing Hardestadt.
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So I've seen characters be like "man, ghouls have it rough and we should be better to them" but nowhere have I seen a polite term for them that replaces "ghoul."
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Nehru the Damaja posted:So I've seen characters be like "man, ghouls have it rough and we should be better to them" but nowhere have I seen a polite term for them that replaces "ghoul." You can call them 'indentured' because once you become a vampire you're fully newly dentured. 
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Nehru the Damaja posted:So I've seen characters be like "man, ghouls have it rough and we should be better to them" but nowhere have I seen a polite term for them that replaces "ghoul." I don't think "ghoul" is regarded as terribly impolite in the first place.
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LatwPIAT posted:I don't think "ghoul" is regarded as terribly impolite in the first place. I feel like it's dripping with contempt, or, at best, pity. Maybe it's just that predators who only seek to be good as a form of moral desert so they can continue to enjoy sapience are barely capable of truly selfless acts
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Nehru the Damaja posted:I feel like it's dripping with contempt, or, at best, pity. I don't feel like 'ghoul' is any less polite than 'vampire' - they're both calling someone a monster based on how they drink blood. Vampires are just the ones with all the power in vampire society.
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They probably should have a more flowery word for ghoul like they do with kindred, kine, etc.. Revenant works because it's pretty obscure outside of RPG fans and they're mostly in the thrall of folks unconcerned with the masquerade, but it feels like they overlooked giving ghouls an appropriate euphemism.
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Lassitude posted:They probably should have a more flowery word for ghoul like they do with kindred, kine, etc.. Revenant works because it's pretty obscure outside of RPG fans and they're mostly in the thrall of folks unconcerned with the masquerade, but it feels like they overlooked giving ghouls an appropriate euphemism. Revenant no longer works in 2e, as it's the term chosen for 2e's accidentally half-Embraced clanless vampires. It doesn't work very well for ghouls anyway, as it means "those who have returned," and ghouls haven't returned from anything. (Of course, ghul are primarily known for a whole bunch of things ghouls don't do, so that's already a bit of a misnomer.) The closest match that comes to my mind here is "dependent." It's euphemistic, a little condescending without being outright insulting, associates them with the "kindred" while holding them at arm's length, and accurately describes the ghoul condition: regardless of whether they're emotionally dependent on a regnant, they always need a provider, even if one obtained by force. I Am Just a Box fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Dec 23, 2019 |
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Vampires are soulless husks that fool themselves into thinking they're still human. Ghouls are people who opt in to monstrousness for a fix of that good poo poo. Spit on them.
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Nehru the Damaja posted:So I've seen characters be like "man, ghouls have it rough and we should be better to them" but nowhere have I seen a polite term for them that replaces "ghoul." Thrall? Still sucks, but it beats ghoul if you care enough to be nice to them.
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Nehru the Damaja posted:So I've seen characters be like "man, ghouls have it rough and we should be better to them" but nowhere have I seen a polite term for them that replaces "ghoul." Is there a polite term for "crack whore?" Is there a polite terms for somebody so utterly lost to addiction that they'll let you do the vilest, most awful things to their body, even sell their own children, for one more hit?
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Everyone posted:Is there a polite term for "crack whore?" Is there a polite terms for somebody so utterly lost to addiction that they'll let you do the vilest, most awful things to their body, even sell their own children, for one more hit? Coal lobbyist
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01011001 posted:Thrall? Still sucks, but it beats ghoul if you care enough to be nice to them. "Ward".
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Mendrian posted:"Ward". Yeah, that works too.
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"Ward" implies someone you protect and have responsibility for specifically, I don't know that it makes sense to use it to describe the metaphysical class of 'people who gain powers from drinking vampire blood.' I mean, in the sense of 'my ghoul' or 'the Elder's ghoul' it totally works, as long as they don't have any non-ghoul wards.
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Joe Slowboat posted:"Ward" implies someone you protect and have responsibility for specifically, I don't know that it makes sense to use it to describe the metaphysical class of 'people who gain powers from drinking vampire blood.' I mean, in the sense of 'my ghoul' or 'the Elder's ghoul' it totally works, as long as they don't have any non-ghoul wards. It's essentailly a euphemism, which vampire society adores. "I'm not enslaving a tool; I'm empowering and protecting this mortal with my supernatural grace." It is not a realsitic term. No realistic term would be anything but insulting.
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Mendrian posted:It's essentailly a euphemism, which vampire society adores. "I'm not enslaving a tool; I'm empowering and protecting this mortal with my supernatural grace." It is not a realsitic term. No realistic term would be anything but insulting. Oh, certainly - I'm just not sure what the term would be for a ghoul just in the physical sense, in that context.
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