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obama is a neolib who a bunch of us thought was a workers champion and he's actively ready to sabatoge bernie not to even mention all the brown families he- Box of Bunnies posted:Watchmen Universe Obama would take Veidt up on his offer for assistance and drop tactical squid strikes on
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Examples: "Obummer can keep the Change" - big dipshit - white supremacist as hell - I will tell him Obama is great "Obama squandered the planet's last chance of avoiding total climate collapse, and also authorized the ICE facilities that detain infants and children" - woke - this is a guy who knows what's up - he is a bad president "Dr Manhattan looked stupid and they talk about Eggs too much" - this poster lives in the suburbs - probably says they're fiscally conservative and socially liberal - IGNORE "Lindelof lost his vision when he shifted focus from racial injustice to Blue Man Strong" - can't believe how big that poster's bulge is - can you be gay but just for one person, based on their great opinion? - hope they do season 2 haha
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:Examples:
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I watched this again and it's still really good. 
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I've missed pages and pages of this thread but I just realized the perfect video game comparison we could make for the Watchmen show that would make total sense to people who have read about, played, and understand the controversy surrounding... Far Cry 4. Watchmen is Far Cry 4. Both pieces of media seemed like they were going to be woke and smartly take down a portion of the American population but instead both pieces of media ended up being dumbly entertaining without any depth to its moral standards. But in the end they were both good.
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4 was the one in Himalayan mountains, are you sure you don't mean 5? Also comparing a piece of media to Far Cry 5 is the most damning indictment of it's execution I can imagine.
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DaveKap posted:I've missed pages and pages of this thread but I just realized the perfect video game comparison we could make for the Watchmen show that would make total sense to people who have read about, played, and understand the controversy surrounding... Far Cry 4. This is super unfair to Watchmen. It did have something to say, and said it well, it just went on to do a bunch of stupid poo poo after that.
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I feel like eps 5 and 6 (Looking Glass and Hooded Justice) were the best offerings but for slightly different reasons: Looking Glass gave us a deep dive on a new character dealing directly with the consequences of the original comic; and Hooded Justice took an underutilised legacy character and gave them an ingenius and new life. That's not to say the main story and characters of 1-4 and 7-9 are totally bunk, but I feel like the series generally having a philosophy more focused on expanding on what had been done and looking at the consequences of Watchmen itself through old/new characters would have been better overall.
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DaveKap posted:I've missed pages and pages of this thread but I just realized the perfect video game comparison we could make for the Watchmen show that would make total sense to people who have read about, played, and understand the controversy surrounding... Far Cry 4. *scrunching up face really hard in thought* prestige television is like...videogame
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Sleeveless posted:prestige television Lol, what the heck is this? Besides an oxymoron of course
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:You'd think, but literally 100% of people who are eager to say Obama Bad or Watchman Sucks hate minorities Watchmen sucks almost as much as white people
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Mulva posted:4 was the one in Himalayan mountains, are you sure you don't mean 5?
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Primal is the best Far Cry. Lubeman is the best superhero.
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Please don't associate Lubeman with embarrassing takes.
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Regina King and Tim Blake Nelson were really phenomenal in this. I was kinda meh on them making a Watchmen sequel series, but it was worth it to see these two actors elevate the material, which already had that Lindelof punch.
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The amount of LF style posting in this thread the whole time is amazing, especially when you have multiple posters using the term 'neoliberal' completely incorrectly. Anyway, show started strong, then went a direction that wasn't as strong, and the execution of it faltered, even if it was trying something interesting and had great moments (and some very, very dumb ones) throughout. I don't want to generalize Lindelof's skill, but out of the 5 productions I've seen of his, that's a definite pattern. Stephen King vibes where you roll out a bunch of fruitful ideas and setup and then don't really have more than a basic endpoint in mind and kind of wander on over to it.
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The first ten pages of this thread are gold. Kudos to the goons calling a lot of the payoffs and lol at the goon who jumped on team Rorschach before seeing the first ep and the other goon who was disappointed it wasn’t the Boys. 
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Deleted scene of LG taking out the 7C https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_XLQDeYqpE&t=72s
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Captain Splendid posted:Deleted scene of LG taking out the 7C I was hoping someone else would recognize good old Buster Scruggs. I love that grin he flashes after killing the first guy. And when he gets the last one, light shines through the bullet hole.
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Show needed more Bunny Colvin as the newspaper vendor too. He was great in what little we saw of him, his interaction with Veidt at the end was great. Hope he didn’t die in the squid bullets assault.
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When this show started I though it was going to be about climate change to some degree since the original was written under the threat of nuclear Armageddon, doomsday clock at 2 minutes to midnight and well, it’s at 2 minutes to midnight now, so that’s the logical thing for a 2019 watchmen sequel to at least mention. The name of the first episode (it’s summer and we’re running out of ice) reinforced that impression to me as did the bits in the previews of veidt/triue talking about ominous plans to save humanity from itself. But then obvs it didn’t go there at all and a lot of the clock ticking imagery seems kindof an empty callback in retrospect.
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This is a lyric taken from "Poor Jud is Dead" - a song from Oklahoma! (which Judd watched). Also: Jud hanged himself.
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Yeah but that wouldn’t exclude other possibilities.
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massive spider posted:When this show started I though it was going to be about climate change to some degree since the original was written under the threat of nuclear Armageddon, doomsday clock at 2 minutes to midnight and well, it’s at 2 minutes to midnight now, so that’s the logical thing for a 2019 watchmen sequel to at least mention. In a world where all cars have been electric since the 1960s, climate change isn't really as much of a thing.
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Replacing all cars with electric cars would be nice but it still probably wouldn't significantly change the equation. The power plants may be (probably are) still largely coal and natural gas. Cows still fart and corn is the biggest crop. There's a serious carbon overhead to making electric cars. There's still plenty of manufactured crap. People still fly planes.
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Nail Rat posted:Replacing all cars with electric cars would be nice but it still probably wouldn't significantly change the equation. The power plants may be (probably are) still largely coal and natural gas. Cows still fart and corn is the biggest crop. There's a serious carbon overhead to making electric cars. There's still plenty of manufactured crap. People still fly planes. It would literally eliminate 75% of carbon-monoxide emissions. 
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:It would literally eliminate 75% of carbon-monoxide emissions. Well not if all the cars are getting their electricity from coal plants. A country where all transportation needs are electric would have to rely on nuclear or some sort of future Dr. M invented source of electricity to meet that kind of demand though.
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Bird in a Blender posted:Well not if all the cars are getting their electricity from coal plants. A country where all transportation needs are electric would have to rely on nuclear or some sort of future Dr. M invented source of electricity to meet that kind of demand though. 
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Batteries don't produce power. Also Dr M hasn't been producing lithium for decades. And transportation emissions are only 26% of greenhouse gas emissions.
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Well then in that case yeah I guess the climate change angle would have been an interesting one, but not all relevant to the story they wanted to tell.
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Looking Glass was obsessed with Climate Change. He was studying all those squids from the sky like crazy.
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Sleeveless posted:The only real meaningful thing we've seen him done all season is oppose letting the cops act violently, he's literally a teddy bear. They probably went with a panda because they're cuter and generally seen as less dangerous (plus it lets them avoid the race connotation of someone named Black Bear) but regardless he's a big friendly stuffed animal among a bunch of violent action figures. (I know this is really late, but:) Also, "Panda" is a common slang term used by cops for black & white patrol cars driven by beat cops. But the above is a really good analysis, too, and I hadn't really considered it, myself, but it works. He's the one consistently not-gung-ho cop on the force that isn't endorsing violence as a solution to problems, but an accelerant. Oh, I just realized another one. He's a desk cop, so being the one vegetarian bear works there, too (as 'vegetarian' is a term I've seen in a few places for strictly in-office cops). This was a really good show, I avoided it until just a few days ago, thinking it'd be another shitfest like the Snyder film, thus my lateness as I go through the thread. Season 2 should only be made if it means more Lube Man.
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Felt Ozymandias's characterization was off but not really being able to explain why until he started throwing levers and my wife said "Jeremy Irons would make a good Doctor (Who)." That's exactly what was going on there.
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Jay-V posted:Wow good catch on his name. Also, "Excalibur" is the name of Laurie's Dr. Manhattan dildo. So you have: Quoting from over a hundred pages back because holy poo poo is this an incredible way to stumble onto the reveal.
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A man, a plan, a canal - Panama!
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You may all already know this, but Alan Moore did an interview on Chapo. It's actually pretty interesting. Existentialism, magic, anarchy, Lovecraft. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCm0wfAochA&t=2187s America Inc. fucked around with this message at 05:51 on Jan 16, 2020 |
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Minrad posted:me before watching this show: a watchmen spinoff is wholly unnecessary dc: but don't you want to know how all of our heroes became who they are? fanbase: you mean all the backstory world-building ancillary stuff in the book already? dc: yes but 37 issues of that done worse..where are you going? how about dr manhattan meets all our current running books in watchmen: the sequel(s)? everyone is dr manhattan now, bathattan, supermanhattan, all dc comics are now watchmen related. fanbase: well that all sounds horrible dc: what about a lovely beat 'em up game? you know to capitalize on the parts of the book about kicking people's asses, the stuff people remember fanbase: are you ok? alan moore: *grumbles loudly from inside a cave*
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did anyone mention how they gave osterman a downton abbey flashback story to make the clone arc work what a weird-rear end show all around but hey, the awful movie got a ton of people to read the book...so will this thing. can we talk about how incredible the book is some more? how many of you picked up on what "fearful symmetry" was doing? i didn't notice it on my first 5 reads until i saw a breakdown of it somewhere and it blew my mind don't click this if you haven't read the book (or i guess watched the bad movie version of it?) https://medium.com/@pedrovribeiro/fearful-symmetry-almost-frame-by-frame-9a20c77651bd
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