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https://twitter.com/RepBarbaraLee/status/1213944364575031296
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https://twitter.com/shafei_d/status/1213609088485072896 What's her forums name?
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Jan 6, 2020 05:50
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https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1213996585882914818?s=20 Oh yeah, that'll show 'em. 
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Jan 6, 2020 07:40
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Sanctions on emojis, they never thought I'd do, well I did it
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Jan 6, 2020 07:43
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Cool that the US is going all mask off an isn't even trying to pretend anymore that they see Iraq as nothing but a puppet state.
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Jan 6, 2020 07:52
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"but we earned it"
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Jan 6, 2020 07:59
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Jagged Jim posted:https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1213996585882914818?s=20 Is Blowing up infrastructure and killing 1 million people sanctions?
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Jan 6, 2020 08:04
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Edit: gently caress it, not worth it
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Jan 6, 2020 08:15
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my woman Shafi D
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Jan 6, 2020 08:20
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Can someone explain to a big dumb dumb how assassinating a general isn't an act of war, and if it even matters with regards to what response from Iran it would take for the US to successfully invoke article 5.
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Jan 6, 2020 09:17
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Mercrom posted:Can someone explain to a big dumb dumb how assassinating a general isn't an act of war, and if it even matters with regards to what response from Iran it would take for the US to successfully invoke article 5. Someone with far more actual knowledge on this than me can chime in, but from my understand basically because the US currently treats this sort of thing like Calvinball, which is why the US just doesn't declare war any more. Here's an article by a law person on the international law aspects of it: https://www.lawfareblog.com/legality-targeted-killing-program-under-international-law oh and the US has a veto on the UN is sort of a moot point if legally it was or not by UN standards.
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Jan 6, 2020 09:32
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So when does the 3 days of mourning end? When it hits Tuesday there, right? So like 12 hours from now? I'm too dumb and need it spelled out.
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Jan 6, 2020 09:45
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Funion posted:So when does the 3 days of mourning end? When it hits Tuesday there, right? So like 12 hours from now? I'm too dumb and need it spelled out. Its not like once the 3 day mourning period is over then there's an automatic response. I mean that could happen, but they might also bide their time possibly until the US let's it's guard down.
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Jan 6, 2020 09:51
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Charliegrs posted:Its not like once the 3 day mourning period is over then there's an automatic response. I mean that could happen, but they might also bide their time possibly until the US let's it's guard down.
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Jan 6, 2020 09:53
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Charliegrs posted:Its not like once the 3 day mourning period is over then there's an automatic response. I mean that could happen, but they might also bide their time possibly until the US let's it's guard down. Around 3AM tonight local time
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Jan 6, 2020 10:44
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Thump! posted:Around 3AM tonight local time
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Jan 6, 2020 10:50
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Why is Iran’s time offset by 30 minutes?
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Jan 6, 2020 11:34
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Boris Galerkin posted:Why is Iran’s time offset by 30 minutes? 
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Jan 6, 2020 11:38
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China's coming down firmly on the side of Iran: https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1175841.shtml
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Jan 6, 2020 12:02
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Afghanistan and India are, too. It’s just a thing. Edit: oh and Syria has their own daylight savings time
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Jan 6, 2020 12:06
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Boris Galerkin posted:Why is Iran’s time offset by 30 minutes? Tehran is basically on the boundary between two time zones, with the rest of the country fairly evenly split between the two, so it's easier to run the whole country on the average of the two zones. India's time zone works the same way.
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Jan 6, 2020 12:08
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Boris Galerkin posted:Why is Iran’s time offset by 30 minutes? Wikipedia says it's because Iranian Standard Time is defined by the 52.5 degrees east meridian, the same meridian which defines the Iranian calendar and is the official meridian of Iran.
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Jan 6, 2020 12:13
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Mercrom posted:Can someone explain to a big dumb dumb how assassinating a general isn't an act of war, and if it even matters with regards to what response from Iran it would take for the US to successfully invoke article 5. Well you see they've decided to call a uniformed member of another country's armed services a terrorist because he's a Muslim and sorta brownish and this is convenient. And they've been bombing terrorists, including US citizens, with no oversight in dozens of countries for over a decade now and nobody ever really gave a gently caress. So all they've really done is push that boundary just a little bit more. The US now reserves the right to unilaterally bomb anyone they deem a terrorist as long as they aren't in a western allied nation or are a member of government. And we'll see how long those caveats last. It's a countdown until the US just kills whomever they want whenever they want because they spend more money on poo poo that kills people than anyone else so what the gently caress you gonna do? Incidentally in their mind this also makes them the most ethical military in the history of the world. Funny how that works.
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Jan 6, 2020 12:40
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Orange Devil posted:Well you see they've decided to call a uniformed member of another country's armed services a terrorist because he's a Muslim and sorta brownish and this is convenient. And they've been bombing terrorists, including US citizens, with no oversight in dozens of countries for over a decade now and nobody ever really gave a gently caress. So all they've really done is push that boundary just a little bit more. One of the guys killed in the Soleimani strike was literally a cabinet minister in Iraq's American-backed government.
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Jan 6, 2020 12:42
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Orange Devil posted:The US now reserves the right to unilaterally bomb anyone they deem a terrorist as long as they aren't in a western allied nation or are a member of government. I have some bad news
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Jan 6, 2020 12:44
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Darth Walrus posted:One of the guys killed in the Soleimani strike was literally a cabinet minister in Iraq's American-backed government. Wait, who was this?
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Jan 6, 2020 12:48
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TheRat posted:I have some bad news Oh right well there we go. If you're in a western US-allied nation they probably won't have the cheek to bomb you yet. But then again they can just strongarm those to pick you up or kick you out instead. And maybe there's a difference between being a member of a US puppet regime (or at least a regime the US perceives as such) and a member of government of a more sovereign nation. They probably won't bomb you in China or Russia either because of the whole nuclear armed member of the UN security council thing, but then again Pakistan is nuclear armed and they'll totally bomb you there so who knows really?
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Jan 6, 2020 12:48
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Orange Devil posted:sorta brownish This seems to be emerging as a crucial factor
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Jan 6, 2020 13:00
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Brownish Sean Connery.
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Jan 6, 2020 13:30
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Tree Bucket posted:This seems to be emerging as a crucial factor Eh, if you're a white American who converts and joins some (usually legitimately terrible) organisation the US doesn't like it's not like they won't bomb you.
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Jan 6, 2020 13:33
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Orange Devil posted:Well you see they've decided to call a uniformed member of another country's armed services.. ...I mean technically correct, but also I'd first label him a high ranking member of another countries government first. Lines are a bit blurred when you talk about people who are both an active member of an armed service and also senior advice/minister whatever, in a government. Oh and for those interested, a short video on the way timezone can be completely crazy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5wpm-gesOY
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Jan 6, 2020 13:45
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Count Roland posted:Wait, who was this? I'm assuming it's a reference to Muhandis? He wasn't a cabinet minister but was legally an Iraqi government official as the Hashd have been integrated (on paper and legally at least) into the Iraqi security forces for several years now - which is why bombing the militias was considered dodgy in the first place as their legal status makes me an arm of the state.
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Jan 6, 2020 15:04
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Mercrom posted:Can someone explain to a big dumb dumb how assassinating a general isn't an act of war, and if it even matters with regards to what response from Iran it would take for the US to successfully invoke article 5. Article 5 can only be invoked after an attack on a member's territory on Northern America or Europe, as well as on islands in the Mediterranean or the Atlantic north of the Tropic of Cancer. So for example, if North Korea were to nuke Hawaii, then article 5 couldn't be invoked; but if they nuke Alaska, it can. Article 5 also means that the allied countries will do everything they can to restore stability in the "North Atlantic" region. But at the point we're in, the fastest and simplest way to restore stability would probably be to attack the USA so as to provoke a regime change there. Angry Salami posted:Tehran is basically on the boundary between two time zones, with the rest of the country fairly evenly split between the two, so it's easier to run the whole country on the average of the two zones. India's time zone works the same way. Meanwhile, Benelux, France and Spain are on Poland's time zone (Ukraine's time zone during the summer).
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Jan 6, 2020 15:06
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Mercrom posted:Can someone explain to a big dumb dumb how assassinating a general isn't an act of war, and if it even matters with regards to what response from Iran it would take for the US to successfully invoke article 5. The US commits acts of war all the time. Blockades, no-fly zones, assassinations, drone bombing campaigns...they all count as acts of war when they're done without the consent of the target government. They're not really concerned about it because the primary downside of committing acts of war is that the victim might declare war on you, and there's a very short list of countries willing to even threaten war against the US. There are other risks and downsides, like reduced backing from allies and international orgs if it becomes a war, but they're not things the US is particularly concerned about.
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Jan 6, 2020 15:14
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Cat Mattress posted:Article 5 can only be invoked after an attack on a member's territory on Northern America or Europe, as well as on islands in the Mediterranean or the Atlantic north of the Tropic of Cancer. A treaty developed during a saner time so the UK/France couldn't just invoke it every time something happened in one of their colonies.
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Jan 6, 2020 15:17
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Orange Devil posted:Eh, if you're a white American who converts and joins some (usually legitimately terrible) organisation the US doesn't like it's not like they won't bomb you. I kind of think you stop being White when you become Muslim. Sort of the same reasoning behind why Middle Easterners and North Africans aren't thought of as white but Southern Europeans and such are. "White" is a very stupid and arbitrary racial category, even among its peers.
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Jan 6, 2020 15:18
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:A treaty developed during a saner time so the UK/France couldn't just invoke it every time something happened in one of their colonies. Does Hawaii really not count since its a part of the sovereign and not just a territory?
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Jan 6, 2020 15:20
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TK-42-1 posted:Does Hawaii really not count since its a part of the sovereign and not just a territory? I'm assuming SEATO was the equivalent treaty meant to cover it with other Pacific nations but as far as I've read it dissolved in the 70s because it was so pointless most members forgot it existed.
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Jan 6, 2020 15:26
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Randarkman posted:I kind of think you stop being White when you become Muslim. Sort of the same reasoning behind why Middle Easterners and North Africans aren't thought of as white but Southern Europeans and such are. "White" is a very stupid and arbitrary racial category, even among its peers. There was a time when the Irish weren't consider 'white'. Can't have racism without arbitrary racial categories!
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Cat Mattress posted:Article 5 can only be invoked after an attack on a member's territory on Northern America or Europe, as well as on islands in the Mediterranean or the Atlantic north of the Tropic of Cancer. Thanks. This information is hard to find for some reason. Does that technically mean that if Norway invades Sweden and Sweden strikes back at one of their air bases the rest of NATO has to join the invasion?
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