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Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

420 Gank Mid posted:

Begun, the Gamer War has.

this is legit how wars should be decided tho. put the trigger happy cretins who want a war into an arma match, the losing side gets executed. all the benefits of a war, zero collateral damage and emissions

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Catgirl Al Capone
Dec 15, 2007

Truga posted:

this is legit how wars should be decided tho. put the trigger happy cretins who want a war into an arma match, the losing side gets executed. all the benefits of a war, zero collateral damage and emissions

A Taste of ARMAgeddon

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

are they sure the crackdown was because of the political statement and not just because a mob running around and destroying crap at random pissed off the regular players

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
It's literally GTA

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

i am all for the mainlander/Hong Kong wars of GTA Online and the class warfare of Fallout 76. if the always-online half-assed MMO model is what the video game industry wants, might as well make your own fun through gamer proxy wars

Autism Sneaks
Nov 21, 2016

Truga posted:

this is legit how wars should be decided tho. put the trigger happy cretins who want a war into an arma match, the losing side gets executed. all the benefits of a war, zero collateral damage and emissions

uhh what do you think computers run on, solar power?

at least if we cooked to death running the war simulations it still wouldn't be mining blockchains

sincx
Jul 13, 2012

furiously masturbating to anime titties
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:30 on Mar 23, 2021

CAPS LOCK BROKEN
Feb 1, 2006

by Fluffdaddy
The CAAC was the first civil aviation regulator to ban the max from flying, saving potentially countless numbers of lives globally

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

sincx posted:

Not directly related, but I think business schools should start teaching executives that if you think you need to create a "______ explainer" video, it's better to just shut up instead.



Agreed. Nobody should explain homework.

Modest Mao
Feb 11, 2011

by Cyrano4747

CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:

Nah, Taiwan has all the same issues with corruption that the mainland does. It's only due to heavy duty propaganda that people in the US think Taiwan is some kind of paradise like Switzerland. In reality, tons of Taiwan residents live abroad, 1 million of which live and work in the mainland.

Taiwan has problems I agree but it is a really well managed society, though likely due to how small it is. If it blew up to mainland it would inherit all of the problems of mainland's corruption and grifting

At least they have universal healthcare and free press, real democracy (dictatorship of the bourgeoisie yeah but real elections and representative democracy is running well there)

Modest Mao
Feb 11, 2011

by Cyrano4747

Ardennes posted:

Considering that the GDP capita in PPP terms of many mainland cities are on parity with some Western citiies at this point, it is probably time to start questioning many stereotypes.

Shanghai, a huge metropolitan and China's most globally connected business city, has a GDP 4/5 that of Taiwan in PPP despite Taiwan being an entire nation of about the same population (actually a million less)

China has a ways to go

edit: a ways to go might be 5 years for Shanghai but a lot longer to get a whole country up to where pluckly little taiwan is at

Modest Mao has issued a correction as of 06:37 on Dec 25, 2019

Modest Mao
Feb 11, 2011

by Cyrano4747

CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:

The CAAC was the first civil aviation regulator to ban the max from flying, saving potentially countless numbers of lives globally

itchy trigger finger

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Modest Mao posted:

itchy trigger finger

That’s Russia’s relationship with Boeing.

CAPS LOCK BROKEN
Feb 1, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

Modest Mao posted:

itchy trigger finger

second largest operator of the max after the US

Modest Mao
Feb 11, 2011

by Cyrano4747
I thought this was interesting, based on some lazy googling in English, each region's per capita personal disposable income in PPP 2019 dollars (give or take)

Shanghai = $19,200
Taiwan = $22,600
USA = $45,600

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201902/21/WS5c6e65eba3106c65c34eaa0a.html posted:

The average per-capita disposable income for permanent residents in urban areas of Shanghai was 68,034 yuan in 2018, an increase of 8.7 percent year-on-year and an actual growth of 7 percent after inflation was accounted for.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/PA.NUS.PPP?locations=CN posted:

In 2018, 1 dollar is worth 3.54 RMB in PPP

https://www.statista.com/statistics/922682/taiwan-average-disposable-income-per-capita posted:

In 2017, the average disposable income in Taiwan amounted to almost 332,000 New Taiwan dollars per person

https://www.quandl.com/data/ODA/TWN_PPPEX-Taiwan-Province-of-China-Implied-PPP-Conversion-Rate-LCU-per-USD posted:

In 2017, 1 dollar is worth 14.68NTD in PPP

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_income_in_the_United_States posted:

Real per-capita disposable income was $45,646 as of October, 2019.

Of course I'm comparing permanent residents of a developed urban area, using the purchasing power of a massive developing country, against an entire island nation the year prior, and using per capita instead of median in all cases... with the Shanghai source being not from a 3rd party data collection resource but chinese news media... it's biased favorable to the Shanghai number.

Also here's a great chart that puts the median Chinese person's yearly disposable income at $4,485, and the USA at $34,514 in 2016
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposable_household_and_per_capita_income#Median

Modest Mao has issued a correction as of 07:45 on Dec 25, 2019

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:

Nah, Taiwan has all the same issues with corruption that the mainland does. It's only due to heavy duty propaganda that people in the US think Taiwan is some kind of paradise like Switzerland. In reality, tons of Taiwan residents live abroad, 1 million of which live and work in the mainland.

US propaganda is so effective in fact that both Taiwanese and mainlanders themselves will tell you that the province is less corrupt than the mainland provinces

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.
That Chinese figure is from 2011, not 2016 like the US. Although I guess that doesn't make much of a difference .

Also Jesus, India at 616$.

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

Has anyone seen Shen Yun? Is it any good?

swimsuit
Jan 22, 2009

yeah

Maximo Roboto posted:

Has anyone seen Shen Yun? Is it any good?

lol

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
no way but i'd consider seeing eastern lightning riverdancing

which is a thing they do

like michael flatley

CAPS LOCK BROKEN
Feb 1, 2006

by Fluffdaddy
https://twitter.com/babadookspinoza/status/1206756450560880641?s=20

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

nelson mandela is communist sounds like the kind of take thats more likely to originate from a fascist trying to discredit nelson mandela instead of an actual communist

like as far as i can tell the dude was pretty succ my main knowledge of his presidency is that he did truth and reconciliation signal boosted the countrys mostly white rugby team and that south africa is still a mostly lovely place where white people own everything does that sound like a revolutionary communist to you

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
And pretty much ignored the AIDS crisis apparently.

America Inc.
Nov 22, 2013

I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

Maximo Roboto posted:

Has anyone seen Shen Yun? Is it any good?

Falun Gong sucks so bad they almost justify Chinese censorship.

America Inc.
Nov 22, 2013

I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.
Talking about Falun Gong sucking eggs, I bet most people here have heard about this:

https://www.npr.org/2019/12/22/790553909/snopes-facebook-and-fake-accounts

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Kassad posted:

That Chinese figure is from 2011, not 2016 like the US. Although I guess that doesn't make much of a difference.

I would say it does considering how fast the Chinese economy has been growing. Also, Shanghai is one city... but there are a multitude of other inland cities that are also catching up.

China right now is only actually about 60% urbanized (compared to Japan which is around 90%), but that gap is closing by the year.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Some Guy TT posted:

nelson mandela is communist sounds like the kind of take thats more likely to originate from a fascist trying to discredit nelson mandela instead of an actual communist

like as far as i can tell the dude was pretty succ my main knowledge of his presidency is that he did truth and reconciliation signal boosted the countrys mostly white rugby team and that south africa is still a mostly lovely place where white people own everything does that sound like a revolutionary communist to you

maybe you should learn more about a country and political leaders if you want to criticize them than just watching a movie about it

also China has close relations with Zimbabwe as well, a country that did actually seize land from white settlers

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

Some Guy TT posted:

nelson mandela is communist sounds like the kind of take thats more likely to originate from a fascist trying to discredit nelson mandela instead of an actual communist

like as far as i can tell the dude was pretty succ my main knowledge of his presidency is that he did truth and reconciliation signal boosted the countrys mostly white rugby team and that south africa is still a mostly lovely place where white people own everything does that sound like a revolutionary communist to you

Mandela was literally in the central committee of south african communist party

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

https://twitter.com/anarchotokonoko/status/1209653846869327872

When an anti-PRC anarchist links to the CIA connected The Atlantic to point out neocon-CPC connections

LookingGodIntheEye posted:

Falun Gong sucks so bad they almost justify Chinese censorship.

Yes, but is the show any good?

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/stepping-into-the-uncanny-unsettling-world-of-shen-yun

the new yorker makes it sound like the dancing isn't very good. so unless you're really interested in falun gong it's not really a worthwhile show

quote:

Aside from the organ harvesting, the homophobia, the anti-evolution ballad, and the Karl Marx apparition, the thing I found most odd about my Shen Yun experience in Houston was the hosts’ explanation of Chinese classical dance. This art form seemed to resemble both ballet and gymnastics, they said, but, they explained, ballet and gymnastics had in fact borrowed the traditional techniques of Chinese classical dance. The dancers were showcasing a tradition that was thousands of years old, they went on—a tradition that had been single-handedly rejuvenated by Shen Yun. It was impossible to see a show like this in China, because of the Communist regime, they told us.

In February, I called up Emily Wilcox, a professor of Chinese studies at the University of Michigan and the author of the book “Revolutionary Bodies: Chinese Dance and the Socialist Legacy.” “I studied Chinese classical dance at the Beijing Dance Academy for a year and a half,” she said, “and, a few weeks after I came back to Michigan, a group promoting Shen Yun came up to me at the mall, handed me a flyer, and gave me the whole spiel about how Chinese dance is banned in China. It was hilarious to me, and so ridiculous, and, in a way, it inspired me to write this history in my book.”

Wilcox told me that Chinese classical dance is one of the predominant forms of dance in the contemporary Chinese art world. “It’s the form that professional dancers pay most attention to,” she said. “And, crucially, it’s actually a very new art form.” In the early nineteen-fifties, Wilcox explained, Chinese dancers, driven by a nationalistic impulse to create a form that could truly represent China, and drawing inspiration from historic art objects, nineteen-twenties Chinese opera, and various types of folk performance, began to shape a new tradition. “Dancers in China emphasize the fact that Chinese dance is an artistic innovation,” Wilcox said. “They’re interested in the possibility of newness, diversity, finding something new in Chinese history rather than re-creating the same thing.”

“Have you ever heard anyone say that ballet or gymnastics came out of Chinese dance?” I asked.

“I have never heard that before, no,” Wilcox said. She then pointed me to several Chinese-classical-dance performances on YouTube, all of which were markedly more expressive and nuanced than what I saw at Shen Yun.

In the book “Contemporary Directions in Asian-American Dance,” Yutian Wong notes that the glowing profiles Shen Yun publishes about its dancers “consist of stories in which former Chinese nationals can only discover the essence of Chinese culture by learning and performing classical Chinese dance choreography outside of the People’s Republic of China.” Shen Yun insists that it is a singular source of generative purity—that five thousand years of culture were reborn in upstate New York in 2006. Wong suggests that Shen Yun’s claims to purity are a way for Falun Gong practitioners to reclaim their identity from persecution—and that they’re bolstered by a preëxisting tendency on the part of Western audiences to perceive Asian bodies, and Asian culture, as “authentic.”

HorseLord
Aug 26, 2014

Maximo Roboto posted:

https://twitter.com/anarchotokonoko/status/1209653846869327872

When an anti-PRC anarchist links to the CIA connected The Atlantic to point out neocon-CPC connections

anarchists have all been dupes for the CIA since it was founded

HorseLord
Aug 26, 2014

Some Guy TT posted:

nelson mandela is communist sounds like the kind of take thats more likely to originate from a fascist trying to discredit nelson mandela instead of an actual communist

like as far as i can tell the dude was pretty succ my main knowledge of his presidency is that he did truth and reconciliation signal boosted the countrys mostly white rugby team and that south africa is still a mostly lovely place where white people own everything does that sound like a revolutionary communist to you

nelson mandela was a clandestine member of the SACP's central committee and this is public knowledge since his death. the leadership of the ANC and SACP has had a lot of overlap for many decades; Mandela's armed wing of the ANC was stocked full of communists and the two parties remain joined at the hip today

remember that he was arrested while preparing for a violent revolution. it's weird that you think he'd immediately pop out of prison and start guillotining people when the entire situation he was revolting against in the first place was rapidly changing and he was an old man

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Maximo Roboto posted:

Has anyone seen Shen Yun? Is it any good?

define good

I enjoyed* it, and a lot of the Chinese myth / early Chinese history stuff is pretty fun, and then it goes off the rails and is very entertaining in entirely different ways

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Nelson Mandela died in prison and was replaced by a centrist CIA bodydouble that would work to keep South Africa aligned with US interests. His change of heart post release was part of this.

A big flaming stink
Apr 26, 2010

Atrocious Joe posted:

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/stepping-into-the-uncanny-unsettling-world-of-shen-yun

the new yorker makes it sound like the dancing isn't very good. so unless you're really interested in falun gong it's not really a worthwhile show

how the hell do you not quote the part about a tsunami with karl marx's face on it

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose
The Shen Yun performance I saw (was tricked by the omnipresent ads into thinking it was just a Chinese dance troupe of some sort) didn't have a Marx-faced tsunami and I feel ripped off.

Doctor Nick
Dec 27, 2003

Has anyone noticed in the past few years the shift that has taken place in ML discourse regarding China? Previously, MLs were not supportive of China and wrote the CCP off as revisionists and capitalists, but now it seems like they've gone full Dengist and are happy to swallow CCP propaganda. It's very strange.

Catgirl Al Capone
Dec 15, 2007

Doctor Nick posted:

Has anyone noticed in the past few years the shift that has taken place in ML discourse regarding China? Previously, MLs were not supportive of China and wrote the CCP off as revisionists and capitalists, but now it seems like they've gone full Dengist and are happy to swallow CCP propaganda. It's very strange.

MLs typically practice critical support of countries that US media is actively manufacturing consent for war against for the sake of pushback against that consent, however small. Criticisms happen but if you're on the outside of their communities you probably won't see them very often.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

pardon my ignorance but what does ml stand for

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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
marxist-leninist I assume

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