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Nichael posted:I'm not a mod, they never modded me. Not that I particularly care, but maybe also listen to the forum when they ask for specific people to mod it, and other specific people to not mod it. huh LK said it was basically decided. I guess the chaos derailed things
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Dreylad posted:they're just bans, let people rereg good lord Charging a couple hundred bucks to undo the prodding of vicious bigots is a great compromise.
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Dreylad posted:they're just bans, let people rereg good lord Missing the point which has been discussed repeatedly. Leftism to me means not having to engage in good faith with needless noise.
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Tashilicious posted:Instead of going in half-cocked without any idea, read what the hell happened. The QCS threads alone are a good source for the first week of bullshit. Blundering in while you *fully admit to having no idea what's going on or how to fix it* is just going to make poo poo constantly worse.
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Again, permaban Party Plane Jones, Logik and Beer4TheBeerGod for helping create this schmozzle on your New Years.
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Dreylad posted:they're just bans, let people rereg good lord Gosh I hope this turns into an actual ban for perfect irony.
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Pomp posted:Why would they want to give lowtax money right now I mean, no one should imagine giving a transphobe money so people can continue to be abused
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Lowtax posted:People were demanding action. They were saying poo poo should've been done weeks ago. I knew nothing about anything, except that people wanted an admin response NOW, so I attempted to address that. I mean, there were tons of people pissed off at the admins for not saying anything explaining what was going on, and there was essentially silence. I was thrown into all this because everybody else was afraid of the shitstorm that would follow, and I honestly don't blame them. But I'm getting sooooo many conflicting messages from posters who say one thing and posters who say the opposite, and I cannot read the post history of every single person to determine what side of the wall they're on. I've had trans people tell me they're afraid to post in that trans thread. I've heard so many stories and so many conflicting reports that the "WE NEED ACTION AND WE NEED IT NOW" really made it difficult. Anyway, I'm doing the best I can, and please don't expect me to address all these issues at once instantly, because it will take time. I am unbanning the people I banned last night, but I really hope they do not continue being assholes to me or else I will ban them again, Okay, thank you for that. That's a start. Now please engage and listen to the people who have written up very detailed posts on why they're upset. Smarxist, for example, wrote a few very good ones, but there's plenty of others.
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Oh cool you're undoing the bans.
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Can we get an explanation from your end why FYAD remains open?
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Forums hosed, just pull the plug Lowtax. It's costing a fortune to run and it's just eating itself slowly. People who like you can still donate to your Patreon or livestreams and all the other super-online types can set up their own offsites and Discords or whatever. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Lowtax posted:Anyway, I'm doing the best I can, and please don't expect me to address all these issues at once instantly, because it will take time. I am unbanning the people I banned last night, but I really hope they do not continue being assholes to me or else I will ban them again, Thank you, I think this is a good move.
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unbanning people is a great step and I think it will go a long way to helping this drama to end. just you listening and doing stuff is very positive
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Lowtax posted:I am unbanning the people I banned last night Thank you
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Dreylad posted:they're just bans, let people rereg good lord We all want them back but I would not be surprised if they did not bother to rereg because the top admin wanted them gone.
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Lowtax posted:People were demanding action. They were saying poo poo should've been done weeks ago. I knew nothing about anything, except that people wanted an admin response NOW, so I attempted to address that. I mean, there were tons of people pissed off at the admins for not saying anything explaining what was going on, and there was essentially silence. I was thrown into all this because everybody else was afraid of the shitstorm that would follow, and I honestly don't blame them. But I'm getting sooooo many conflicting messages from posters who say one thing and posters who say the opposite, and I cannot read the post history of every single person to determine what side of the wall they're on. I've had trans people tell me they're afraid to post in that trans thread. I've heard so many stories and so many conflicting reports that the "WE NEED ACTION AND WE NEED IT NOW" really made it difficult. Anyway, I'm doing the best I can, and please don't expect me to address all these issues at once instantly, because it will take time. I am unbanning the people I banned last night, but I really hope they do not continue being assholes to me or else I will ban them again, thank you for listening to us. i hope you stick around this thread so that you can have a dialogue with posters here who can better explain the situation up to this point.
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Dreylad posted:they're just bans, let people rereg good lord banning people for "sass" in a thread where they were supposed to be able to air their grievances has a chilling effect on board engagement. reversing the bans or letting cspam mods determine who deserves to have their bans rolled back will make it clear that this was a mistake and not how the forums will continue to be run.
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Mr. Tax Man - I'd echo that listening to Lightning Knight and Nichael would be a good way to assess which things you should take slowly, and which are urgent. The urgency is because there's a sense that things are at or near a tipping point and that things could become hosed to a point beyond repair. The folks asking for the bans from last night to be undone are looking to pull things back from that precipice. The bigger changes and underlying drama will be annoying to unpack and frankly it'll be hard finding a solution that makes all constituencies happy. That can likely be a slow process, as that drama has existed for months now. ETA NM you already figured this out. Thanks Lowtax!
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Pancakes posted:Thank you, I think this is a good move.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:banning people for "sass" in a thread where they were supposed to be able to air their grievances has a chilling effect on board engagement. reversing the bans or letting cspam mods determine who deserves to have their bans rolled back will make it clear that this was a mistake and not how the forums will continue to be run. ..until the next time it happens again
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Lowtax posted:I am unbanning the people I banned last night, but I really hope they do not continue being assholes to me or else I will ban them again, This is great. Thank you.
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Suspicious Dish posted:We all want them back but I would not be surprised if they did not bother to rereg because the top admin wanted them gone. Bushido Brown posted:Mr. Tax Man - I'd echo that listening to Lightning Knight and Nichael would be a good way to assess which things you should take slowly, and which are urgent. Even if he un-bans, I kind of worry that he reached that tipping point and discouraged people from coming back. Especially considering many self-banned or just left completely. This was a poor decision for a lot of reasons, but it doesn't even make sense business wise since these people paid into the forum and generated content for it.
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The moderation in this thread has been really good and timely while I've been reading it. Letting the thread play out here might be a good choice.
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Argas posted:Can we get an explanation from your end why FYAD remains open? To rephrase this in a slightly less accusatory tone, can you describe how you originally became aware of the FYAD "issue" and what you were told about it? I think people are making a lot of assumptions about exactly what you knew and when which is why they were getting so frustrated with you in the T&R thread last night and clearing that up would go a long way towards helping. And thank you for undoing the bans.
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Thank you for undoing the bans Lowtax. You have honestly made me feel a lot better by doing that.
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Lowtax posted:People were demanding action. They were saying poo poo should've been done weeks ago. I knew nothing about anything, except that people wanted an admin response NOW, so I attempted to address that. I mean, there were tons of people pissed off at the admins for not saying anything explaining what was going on, and there was essentially silence. I was thrown into all this because everybody else was afraid of the shitstorm that would follow, and I honestly don't blame them. But I'm getting sooooo many conflicting messages from posters who say one thing and posters who say the opposite, and I cannot read the post history of every single person to determine what side of the wall they're on. I've had trans people tell me they're afraid to post in that trans thread. I've heard so many stories and so many conflicting reports that the "WE NEED ACTION AND WE NEED IT NOW" really made it difficult. Anyway, I'm doing the best I can, and please don't expect me to address all these issues at once instantly, because it will take time. I am unbanning the people I banned last night, but I really hope they do not continue being assholes to me or else I will ban them again, Good, thank you.
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Pomp posted:Wait what Dark Tzitzimime was a Games / ADTRW poster who constantly posted about titty games and had a huge anime titty avatar, but managed to always stay just barely on the side of not saying anything punishable and presented as someone who was horny but basically harmless. Shockingly, they turned out to be a creep.
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In my entire 11 year posting career I think I've seen FYAD do something funny once, and that was a poster who no longer posts. If they just stuck to themselves and giggled about their own buttholes or whatever then it'd be fine, but they don't do that. If you meaningfully enforce this new edict you'd still have a forum of transphobes and other assholes but there's always a first step.
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Hey lowtax could you do something about this thread, it largely seems to be fyad riffing on people being mad https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3908601&pagenumber=12&perpage=40
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Lowtax posted:People were demanding action. They were saying poo poo should've been done weeks ago. I knew nothing about anything, except that people wanted an admin response NOW, so I attempted to address that. I mean, there were tons of people pissed off at the admins for not saying anything explaining what was going on, and there was essentially silence. I was thrown into all this because everybody else was afraid of the shitstorm that would follow, and I honestly don't blame them. But I'm getting sooooo many conflicting messages from posters who say one thing and posters who say the opposite, and I cannot read the post history of every single person to determine what side of the wall they're on. I've had trans people tell me they're afraid to post in that trans thread. I've heard so many stories and so many conflicting reports that the "WE NEED ACTION AND WE NEED IT NOW" really made it difficult. Anyway, I'm doing the best I can, and please don't expect me to address all these issues at once instantly, because it will take time. I am unbanning the people I banned last night, but I really hope they do not continue being assholes to me or else I will ban them again, Thanks for undoing the bans Lowtax, that's a good solid step. You're doing a lot of hedging to save face and stuff and that's understandable but not really necessary. Your actions are going to be what are remembered here and not the posts. Undoing the bans is good, listening to posters' concerns and address them will be good. Please keep engaging with the people who are working with you in good faith, this is solid. It sucks that you're in this situation btw, like I said last night I don't envy you at all. It's not just forums drama for a lot of people involved and I think you realize that and are working to make it right. You better than most recognize that the online/IRL divide is gone in 2020 so I know you can get this. I don't even know if this is possible because of radiumcode, but reversing some of the autobans would also be cool - not necessary, I don't think anyone would be bad if you can't/didn't, but a lot of those folks autobanned because they thought things were going in a direction you clearly don't mean to take them.
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Lowtax posted:People were demanding action. They were saying poo poo should've been done weeks ago. I knew nothing about anything, except that people wanted an admin response NOW, so I attempted to address that. Things should have been done weeks ago, but couldn't because anyone who had full knowledge of the situation + some authority was afraid to act out of deference to you, who in turn (per your own words) had no idea what was going on. You busting in and instantly doing something, anything, isn't an ideal solution (obviously) but the problem is that the mods / admins who could have handled this the way it needed to be at the time couldn't or wouldn't.
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Paramemetic posted:Thanks for undoing the bans Lowtax, that's a good solid step. You're doing a lot of hedging to save face and stuff and that's understandable but not really necessary. Your actions are going to be what are remembered here and not the posts. Undoing the bans is good, listening to posters' concerns and address them will be good. Reverse the autobans. Those are valued people who were upset by a very unnecessary action.
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Tashilicious posted:Why are so many fyad posters coming out, now, over a month later, and trying to plead in various threads and PMs about understanding and getting along? I will say, given how many of the complaints HERE date back to decisions about LF and how eager people are to bail to Discord while things blow over, I think it's entirely possible that the process of closing and then reopening FYAD with... questionable new moderation led to only the angriest/least ironic FYAD posters being around to power post. There presumably actually ARE a lot of lapsed, lurker, or less active FYAD users, probably a good number turned off it because of the group that started the whole mess/jumped right back in to vindicate themselves when it reopened, who are now looking at it as a question of their own last chance. Having thought on it more, knowing in other situations a good number of perfectly decent people who were the first ones actual bigots drove out of their shitposting dens but who still mourn the loss and wish it could be wound back, closing FYAD was a bad choice and it should've gotten a deep but precise scrub. But I'm not sure there's a way right now to quickly work back to a point where anyone coming from there is believable without an existing personal relationship, or to a point where here people feel like they can go "uhh yikes this thread's culture has gone off the deep end" instead of "close the forum, ban the negative postcounts." Especially because the choice to make D&D centrist central and C-SPAM "lefty fyadlite, also I guess the heir to a lost age of left effortposting" means that when unrelated things go wrong here (like that separation) we're left with the same old fyadlite model of nominating a superstar to buzz in the admins' ear until we get either a "oh so you weren't joking" or "shut up, forever" - the notion of what we are means concerns are just the usual rumble of shitposting until rules are broken and someone either gets the glory or gets completely strung up pour encourager les autres, neither of which makes for a stable forum.
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Hey, Lowtax. The only thing I'm going to say is before you start punishing people next time, make sure you understand why they need to be punished, and then punish them if needed. Don't do it just because someone is asking you to fix everything RIGHT NOW. To achieve that, seek out and talk to as many people involved who are willing to discuss issues with you.
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Mandoric posted:I will say, given how many of the complaints HERE date back to decisions about LF and how eager people are to bail to Discord while things blow over, I think it's entirely possible that the process of closing and then reopening FYAD with... questionable new moderation led to only the angriest/least ironic FYAD posters being around to power post. There presumably actually ARE a lot of lapsed, lurker, or less active FYAD users, probably a good number turned off it because of the group that started the whole mess/jumped right back in to vindicate themselves when it reopened, who are now looking at it as a question of their own last chance. fyad was closed because the posters would literally not be able to stop themselves from posting new thransphobic slur/attack threads when the previous ones got locked.
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thanks very much for undoing the bans, and for the announcementNichael posted:Reverse the autobans. Those are valued people who were upset by a very unnecessary action. this would be appreciated too
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Thank you for unbanning the trans posters Taxman. It's a positive step. I have faith that things will get sorted even if there are missteps, you arent a bad guy at heart.
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