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TNG does feel timeless despite being aggressively 90s and I can't explain why
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Jan 2, 2020 02:18
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Why would you hatewatch anything in this era when we are drowning in audiovisual media.
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Jan 2, 2020 02:18
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Arglebargle III posted:Why would you hatewatch anything in this era when we are drowning in audiovisual media.
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Jan 2, 2020 02:19
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Alan_Shore posted:TNG does feel timeless despite being aggressively 90s and I can't explain why
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Jan 2, 2020 02:34
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Astroman posted:Reducing cancel/resubs would be harder, but they could just put in restrictions like other businesses have. You can't keep signing up for and cancelling credit cards with the same company to reap intro bonus points for example They could limit resubs in a yearly period, or just make resubs more expensive. Maybe you are a new subscriber you pay What they'll do is is increase the monthly fee, and grandfather you in to the old rate until you cancel/suspend your account. Netflix will probably be the first to do this, they have a good rep for delivering content people want to watch, so keeping them around for a couple of months until new stuff comes out will be a relatively easy decision.
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Jan 2, 2020 03:02
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a month, but if you are coming back after a cancellation you have to pay $15 and they'll say $15 is the "normal" rate and $10 is the "special new sub" rate like with cable companies or cell phone companies with steep discounts for new users that longterm customers don't get to have.
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Alan_Shore posted:TNG does feel timeless despite being aggressively 90s and I can't explain why Even the stuff that does feel very dated is mostly from the first two seasons. Beige cruise liner aesthetic or not, the show still looks better than everything else from that era in every way.
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Jan 2, 2020 03:06
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Arglebargle III posted:Why would you hatewatch anything in this era when we are drowning in audiovisual media.
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Jan 2, 2020 03:11
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Well, don't do that.
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Jan 2, 2020 03:19
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Big Mean Jerk posted:BSG also manages to feel way more “of its time” than TNG somehow. Yeah it definitely has very powerful post-9/11 energy.
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Jan 2, 2020 03:54
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Nessus posted:It seems like the Mouse's recipe for success was to make a decent product, market it heavily, and then not stop doing part one even when they encountered hitches and bumps.They do have unique strength for "marketing it heavily" but it seems you can apply that principle in other realms. The other part of it was to just take their drat time on the sequels and team-ups, rather than trying to cram in a bunch of main characters immediately like DC and that "Dark Universe" blech.
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Jan 2, 2020 05:07
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Roadie posted:The other part of it was to just take their drat time on the sequels and team-ups, rather than trying to cram in a bunch of main characters immediately like DC and that "Dark Universe" blech. Confidence counts for a lot, I think. Nobody likes watching desperate flailing with billion-dollar budgets.
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Jan 2, 2020 05:45
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Roadie posted:The other part of it was to just take their drat time on the sequels and team-ups, rather than trying to cram in a bunch of main characters immediately like DC and that "Dark Universe" blech.
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Jan 2, 2020 06:00
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I liked BSG a lot at the time but trying to rewatch it multiple times over the past few years has left me cold towards most of it. By the last season some of the big emotional confrontations between Adama and Tigh feel laughable and the whole production emanates a powerful high school drama club energy
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Jan 2, 2020 06:41
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BS9 had a lot of filler due to the longer season lengths past S1, and you can really tell that RDM really was making it up as he went along with the whole "CYLONS HAVE A PLAN" or "OMG AM I A CYLON???" mystery box Jar Jar Abrams style bullshit that never pays off. I would not recommend anyone watch the series past New Caprica arc now.
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Jan 2, 2020 06:48
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Alan_Shore posted:TNG does feel timeless despite being aggressively 90s and I can't explain why Whenever you read about TNG early concepts so much of it was based around imagining what a future society with TOS technology +100 years might be like and then building the crew, ship, and stories around that. It means that there is some weirdness in the first season, but it's also a really solid world building foundation that many shows don't have.
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Jan 2, 2020 12:11
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It helps that TNG's aesthetic of touchscreens everywhere and handheld tablets ended up being a pretty good prediction of modern technology styles.
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Jan 2, 2020 12:23
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Except for the fact the TNG tablets all seem to be single use.
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Jan 2, 2020 13:45
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Epicurius posted:Except for the fact the TNG tablets all seem to be single use.
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Jan 2, 2020 14:18
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Been said, but given that replicating a new PADD is basically as easy as printing off a sheet of paper, and they're all generally linked to the mainframe except maybe for personal ones, I figure it makes sense to make as many as a task might need, especially if you're gonna be handing it off to someone. (also explains why busy officers have a desk covered with them)
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Jan 2, 2020 14:54
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We've seen plenty of cases where someone is like 'oh have you seen the [whatever]' and then picks up the nearest PADD and punches a few buttons to pull up what they were talking about and hands it over, so they're clearly capable of being arbitrary.
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Jan 2, 2020 15:16
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Instead of toilet paper you use the three PADDs
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Jan 2, 2020 15:19
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Instead of toilet paper you use the three PADDs It used to only be three, now it takes ten or twelve. Not for me of course, but you!
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Jan 2, 2020 15:23
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Right now on my desk I have a smartphone, a laptop, and a chromebook and I'm using them all. So, yeah, a handful of PADDs doesn't seem all that outlandish. The real reason, of course, is it's just storytelling parlance to show a busy person with a crowded desk and using paper would seem silly. Someone going through a bunch of tabs on their computer doesn't quite have the same visual impact. bull3964 fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Jan 2, 2020 |
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Jan 2, 2020 15:32
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I want to buy an iPad just for the explicit purpose of telling people to GO AWAY.
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Jan 2, 2020 15:38
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There is less utility to having a second or third monitor than there is to multiple PADDs and that's relatively common.
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Jan 2, 2020 15:45
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fyi DS9 will now be shown on BBC America.
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Jan 2, 2020 15:59
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That owns, BBCA does like full-day Trek marathons on the reg. e: which rules but is honestly a bit weird for a channel that normally shows nothing but UK shows like Dr. Who
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Jan 2, 2020 16:07
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Snow Cone Capone posted:That owns, BBCA does like full-day Trek marathons on the reg. They are doing one right now. They are calling it a "battles" day but I'm not sure all the episodes qualify for that heading. They just finished "Yesterday's Enterprise", now it's BOBW 1&2. After that, "Redemption 1&2", "Cause and Effect", "Genesis", "All Good Things 1 & 2" before starting into DS9. At least today though, they aren't going from the beginning are following along with the same theme.
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Jan 2, 2020 16:15
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Snow Cone Capone posted:That owns, BBCA does like full-day Trek marathons on the reg. and TNG.
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Jan 2, 2020 16:15
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bull3964 posted:Right now on my desk I have a smartphone, a laptop, and a chromebook and I'm using them all. It would be hilarious though to have some newbie approach a senior officer and be like "hey, can I talk to you about--" and the officer just turns a PADD towards them, screen chock-full of flashing notification tabs. Then she continues walking down the corridor, without a word.
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Jan 2, 2020 17:03
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Mooseontheloose posted:and TNG. Yeah I meant the collective Trek, they jump between TNG and VOY (and TOS? I can't remember)
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Jan 2, 2020 17:06
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Rewatching "The Best of Both Worlds" for the umpteenth time. It's really crazy how well this nearly 30 year old episode of TV holds up today. The cinematography is about the only thing that's pedestrian by today's standards. Other than that though, the writing, pacing, editing, and acting remains on point. Even the special effects are good by today's standards and would actually beat some of the budget CGI that's on genre TV. TNG really is a timeless classic. Its a shame that they weren't shooting in widescreen in the early 90s as that's really the old thing that dates it. The HD remaster really helps with this too, it helps you forget how old the show is and it's a drat shame that DS9 (and yes, even Voyager) aren't going to get the same treatment. It's going to be really jarring on this BBC-A marathon to go from HD TNG episodes to SD DS9 episodes.
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Jan 2, 2020 17:13
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bull3964 posted:Rewatching "The Best of Both Worlds" for the umpteenth time. It's really crazy how well this nearly 30 year old episode of TV holds up today. The cinematography is about the only thing that's pedestrian by today's standards. Other than that though, the writing, pacing, editing, and acting remains on point. Even the special effects are good by today's standards and would actually beat some of the budget CGI that's on genre TV. It has a low key great Troi moment in it that also tells you how much they waste the character. Her telling Riker in part 1 that it's inappropriate for him to lead the away team. Cool, calm, collected but also willing to stand up to someone when they are making a wrong decision. So many great moments in that episode obviously but I think its a scene that deserves another look.
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Jan 2, 2020 17:20
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Angry Salami posted:It helps that TNG's aesthetic of touchscreens everywhere and handheld tablets ended up being a pretty good prediction of modern technology styles. They're not touchscreens, they're just incredibly flat buttons. Which seems like less a technological prediction and more like lazy prop making. Also touchscreens are awful.
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Jan 2, 2020 17:21
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Shelby is also good and I wish that wasn’t her only appearance
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Jan 2, 2020 17:21
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SlothfulCobra posted:They're not touchscreens, they're just incredibly flat buttons. Which seems like less a technological prediction and more like lazy prop making. Flat buttons you say? What an absurd prediction!  
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Jan 2, 2020 17:23
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SlothfulCobra posted:They're not touchscreens, they're just incredibly flat buttons. Which seems like less a technological prediction and more like lazy prop making. They aren't, though, because IN THEORY the LCARS buttons would rearrange themselves anywhere on the screen as needed. Obviously we didn't see that much for practical reasons
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Jan 2, 2020 17:26
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The Bloop posted:They aren't, though, because IN THEORY the LCARS buttons would rearrange themselves anywhere on the screen as needed. You actually see this kind of thing in a lot of modern software design, where the top action bar or whatever changes to suit what you're doing at the moment (MS Office comes to mind as the biggest example)
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Jan 2, 2020 17:27
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FlamingLiberal posted:Shelby is also good and I wish that wasn’t her only appearance I think that also dates the show just a smidge. In a streaming service era, shelby would have a few appearances here and there. It works on one level since the character won't get ruined but on the other hand she was a great addition and good shake up to the episode it worked well.
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Jan 2, 2020 17:28
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I am kind of curious if there's a user interface we haven't even thought of yet, like something so out of left field or fringe physics/materials science that we can't even posit its technological use at present. What if the next "button" is something incomprehensibly more straightforward and elegant than our clumsy meeting of the physical and electronic at present? I don't even know what to suggest, because anything that I can think of has invariably already been thought of today, let alone the 24th century.
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