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Stevefin posted:Its already being spun as this is the green fault and their shadow council of power. the areas that have not been affected by bushfire have been bombed in this propaganda, You can see it in that tweet video where he just walks away from the locals that people are giving them death threats since they are 'greenies' Well anyone who goes around spouting that poo poo you likely weren't going to convince in the first place.
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Milo and POTUS posted:Well anyone who goes around spouting that poo poo you likely weren't going to convince in the first place. Plenty of people are just ignorant. I'm in Qld and had a busy xmas, so while I saw some stuff about the fires being bad I really didn't get the scope of it or why everyone was blowing up at scummo until I started looking into it. It would have been easy to hear some sound bites about the greens and just roll with it out of ignorance.
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Memento posted:I don't think I've ever seen more than one or two "evacuate now" warnings on emergency.vic.gov.au There's also three "It's too late to evacuate, get inside and hope for the best, don't wait for help because it's not coming" warnings Edit:   Edit: we're now up to nine "Evacuate now" warnings Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 08:06 on Jan 3, 2020 |
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Methanar posted:I don't know how fire works. You did your best to couch this in all kinds of layers of "I could be wrong" but seriously this is not coming from a place of genuine curiosity you're just being a oval office. No one is this stupid.
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Woden posted:Plenty of people are just ignorant. "Some people are just ignorant" needs to stop being a valid explanation for this poo poo. These people have access to all of the world's information at their fingertips. Can we at least call it willfully ignorant, or even better, stupid?
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In Sydney, donated $50 to the NSW RFS. Will consider more over the coming days, or at least when my pay comes through. I met a young uni student a few weeks ago who genuinely thinks all these fires are due to arson and 'climate change has nothing to do with it'. I don't understand how anyone can be so stupid and it makes me feel hopeless for the future.
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My dad owns a flat in Falls Creek right behind the Emergency Services building. He decided a long time ago not to go up there this Holidays. I was planning on going up there in late January because it's usually nice and cool compared to Melbourne. Then I was going to drive across the range, come down the NSW side and go over to Canberra via the Kosciusko national park. I'm not doing that anymore, not this year. The mountain was starting to recover from the fires in 2009  They have snow guns that are awesome at stopping fires. However, I'm worried if they lose power (from the power stations that are in deep gorges down the mountain) the whole resort would go with it. Nothing can be done about it except confirm he's got insurance on it. It's just a holiday flat he rents out during winter, but I'm worried we'll never be able to use out of Winter again. First World Problems I know.
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Comstar posted:My dad owns a flat in Falls Creek right behind the Emergency Services building. He decided a long time ago not to go up there this Holidays. I was planning on going up there in late January because it's usually nice and cool compared to Melbourne. Then I was going to drive across the range, come down the NSW side and go over to Canberra via the Kosciusko national park. even stalin had a dacha, comrade
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ewe2 posted:You can't fire-break for a firestorm anyway, it's creating its own wind, throwing embers far ahead of it, and sucking up oxygen which further propels it along. These firestorms are also attacking territory very rarely touched by fire, unheard-of places like the west of Tasmania and the Snowy Mountains, places you associate with snow rather than fire. To add to this, it's been so hot and dry that subtropical rain forests in Queensland and Northern NSW that have never burned before have gone up in flames.
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So apparently this is the largest peacetime evacuation to take place in Australia. Anyone remaining tonight is being urged to leave now. Tomorrow is predicted to be horrific, worse than NYE. Ten people are confirmed dead, 8 in NSW and 2 in Victoria with 28 people unaccounted for in East Gippsland. The Eyre highway across the Nullarbor linking Western Australia to South Australia is still closed and it's very possible that they will face shortages and could run out of supplies there.
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Helith posted:So apparently this is the largest peacetime evacuation to take place in Australia. Anyone remaining tonight is being urged to leave now. Tomorrow is predicted to be horrific, worse than NYE. And Kangaroo Island off the coast of SA has gone up.
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Hello I have a general question for gridlocked or any other goon that works with a regional fire service bc I’m drunk and arguing on Facebook. I’m trying to find a better source than a bunch of twitter screenshots posted by ‘Australian young greens’. This is the Facebook post I’m looking for verification for https://www.facebook.com/163311070369261/posts/3079150745451931/?d=n more specifically the idea that fire service personal have the freedom to override council ‘green tape’ (quick break to have a shower after typing out that phrase) when human safety is concerned and this ability is more or less concrete within each state bc it makes perfect sense for it to be tbh despite how sad it makes me. If it’s bullshit that’s fine I guess I just wanna be informed bc I’m in a wild life protection area and that owns but I also don’t want to die and I’d like to help the greens actually get a councillor elected in my ward and also id like to at least know what the QLD version of this failsafe is if it exists Jezza of OZPOS fucked around with this message at 11:30 on Jan 3, 2020 |
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The fires around the Falls Creek/Omeo area just got upgraded from "Evacuate immediately if you can" to "Too late to get out, bunker down now" status. The fires are expected to hit the Omeo township at around midnight, which is in about two and a half hours. Edit: tomorrow's going to suck, conditions will be at least as bad as NYE and maybe even worse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LLu-wW0Aa0 Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 12:01 on Jan 3, 2020 |
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Malcolm Turnbeug posted:Hello I have a general question for gridlocked or any other goon that works with a regional fire service bc I’m drunk and arguing on Facebook. I’m trying to find a better source than a bunch of twitter screenshots posted by ‘Australian young greens’. This is the Facebook post I’m looking for verification for https://twitter.com/jagungal1/status/1212944504216403968 Read the whole thread
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Malcolm Turnbeug posted:Hello I have a general question for gridlocked or any other goon that works with a regional fire service bc I’m drunk and arguing on Facebook. I’m trying to find a better source than a bunch of twitter screenshots posted by ‘Australian young greens’. This is the Facebook post I’m looking for verification for I'm not sure what you're asking for exactly but I heard straight from RFS in QLD and a very experienced bloke in Vic Forestry's that more-or-less what the guy from twitter said is true. The evil mythical green tape that prevents hazard reduction doesn't exist in the form that is memetically perpetuated by the Australian community. The vast vast vast majority of the paperwork associated with hazard reduction burning is related to safety of surrounding property, personnel and making sure as many measure as possible are put in place to prevent the burn from going out of control (which is getting increasingly difficult now days thanks to climate change). The same restrictions on these burns have been in place for a long time they have not changed, simply the window for safe burns has been drastically reduced. For your area, for example, being a wild life protection area the question asked will be "Does conducting a hazard reduction burn reduce the risk of people or homes being endangered from Moderate or higher downwards?" If the answer is yes they will look at implementing a burn during a safe period. Part of the process for this may involve sweeping the area to safely remove said protected animals and relocate them to a safer area during the burn, but their presence will not necessarily prevent the burn from going ahead if it's needed so badly. I would suggest asking exceptionally heroic Goon and CFA member Tomberforce in the AusPol thread or maybe here if he is lurking. It maybe more concrete from him rather than my 2nd hand info as the only thing I have to back up my claim is "I was told by fireies I was working with during a fire."
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munce posted:A good map to see the current fires: this is fine
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Oh boy 6000 views! Thank you for paying attention Goons. It means a lot to us to know the world is watching and cares about our problem. Thank you for the donations being given to our aid and emergency services organisations.  If you are from outside Australia I implore you to share what is happening with your friends and family. As the internet begins to panic about World War 3 kicking off our country is already under siege. Make no mistake this is a war. We have front lines and fallback positions, attack and defensive strategies, brave hero's and tragic casualties. Any support you can lend to this fight whether it is to the fire front or to tackling the root cause of the blazes is welcomed and deeply, deeply appreciated.
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Gridlocked posted:I'm not sure what you're asking for exactly I'm real drunk and high and after posting I realised I could just vet this dudes twitter to make sure its legit and post the actual thread without the "young greens" facebook tag in order to make my point in the facebook argument so more or less i'm kind of asking for exactly what you gave me in that post, thanks! I guess in a more theoretical sense I'm more interested in how council laws interact with structures and organizations that operate on a larger scale than the council area. Its relevant here and now to this facebook argument but also to the general bee in my rear end in a top hat about cocacola mining water off of tambourine mountain I post about sometimes in auspol. I'm aware this is well beyond your kenning and I'm probably better off chatting around at the rfs to find someone who volunteers for a brigade who is also a lawyer of some sort to chew the ear off of about it.
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Gridlocked posted:And Kangaroo Island off the coast of SA has gone up. 
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On KI the CFS incident team managing the fire has had to pull out of Parndana (a town in the centre of the island and the only major town inland). Edit: Looks like the power is being cut to the western half of the island RichardA fucked around with this message at 12:49 on Jan 3, 2020 |
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Malcolm Turnbeug posted:I'm real drunk and high and after posting I realised I could just vet this dudes twitter to make sure its legit and post the actual thread without the "young greens" facebook tag in order to make my point in the facebook argument so more or less i'm kind of asking for exactly what you gave me in that post, thanks! I guess in a more theoretical sense I'm more interested in how council laws interact with structures and organizations that operate on a larger scale than the council area. Its relevant here and now to this facebook argument but also to the general bee in my rear end in a top hat about cocacola mining water off of tambourine mountain I post about sometimes in auspol. I'm aware this is well beyond your kenning and I'm probably better off chatting around at the rfs to find someone who volunteers for a brigade who is also a lawyer of some sort to chew the ear off of about it. It's laws and regulations so its complicated, but you can start here: Qld Government vegetation clearing requirements https://www.qld.gov.au/environment/land/management/vegetation/clearing Clearing exemptions https://www.qld.gov.au/environment/land/management/vegetation/exemptions Under the exemptions you can see fire management is exempt from requiring a permit - eg Fire management line Clearing for a necessary fire management line to a maximum width of 10m. Firebreaks Clearing to establish or maintain a necessary firebreak to protect buildings and structures (other than fences, roads and tracks) to a maximum width of 20m or 1.5 times the height of the tallest adjacent tree, whichever is the greater. Hazardous fuel load reduction Clearing by fire to reduce hazardous fuel load under the Fire and Emergency Services Act 1990. These are the general regulations, there's probably some more that are specific to the emergency services.
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In a few decades Australia is going to be a mythical place we tell children about, like Atlantis, only on fire instead of under the sea.
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Well, there goes the last major Koala population without chlamydia. A shitton of other things too, Kangaroo Island was incredibly important for conservation efforts, we wiped foxes and rabbits and only allowed sterilised cats and then transplanted a buttload of species there to grow. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 13:26 on Jan 3, 2020 |
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That Dang Lizard posted:I'm in Adelaide. We had just opened up the house as a cool weather front has just moved in, but had to shut everything again about 10 minutes later due to a sudden wave of ash blowing in from KI. It must be bad over there. Oh poo poo when you say write off please say you don't mean "we're abandoning the island"?
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munce posted:It's laws and regulations so its complicated, but you can start here: thank you, this is a good jumping off point for me at the very least for now.
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Laserface posted:here is a (long) paper about how we were all rip roaring to get stuck into climate action 20 years ago, but then someone (Murdoch and the mining industry) decided we shouldnt. Murdoch has done so much loving damage to the world
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Gridlocked posted:Oh poo poo when you say write off please say you don't mean "we're abandoning the island"? not looking so good for the west side of the island. Don't know where the people are though. 
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