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Glenn Quebec posted:Oh I fuckin wonder why Me Neimoidian Me play joke Me pave way For Supreme Leader Snoke
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George Lucas: Where were you 20 years ago that's some exciting dialogue
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Incursus posted:So do directors pretty much tell the writers what to write? I thought it was a separate team that writes the plot, and the director makes the movie happen. Gutcruncher posted:JJ was co-writer on Star Wars and Star Trek, but even if the director isn’t writing a single word their interpretation of the script is what we wind up seeing. A well written script can wind up being a poo poo movie and vice versa. There is no scenario where someone directing a Disney movie has final cut, so JJ’s involvement is almost secondary. He probably shot forty seven takes of everything from every angle possible, and the movie that ended up on the screen was actually made by an extremely compliant editor in a room full of cigar smoking executives.
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I ahh-shoowre you awre bwokade of Taiwan is pewfectry regal.
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Jan 3, 2020 18:23
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Blistex posted:It's pretty amazing how JJ has managed to taint the Canon of the two largest sci-fi franchises of all time. happyhippy posted:Next stop, Babylon 5! Also, next summer Cylons with more lensflare!
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Jan 3, 2020 18:33
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Why can't these stupid aliens speak proper English like the rest of us? Should back where they came from.
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happyhippy posted:Next stop, Babylon 5! It’s perfect really “Chosen one” protagonist Clear cut bad guys Space battles all over the place Just flush those pesky politics down the toilet and you’re good to go! waah posted:Also, next summer Cylons with more lensflare! Was about to make a joke that JJ would at least put out a decent ending for BSG but then I remembered Rise of Skywalker and lol
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Owlbear Camus posted:Didn't the director they brought on for Star Trek 12 have to have it explained to him that Geordi wasn't some kind of alien? had he never seen a black man before or?
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sassassin posted:Why can't these stupid aliens speak proper English like the rest of us? “People who speak with accents deserve to be mocked.” -A Goon
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Just thinking about seeing ‘and they have a plan’ on something written by JJ
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One thing I always thought was cool about Darth Vader was how he seemed to have a pretty good working relationship with the enlisted soldiers. I mean he'd be on the battlefield right with them, whenever there was a space wizard on the board he'd handle it himself instead of sending them all to their deaths, and when they hosed up he'd just get mad and tell them to fix it. Whereas with the officers he'd just start choking them to set up a bad pun (which is justified imo)
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Moola posted:had he never seen a black man before or? Pretty sure he kept calling him Laverne instead of his name as well.
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christmas boots posted:One thing I always thought was cool about Darth Vader was how he seemed to have a pretty good working relationship with the enlisted soldiers. I mean he'd be on the battlefield right with them, whenever there was a space wizard on the board he'd handle it himself instead of sending them all to their deaths, and when they hosed up he'd just get mad and tell them to fix it. Whereas with the officers he'd just start choking them to set up a bad pun (which is justified imo) Then in the prequels, comics and rogue one he's portrayed as a mass murdering child killing psycho wakka wakka!
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I was about to complain that the sequel lightsaber fights all suck but then realized that's the case for every duel in the entire series, just a bunch of boring swordplay where everyone whacks each other's blade.
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I liked the Saber fight in TFA. It had the thing you need for a saber fight to be good which isn't flashy flips or gee whiz choreography, but characters and stakes we care about. Finn standing up to Kylo in an act that culminated his (sadly later vandalized) TFA arc of scared defector to bold protector. Rey picking up the saber and finally answering the call and uh awakening to the force. It was pretty good. The Snokeroom fight in TLJ was... whatever, but the Kylo-Skywalker one was neat even if you could gripe it's a "fake-out," since it showed us a novel force power and an incredibly angry Kylo. None of the fights in ROS were super memorable to me. The one beat I remember liking is a really nice underplayed comic beat where Ben gets the lightsaber teleported to him and gives the KoR a sort of quick "yeah now what do somethinga bout it, not so strong when I have a weapon too" shrug gesture.
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Roman Reigns posted:[Babylon 5]  Owlbear Camus posted:I liked the Saber fight in TFA. It had the thing you need for a saber fight to be good which isn't flashy flips or gee whiz choreography Luckily they buried any possible amount of story under that anyway. TFA would be a better film if it was shoegaze teenagers instead of space. The lightsaber fight is Kylo decking Finn in a parking lot and Rey flies in from off-camera and kicks him in the nuts. Same exact story, much more appropriate filmmaking for that story.
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^^^^ Does shoegaze have some other meaning that's not the music?? Just saw this movie. I heard people were saying it was the worst Star Wars movie made and was surprised that it was pretty okay? Like easily better than the last movie with the casino and the titty milk. Better than Solo, so top 3 of the new ones for me. Haven't seen TFA in a long while to maybe even top 2! Who knows! Can someone bullet-point the big deal-breakers? Like Palpatine being alive with a load of spaceships just hanging with a stadium full of his weird friends? Okay. Kinda weird.
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Kazak posted:I was about to complain that the sequel lightsaber fights all suck but then realized that's the case for every duel in the entire series, just a bunch of boring swordplay where everyone whacks each other's blade. To be fair this is almost every hollywood film with a sword fight. Purposefully taking turns swinging at each other's sword, and locking blades for no reason
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Damning with faint praise but it's the best star wars movie since the 1980s.
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why is it so hard to star a war right
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Shbobdb posted:Damning with faint praise but it's the best star wars movie since the 1980s. Rogue One, while not good, is better as an individual film than ROS. ROS has some flashes of something better underneath, but is trying to do too much in undoing VI, VII and VIII to retcon its action figures into the right playsets and raise stakes to levels that we can't possibly buy into, and never lets a single scene breathe. The prequels, while not good, are better as a three-act trilogy than the ST, which is at war with itself over the story it wants to tell and never really lets any individual thread take off. It reminds me of a creative writing exercise in middle school where you'd write for 5 minutes and pass your paper to the next kid. That kid could continue your story in good faith, or as was more often the case careen it into something they were more interested in a whiplash-inducing act of narrative hijacking.
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It's the fantasy problem. Lord of the Rings stole from old myths. D&D stole from Lord of the Rings and modern fantasy steals from D&D (now with boobies if they want to make it mature). However, Tolkien wrote a lot of stuff to mine for ideas and D&D has been producing stories of varying quality for a long time. Star Wars stole from old samurai and western movies and put them in space like an old serial. You can make good star wars by stealing from those (see:Mando). But these movies are star wars stealing from star wars and it's a real shallow bench. The prequels were just a case of being surrounded by yes men for decades when even at his peak Lucas needed a lot of criticism to make his projects work.
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Owlbear Camus posted:Rogue One, while not good, is better as an individual film than ROS. ROS has some flashes of something better underneath, but is trying to do too much in undoing VI, VII and VIII to retcon its action figures into the right playsets and raise stakes to levels that we can't possibly buy into, and never lets a single scene breathe. I can jive with that. I liked the sith as cenobites and since I just saw it I'm still on a bit of a star wars high. Plus Ian is an absolute treasure. I really enjoyed R1 and Solo so no real argument there. The prequels told a better story but it was so incompetently told it really doesn't matter. The cast of the sequel trilogy does a lot of heavy lifting because they dont have a lot to work with. Shbobdb fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Jan 3, 2020 |
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Shbobdb posted:I can jive with that. I liked the sith as cenobites and since I just saw it I'm still on a bit of a star wars high. Plus Ian is anti absolute treasure. I really enjoyed R1 and Solo so no real argument there. I can agree with all of this. The Sith temple stuff was all incredibly cool, and while I was in the theater with deliberately lowered expectations it was easy to just focus on what was in front of me and ignore the fact that bringing back Palpy was, if you care about the narrative integrity of your star wars, an almost obscene act of storytelling vandalism against RotJ's conclusion. At a minimum needed some kind of story and theme set up in TFA and TLJ to not just absolutely suck. Making him Grampa Palpy was also some just toilet garbage.
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Total hot garbage. The death star destroyers was also one of the most creatively bankrupt things imaginable. Grandpa palpy, the knife, kylo sacrificing himself, etc were all bad fanfiction tier, at best. But those visuals and that cast man, it was a lot of fun as long as you completely turned your brain off.
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Roman Reigns posted:It’s perfect really JJ is the king of, "what do we do for the ending. . . gently caress it!" 
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Moola posted:
han solo comes back as a force ghost so kylo ren can tell him he loves him and luke comes back as a force ghost so he can explain that all the stuff he did i nthe last movie was dumb and should be disregarded
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I thought it was pretty funny that they had Rey recreating scenes from Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings in this one too.  
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Moola posted:
Yes, but at least it's fun to watch. The same way that watching high schoolers attempting live theatre can be fun.
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Moola posted:Then in the prequels, comics and rogue one he's portrayed as a mass murdering child killing psycho He respects soldiers, not people.
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Owlbear Camus posted:The one beat I remember liking is a really nice underplayed comic beat where Ben gets the lightsaber teleported to him and gives the KoR a sort of quick "yeah now what do somethinga bout it, not so strong when I have a weapon too" shrug gesture. Adam Driver gave off some strong Keanu Reeves vibes in this one. I also liked the saber fight amongst the crashing waves, that was a neat setting. I also got a kick out of them both getting exhausted.
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Blistex posted:Star Wars for some reason never caught on. The movies were too alien (literally, they don't like weird aliens that much) Makes sense. The Empire in SW is kind of a British Empire/Nazi Germany mashup, which fits with the serial adventure story aesthetic the OT was going for. All the real people, good or bad, are whites who speak recognisable language. All the authority figures, politicians, soldiers and police are the same. Everyone else is some kind of weird monster who speaks gobbledegook garbage. Add in the frequent desert environments and there's a real Lawrence of Arabia/British Empire feel, occasionally interrupted by Nazi stormtroopers, but told from an American perspective - the baddies might be bad but they're the same people and culture as you are. Everyone else, (Arabs, Indians, East Asians etc.) is a sort of utterly unintelligible monster. The fact Chinese audiences don't respond to this might be down to them understanding that they're meant to be one of the hideous Jim Henson creatures in the background of the Mos Eisley Cantina.
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SW was also released during a time when China, or, wasn't watching many movies. Let alone movies not about my main man Zhou Enlai. Zero nostalgia is poison for the prequels since that is really what they had.
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Moola posted:Then in the prequels, comics and rogue one he's portrayed as a mass murdering child killing psycho  he blew up a planet the first movie we saw him it not like he can do any worse
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Rutibex posted:
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skasion posted:Nah that was Tarkin. Vader just watched It doesn't come across in the movie, but he was mad force-choking his prostate during Alderan's destruction.
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