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Coohoolin posted:I'll say one thing for Starmer, out of all the centrists he seems like the only one (and the first one) to be trying to actively cater to the left membership, his campaign video centred momentum activists and young activists. If nothing else he's probably much less of an idiot and more of a serious politician than the ego maniacs like Phillips. Yeah I'm not entirely opposed to Starmer but then he is a remainer from London which taken by itself is a bit of a liability, I feel.
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Wolfsbane posted:He came to talk to us when we were campaigning in Southampton. Seemed pretty OK - big fan of the manifesto, not a bad speaker. He got a bit overshadowed by Owen Jones but I don't think I mind him as a second choice / compromise candidate. Out of all the candidates speculated about so far, I could live with any of them except Jessflaps. I think there'll be a big push for a female leader.
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Wolfsbane posted:He came to talk to us when we were campaigning in Southampton. Seemed pretty OK - big fan of the manifesto, not a bad speaker. He got a bit overshadowed by Owen Jones but I don't think I mind him as a second choice / compromise candidate. Getting overshadowed by a friendly journalist is a very bad sign for a leader, especially one who will need to fight off hostile ones to get their message through. He'll actually be okay on Brexit because the only unacceptable position is rejoining the EU as Philips managed to blunder into on day 1 so talking about the sort of relationships that a candidate wants with the EU after the fact is unavoidable and not as damaging as revoke was. Even a desire for a close relationship which a remainer will have to defend is not the end of the world because there's a definite Brexit line which the UK will not be able to cross again. vvv Also this. Hold a vision close and fight for it always or you won't be able to react well to things unless the powerful are willing to cover up your mistakes like Raab claiming the assassination was self-defense. namesake fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Jan 6, 2020 |
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I think Starmer's real problem is that he doesn't have enough of an ideology to lead a movement. The Soleimani assassination was a good example of this - he was caught completely off-guard by something new and unexpected that wasn't in the established Labour playbook, and defaulted to milquetoast centrism. We're facing a chaotic decade where bad actors will be loving with us harder and harder, and only someone with an actual worldview will be able to keep the movement running through all the weird, horrible poo poo we'll be facing.
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OwlFancier posted:Not unless he has two twitter accounts? He actually does, now that he’s no longer working with Jen, but the @shaun_jen one is shuttered and the current one is @shaun_vids: https://twitter.com/shaun_vids/status/1205507043525832704 https://twitter.com/shaun_vids/status/1205509228217217024
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I think the really important consideration for any Labour leader is whether their name fits to the rhythm of Seven Nation Army. Lewis and Starmer both fail this important test, Rebecca Long Bailey succeeds.
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48 hours to fork out £25 to become a registered supporter of Labour from 'next Tuesday' (do they mean tomorrow or a week tomorrow?) and get to vote in the leadership election. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/06/labour-leadership-election-supporters-48-hours-sign-up (As £25 is approx 6 months membership you might as well join - apparently if you join as a member (not a supporter) up to Jan 20th you can get to vote.) Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Jan 6, 2020 |
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Cerv posted:loving hell this Reynhard Sinaga case is actually terrifying   It sounds like the sort of thing that'll get a big response and I only hope it goes off in a survivor support and an anti-entitled rich sociopath direction and not in any of the bad directions it could go off in. It's reminded me of something that's consistently troubled me whenever I've been thinking drug law reform though. Like obviously there's all the arguments in support: bodily autonomy, victimless crime, addiction is a health issue, putting the market in the hands of violent gangs makes things worse, dosage could be regulated, drug war is racist, prisons don't work, prohibition is a failure and a stain on our history, and all that. At the far other end, I wouldn't want legalization to go as far as, say, sarin, because while that definitely does have an effect on the nervous system, it's not something you want people having in public. Sat somewhere in the middle of that is "what about drugs that are often used to facilitate crimes against others?" as in that case. Apparently the current tactic is "not much" because GHB is Class C whereas LSD and loving coca leaf are Class A, but what would be a good control regimen? ThomasPaine posted:Uh oh
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thespaceinvader posted:I think the really important consideration for any Labour leader is whether their name fits to the rhythm of Seven Nation Army. Lewis and Starmer both fail this important test, Rebecca Long Bailey succeeds. by this metric Angela Rayner is a shoo-in
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KOGAHAZAN!! posted:He actually does, now that he’s no longer working with Jen, but the @shaun_jen one is shuttered and the current one is @shaun_vids: Skull Shaun's a lovely and always correct boy
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Guavanaut posted:Yeah... I've read through some of the stuff on this and it's this has been bothering me all day. I don’t know what to think. as someone who’s used G recreationally I’ve always been happy that it’s easy to buy “cleaning supplies“ online without even the faffing about on darknet & bitcoin poo poo other drugs require. but you hit the nail on the head "what about drugs that are often used to facilitate crimes against others?” - that's exactly what’s given me pause. same as most (every?) poster ITT I support gun control laws, for example. when G can, and is, used as a weapon against people it probably shouldn’t be unrestricted as it is to get a hold of. although it’s officially a class C banned substance, it’s effectively legal for all the difficulty you have acquiring it currently I haven’t a loving clue what an effective control regimen would look like for G though. limit how much you can buy in one go won’t work - an effective knock-out or murder dose is less than a legitimate evening’s sex session. one thing I suppose would be to require a bright dye to be added before sale (GBL is a colourless solution) to make spiking a drink harder. that’s apparently something some guys do themselves to avoid mixups at parties, though I’ve never seen it
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thespaceinvader posted:I think the really important consideration for any Labour leader is whether their name fits to the rhythm of Seven Nation Army. Lewis and Starmer both fail this important test, Rebecca Long Bailey succeeds. Things can only Keir Starmer.
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If Starmer could find half an ideology, even a more centrist one, as long as it wasn't purestrain Blairism, he would be a tolerable candidate for me. Certainly the best of the melts, which I realize is damning with faint praise, but I mean, any living human faced with the choice between him and Jess Phillips would see that can very much be degrees of significant difference in the melt field. Except Jess Phillips of course.
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ThomasPaine posted:Skull Shaun's a lovely and always correct boy Yeah that explains a lot that was confusing me. Who the heck is Shaun Lawson then?!
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baka kaba posted:Yeah that explains a lot that was confusing me. Who the heck is Shaun Lawson then?! He's a genuinely thoughtful Twitter man from the UK but living in Uruguay. Was a proper vicious (as a Jewish guy) critic of the Riley/Oberman nexus. Occasionally trends very liberal despite flashes of genuine radicalism.
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Ms Adequate posted:If you really want to keep foreigners out, just make the Life in the UK test be to explain any part of this. I have no idea who any of the people are except alan johnson and jonothan ross and I have no idea of the context either. TV got weird when I stopped watching it.
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I recently found out that one of my nephews has a phobia of becoming ill which can be quite debilitating. Anyone have any experience of this either through a family member or personal experience?
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ThomasPaine posted:Corbyn should stand again for maximum lol value Worth it to see all the loving melts faces though.
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Why in the hell Ken Jeong was there I will never know. He's great, but an incredibly bizarre choice for guessing minor UK celebrities. Its funny how there are no pictures of him between the reveal and the host explaining who the hell this person is. I can just imagine him sitting there with a "..." speech bubble. KOGAHAZAN!! posted:https://twitter.com/shaun_vids/status/1205507043525832704 I'm going to a constituency Labour meeting soon where the whole what happened, what happens next thing is going to come up and this is a really succinctly put argument that's worth remembering. Wish I could sum up what I believe this fluidly. Isomermaid fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Jan 6, 2020 |
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Cerv posted:this has been bothering me all day. I don’t know what to think. Or maybe they could have legalized some of the popular stimulants and cracked down on G instead, I don't know, some people would be happier, some less happy, even in the party scene. There's seemingly no will at all to even look at safer options, though. I think that's one of the things that pissed me off most with the mephedrone debacle; half of London switched from taking cocaine and it was getting to the stage where hardened dealers were turning themselves in because they couldn't pay their suppliers, but nobody seemed to think "hey, this seems better than the crime and coke gangs, maybe we should seriously study its harms for regulated sale." Yes, that's what happened instead.
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Cerv posted:this has been bothering me all day. I don’t know what to think. Bleach, knives, and balaclavas are all widely available and all usable for crime as well as legitimate professional and recreational uses (well I can't think of many recreational uses of bleach but you get the idea). Opiates, antihistamines, and good old fashioned booze are all also used in sexual crimes. All of these are available on every high street. We already have laws preventing these abuses, the solution is proper policing of them.
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God drat Ted Heath. hosed kids, hosed the UK's space capability.
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bessantj posted:I recently found out that one of my nephews has a phobia of becoming ill which can be quite debilitating. Anyone have any experience of this either through a family member or personal experience? I can definitely empathise, but unfortunately can't offer much advice. I'm not really sure how to deal with it myself.
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Why in the hell Ken Jeong was there I will never know. He's great, but an incredibly bizarre choice for guessing minor UK celebrities. He's on the American version of the show, and also did an guest appearance on the Korean original
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thespaceinvader posted:I can definitely empathise, but unfortunately can't offer much advice. I'm not really sure how to deal with it myself. I'm sorry to hear that and I hope you find a healthy coping mechanism soon. I just wish my brother had told me sooner so i don't accidentally trigger the lad when I see him.
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Isomermaid posted:I'm going to a constituency Labour meeting soon where the whole what happened, what happens next thing is going to come up Ah, lucky you. We had ours the week after the election, and, as you might imagine, people had barely had time to process what had happened, let alone get their feet under them emotionally. Didn’t help when the arch-Blairite was invited to speak (for a campaigning post-mortem, he’d been running a targeted sub-campaign) and did exactly what you’d expect him to do with that platform.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Bleach, knives, and balaclavas are all widely available and all usable for crime as well as legitimate professional and recreational uses (well I can't think of many recreational uses of bleach but you get the idea). Opiates, antihistamines, and good old fashioned booze are all also used in sexual crimes. All of these are available on every high street. Bleach, knives, It’s worth having the discussion about how G should be regulated without a knee-jerk response. We already have laws yes, but that’s not up to much when they’re basically unenforceable and pretty poo poo for people who just want to have a fun time. quote:(well I can't think of many recreational uses of bleach but you get the idea) you probably don’t need to click that, the URL says it all
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kustomkarkommando posted:the nation that produced it's a knockout uhhhhh
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bessantj posted:I'm sorry to hear that and I hope you find a healthy coping mechanism soon. I just wish my brother had told me sooner so i don't accidentally trigger the lad when I see him. Thinking about it, the big things that I appreciate are people being willing not to make physical contact if they think they're ill, and people letting me know if there is illness around so that I can decide whether I want to attend an event or whatever. I'm particularly thinking about the standard coughs and colds and the like, which are the things that most bother me. And ideally, people being willing to cancel commitments if they are themselves, ill. It takes me quite a lot of mental effort to go to big, close gatherings of people at the best of times but when I've come away from something sniffling it will put me off going out again for a WHILE Especially, being willing to take the right set of days off work is really important. But at the same time, I recognise thart capitalism makes that extremely difficult; ideally we'd all be able to take 2 weeks off work whenever we get a cold but...
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