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I liked all of the films in the ST. I dunno, I mean, I can accept they're flawed, but ultimately I went into each one wanting to like it and enjoy it, and I always did. TLJ was my favourite, but I hold no particular antipathy towards the others. I can find a lot to criticize if I care to analyze them, and I don't necessarily disagree with what people have said about ROS here or elsewhere, but in all honesty I'd prefer to just ignore the flaws and enjoy myself rather than bitch. A lot of my favourite films are just outright garbage on any kind of objective level, but frankly: gently caress it, because on any given afternoon I'd rather re-watch Ace Ventura that Citizen Kane.
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Maxwell Lord posted:One thought I've had: Doesn't seem worse for wear? he's literally being hauled around and kept alive by a giant machine, his eyes all hosed up it's one of the things the movie did right like he's literally an evil necromancer who's come back from the dead through evil science and raises an army of the dead
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Dec 31, 2019 05:46
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The sequel trilogy is bad because instead of being Star Wars films about other things, they are Star Wars films about Star Wars and precious little else. They mechanically advance the story, and do so a whole bunch by Ctrl-Ving the major plot points of films we've already seen. Cool if that's what you wanted and enjoyed the films, uncool if you also think that makes them good.
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Dec 31, 2019 06:34
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Elfgames posted:Doesn't seem worse for wear? he's literally being hauled around and kept alive by a giant machine, his eyes all hosed up it's one of the things the movie did right His messed up fingers were a nice touch. Movie is fun garbage. Palpatine being some techno-fantasy Imhotep is the best part.
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Dec 31, 2019 06:42
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DorianGravy posted:2) I felt like the tone of the movie was fairly bleak, which I didn't like. Watching as helpless resistance ships are slowly destroyed was dour. Toward the end of the movie, the entire resistance is dwindled down to a small enough cast that they can fit into the Millennium Falcon. With all due respect, this sounds a lot like Empire Strikes Back at points. The rest, mostly agreed, though I really have no attachment to Luke's character in the OT. homullus posted:The sequel trilogy is bad because instead of being Star Wars films about other things, they are Star Wars films about Star Wars and precious little else. They mechanically advance the story, and do so a whole bunch by Ctrl-Ving the major plot points of films we've already seen. Cool if that's what you wanted and enjoyed the films, uncool if you also think that makes them good. TLJ is the only one that tried to push the envelope on this and it beefed it towards the end, because... lightrook posted:Not OP but I have pretty similar positive sentiments towards Episode IX, and I think TLJ feels more like a TV episode and less like a movie in scope, in the sense that the plot has advanced very little between the beginning and the end. Agreed as well. TLJ dropped the ball on Poe and Finn, and only Rey really changes as a character. I suspect it's because Poe and Finn's plots are "rebelling against authority" and "realizing that the wars are perpetuated by jerks who want money and power", and there's a drat good reason why Disney would want to prevent those from being properly resolved. That said, I still like TLJ as a movie independent of being Star Wars. It's when you start considering it in the larger story that it starts to eat balls. Actually, that happens earlier: somewhere around 30-45 min before the end.
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Dec 31, 2019 06:52
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Oscar Isaac has had enough of these Star Wars: A threas https://twitter.com/boobooben/status/1210715361621889024?s=1 Special shout out to this one https://twitter.com/boobooben/status/1210715506950463488?s=19 lmao
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Dec 31, 2019 07:02
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teagone posted:The Ghost had to have cameo'd when the Rebellion's giant gently caress-off fleet arrived at the end. It was also shown landing on the resistance base after the movie ends and everyone gets ready to hi5 if you watch carefully.
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Dec 31, 2019 08:06
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Colonel Whitey posted:The point is that the actor never gets a chance to emote or convey anything at all. Mando remains a boring emotionless appliance at least through episode 6 (haven't seen the rest yet). It's like if you took the Man With No Name and told Clint Eastwood he could have zero charisma, put a helmet on him, and gave him no good lines. Tough job for the actor, that one's on the bad writing. Primary characters include a gold robot played by a human actor who never shows his face. Another is always dressed in black with a mean looking mask, played by multiple actors (one just for the voice!) and is largely considered the franchise's defining character. Just because other talentless film makers have spoiled 20 years of superhero movies by having their main characters walk around large chunks of the movies without their iconic masks to "emote" doesn't mean that's how it works. The Mandalorian wearing a mask all of the time works no less than it did for Darth loving Vader.
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Dec 31, 2019 13:14
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Cheesus posted:Let me tell you about a film franchise called "Star Wars". Maybe you've heard of it? It's fine on The Mandalorian. Not as bad by the end as I thought it was going to be when I was watching Episode 1 or 2. Still a waste of an actor.
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Dec 31, 2019 15:14
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PostNouveau posted:It's fine on The Mandalorian. Not as bad by the end as I thought it was going to be when I was watching Episode 1 or 2. Not really, since by all accounts it wasn't Pedro in the suit for most of it
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Dec 31, 2019 15:44
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Dec 31, 2019 15:45
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Cheesus posted:The Mandalorian wearing a mask all of the time works no less than it did for Darth loving Vader. There's a reason Vader was voiced by James Earl Jones. You need a super unique and memorable voice to make a character like that work. I enjoyed The Mandalorian but not because of the Mandalorian himself, he's probably the biggest weak point of the show.
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Dec 31, 2019 15:49
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Colonel Whitey posted:Yeah or maybe the main threat is that he’s trying to return to corporeal form and that’s what they need to stop from happening. It feels like they chose the laziest, most thoughtless version of their ideas and said “gently caress it, good enough.” I feel that was probably in the movie at some point? Like the whole ending feels like some lovely YA novel about prophecy; like they’re fighting against this thing the whole movie, at the end the villain succeeds but it opens up a glaring weakness for the heroes to exploit and kill him.
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Dec 31, 2019 15:54
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I wanna see the super ghoulish concept art of Palpatine before Disney forced them to soften him up for the final design. Bringing him back was stupid, but he's one of the best things about both the PT and the OT and they still managed to make him disappointing. Him having a pretty smooth face and fogged up contact lenses? Weak as gently caress.
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Dec 31, 2019 15:55
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Elfgames posted:Doesn't seem worse for wear? he's literally being hauled around and kept alive by a giant machine, his eyes all hosed up it's one of the things the movie did right It would have been cool if he actually did this, and his fleet was made up of partially destroyed zombie star destroyers from the battle of Endor
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Dec 31, 2019 16:09
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Detective No. 27 posted:I wanna see the super ghoulish concept art of Palpatine before Disney forced them to soften him up for the final design. Bringing him back was stupid, but he's one of the best things about both the PT and the OT and they still managed to make him disappointing. Yeah, I'm sure Iger wasn't hip on using his own likeness in the film.
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Dec 31, 2019 16:15
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The blame game begins... https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/1...mperor-rey-kylo In it, Terrio possibly credits Lucasfilm President Kathleen Kennedy with wanting to bring back Palpatine. "Kathy Kennedy and [SVP] Michelle Rejwan had a clear plan for where they wanted things to end," Terrio said. "They had clear plans about certain narrative marks they wanted us to hit. They also gave us a lot of freedom within that. We knew that Rey and Ren were utterly key to this trilogy, but we also felt that there was no way that we were going to not find a path to redemption for Kylo Ren, the son of Han and Leia." "That’s when we really started aggressively pursuing this idea that there is old evil that didn’t die," he continued. "The source of the evil in the galaxy is this dark spirit waiting for its revenge and biding its time. The entity known as Palpatine in this version – his body died in Return of the Jedi – is patient and has been waiting. He dug his fox hole and has been waiting for his chance to re-establish his total domination When asked if Palpatine had always been the plan, prior to Episode IX, Terrio said "Well, I can’t speak to Kathy’s overall intent. That was certainly discussed and was discussed before I ever came on. Kathy had this overall vision that we had to be telling the same story for nine episodes. Although from the sleight of hand of Episode VII and Episode VIII, you wouldn’t necessarily know immediately that we were telling the same story. She thought it would be a very strong end for the ninth movie. This fits well with J.J. because he loves magic tricks. It's like poetry, it rhymes.
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Dec 31, 2019 16:17
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Another thing that bothered me about The Last Jedi is Maz tells them to find this hacker at the tables on casino planet. Is he there all day every day? Does he never go home?
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Dec 31, 2019 16:27
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AdmiralViscen posted:It would have been cool if he actually did this, and his fleet was made up of partially destroyed zombie star destroyers from the battle of Endor I think they kinda sorta thought of this too, originally (way back in Force Awakens' older incarnations) exploring the Death Star 2 ruins was going to happen in space and be this massive graveyard of wreckage people scavenge at. And, like how Jakku ended up the idea being that the sheer scope of the battle meant it was basically like it's own entire shattered planet of junk to scavenge. And earlier version of Force Awakens had Finn already a deserter and him scavenging the wrecked star destroyers and stuff for cash and his work as a storm trooper making him more adept at finding the good poo poo. I mean I know STAR DESTROYS BUT BLACK AND EACH ONE IS A DEATH STAR AND THE STORM TROOPERS HAVE RED ARMOR INSTEAD OF WHITE OR BLACK WOOOOAAAAAHHHH won out at the end of the day but, the same way Lando rallied a bunch of "just people" instead of an army, a patched together ramshackle Sith fleet would have been pretty cool. And also it would have been an interesting way to make it make more sense if it's not quite super powerful if Palpatine already knows he can, uh, force lightning all of space at once or whatever. Because then it makes his broadcast and luring Rey there make more sense since his immediate goal isn't to win a space battle but just to get Rey there to see her friends in danger. I mean, I still LOL at his plan that, like, 100% definitively fuckin' failed on every level in RotJ is just, like, tried again and comes down to the same hey Rey yeah you're angry so just kill me while my Sith servant person whom you feel a connection to suffers a lot.
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Dec 31, 2019 17:35
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SolarFire2 posted:Another thing that bothered me about The Last Jedi is Maz tells them to find this hacker at the tables on casino planet. Is he there all day every day? Does he never go home? That's just how the gig economy is in Star Wars when you're not on a union world, thanks Maz for giving us The Dignity Of Work.
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Dec 31, 2019 17:35
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Neo Rasa posted:I mean, I still LOL at his plan that, like, 100% definitively fuckin' failed on every level in RotJ is just, like, tried again and comes down to the same hey Rey yeah you're angry so just kill me while my Sith servant person whom you feel a connection to suffers a lot. It's funny that they went with almost the exact same scenario as RotJ, but of course they have to muddy the waters with some confusing "I am all of the Jedi" nonsense in place of the beautiful simplicity that was Vader changing his mind just chucking Palpatine down the shaft. Like, what even was that at the end there? What even happened?
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Dec 31, 2019 17:44
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They didn’t do much other than whisper. Rey just needed to remember her other lightsaber and do the cross counter.
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Dec 31, 2019 17:51
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Basebf555 posted:It's funny that they went with almost the exact same scenario as RotJ, but of course they have to muddy the waters with some confusing "I am all of the Jedi" nonsense in place of the beautiful simplicity that was Vader changing his mind just chucking Palpatine down the shaft. She strikes Palpatine down but, uh, NOT in anger and so she is uh redeemed from uh not accepting to decline turning to the dark side but also she does die so maybe she did but then Kylo Ren can just kiss people back to life with the force so what the gently caress were Qui-Gon and Palpatine even smoking with this force ghost poo poo when even angry kid Ben Solo can just lay hands on someone to heal them or kiss them to resurrect the dead whenevera98vq09843hqp9u4ht809ghsuifnd
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Dec 31, 2019 17:57
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If you coalesce the collective spiritual energy of a million billion space wizards to absolutely loving disintegrate a pathetic old man on a crane it's okay as long as you do it out of love.
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Dec 31, 2019 18:01
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But Lucas is the one who is a hack, somehow.
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Dec 31, 2019 18:03
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Lucas was absolutely a hack and the prequels are hurt by his overwhelming control of them. That will never stop being a thing that is true.
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Dec 31, 2019 18:13
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Were all those people in the stadium seating ghosts, or were they physically there? I’m pretty sure some of them run and get crushed by rocks. Why would ghosts need chairs in the first place?
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Dec 31, 2019 18:19
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Cheesus posted:Let me tell you about a film franchise called "Star Wars". Maybe you've heard of it? Darth Vader works because the mask makes him scary and imposing. All the emotional heft of the series is put on Luke, Leia, and Han. Vader is only important because he’s important to them. If they put Luke goddamn Skywalker in a mask for the whole movie Star Wars would have been a complete failure. The show is getting by only because it’s a Star Wars show. Nobody would care about it if it wasn’t. E: also setting aside the fact that Threepio and Vader are not the main protagonists of the films, they get a lot to work with to give them a bit of dimension. Vader gets to be imposing physically not just with the physicality of the performance but with his voice and the lines he’s given. Threepio has a very specific physicality and personality written into the character and incorporated into his design. Mandalorian helmet man gets none of that to work with, he would be lame as just a side character or villain, but he’s the lead of the show. You want to put him in a helmet, fine, I don’t like it but it could work in other ways. But he gets no opportunity for characterization in any other way either. Colonel Whitey fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Dec 31, 2019 |
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Dec 31, 2019 18:20
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Were all those people in the stadium seating ghosts, or were they physically there? I’m pretty sure some of them run and get crushed by rocks. Why would ghosts need chairs in the first place? I think it was all the acolytes who built the star destroyers with death star cannons.
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Dec 31, 2019 18:25
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Characters wearing helmets are fine, as long as the director doesn't make them take it off for no reason when it'd be much more effective to keep it on See: Enfys Nest, who literally shrinks two feet after removing their helmet and loses all menace because they're an adorable babyfaced freckled redhead
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Dec 31, 2019 18:39
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Were all those people in the stadium seating ghosts, or were they physically there? I’m pretty sure some of them run and get crushed by rocks. Why would ghosts need chairs in the first place? Going by Wookiedpedia they're actual people and basically the folks running the planet/getting the stuff built over the past 30 years. But there's absolutely a precedent for ghosts getting tired and needing to sit down even to accomplish simple tasks like talking to someone as we see with Obi-Wan in Return of the Jedi and with Luke in this movie when he chats with Rey.
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Dec 31, 2019 18:41
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Neo Rasa posted:If you coalesce the collective spiritual energy of a million billion space wizards to absolutely loving disintegrate a pathetic old man on a crane it's okay as long as you do it out of love. Rey didn't disintegrate Palps, she reflected his lightning so he did that to himself, which is totally different from striking him down herself.  The real takeaway is that Mace could do the same without an insane powerup, so I guess we know who the strongest force user in the series really was.
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Dec 31, 2019 18:47
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lightrook posted:Rey didn't disintegrate Palps, she reflected his lightning so he did that to himself, which is totally different from striking him down herself. But enough about Threepio
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Dec 31, 2019 18:48
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PT6A posted:I liked all of the films in the ST. I dunno, I mean, I can accept they're flawed, but ultimately I went into each one wanting to like it and enjoy it, and I always did. TLJ was my favourite, but I hold no particular antipathy towards the others. I can find a lot to criticize if I care to analyze them, and I don't necessarily disagree with what people have said about ROS here or elsewhere, but in all honesty I'd prefer to just ignore the flaws and enjoy myself rather than bitch. A lot of my favourite films are just outright garbage on any kind of objective level, but frankly: gently caress it, because on any given afternoon I'd rather re-watch Ace Ventura that Citizen Kane. The ST are movies that I enjoyed but don't like. By that I mean I had a good time watching them, but I doubt I will ever have the inclination to re-watch them, even when streaming for "free". The only one that I'd conceivably rewatch would be TFA, but only because there are two very good scenes in them (the "Rey on Jakku" montage and the final battle between her and Kylo Ren).
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Dec 31, 2019 19:06
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Mulva posted:Lucas was absolutely a hack and the prequels are hurt by his overwhelming control of them. That will never stop being a thing that is true. Lucas invented and wrote all the best parts of Star Wars. Literally nobody else has added anything remotely good
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Dec 31, 2019 19:47
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I think we just have to come to terms with the fact that there's a lot of different people who like Star Wars for a lot of different reasons, and that we're trying to make singular movies that appeal to all of those people and failing at that. One Star Wars fan likes sci-fi, one likes the Jedi/Force, one likes brainless pew pew, one likes good storytelling, one likes high-criticality avant garde films ala Cannes/Sundance, one just wants to post on Twitter about how much they cried and use dumb hashtags. The movies are currently trying to appeal to all of those fans. One movie, or trilogy of movies, cannot supply all of that. We need to break up the Star Wars monolith into smaller parts. The Mandalorian is a good step towards that, but only one step.
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Dec 31, 2019 20:06
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Guy A. Person posted:Lucas invented and wrote all the best parts of Star Wars. Literally nobody else has added anything remotely good Maybe but I think an argument can be made that the invention of Star Wars has had a net negative impact on culture and society.
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Dec 31, 2019 20:08
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Colonel Whitey posted:Maybe but I think an argument can be made that the invention of Star Wars has had a net negative impact on culture and society. Nah, nerddom have existed since the penny dreadful. Star Wars may have provided something for them to crystallize around, but if it wasn't Star Wars it would have been something else.
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Dec 31, 2019 20:18
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Eh I don’t think it’s a given that there will always be a huge juggernaut lightning rod that everyone has opinions about for 4 decades and beyond
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Star Wars is the kinda thing that survives the apocalypse and the remnants of the human race mistake for actual history. It's never ever going away.
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