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sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


Play

The

Kids

(We're not short of full backs tbh)

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Gigi Galli
Sep 19, 2003

and then the car turned in to fire
Borini supposedly on his way to Hellas.

He may be a bit poo poo but nobody deserves that.

ozmunkeh
Feb 28, 2008

hey guys what is happening in this thread
Borini was a good lad even though it turned out he was made of glass.

TheBigAristotle
Feb 8, 2007

I'm tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money.
I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok.

Grimey Drawer
Watch Ashley Young actually do well at Inter. Or at least better.

I always liked Lukaku as a player and a seemingly insecure but nice dude, but it's funny to see people gushing about his production at Inter as if it isn't a result of going to a slower league, one less likely to punish his horrendous touches with aggressive pressing

Gigi Galli
Sep 19, 2003

and then the car turned in to fire
Conte turns mediocre players in to good ones; he’s been doing it since he was at Juventus and even before at lower levels. This is exactly why I wanted him at Milan.

Young will do just fine if he goes to Inter imo.

sticksy
May 26, 2004
Nap Ghost

Gigi Galli posted:

Conte turns mediocre players in to good ones; he’s been doing it since he was at Juventus and even before at lower levels. This is exactly why I wanted him at Milan.

Is he a really good coach, good at man management, just adapting tactics to get the best out of his personnel (thinking of his switch to 3-5-2 with WBs at Chelsea) or all of the above?

Eau de MacGowan
May 12, 2009

BRASIL HEXA
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wait ashley young's going to inter milan? i saw the headlines and thought he was going to beckham's inter lol

NinpoEspiritoSanto
Oct 22, 2013




Eau de MacGowan posted:

wait ashley young's going to inter milan? i saw the headlines and thought he was going to beckham's inter lol

https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1215213347156701184

:laffo: :lol: :laffo: :lol: :laffo: :lol: :laffo: :lol: :laffo: :lol:

:suicide:

CyberPingu
Sep 15, 2013


If you're not striving to improve, you'll end up going backwards.

No...loving....way

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Gigi Galli posted:

Borini supposedly on his way to Hellas.

He may be a bit poo poo but nobody deserves that.

he does deserve that

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
no idea who this is

https://twitter.com/GFFN/status/1215222003118100480?s=20

Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005




The last guys to come from Belgian clubs have done so well at Newcastle, better sign more

Eau de MacGowan
May 12, 2009

BRASIL HEXA
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is ashley young the last of the fergie signings because otherwise that is some confusing news

Bobby Digital
Sep 4, 2009

Eau de MacGowan posted:

is ashley young the last of the fergie signings because otherwise that is some confusing news

De Gea and Jones, maybe others idk

Shrapnig
Jan 21, 2005

Eau de MacGowan posted:

is ashley young the last of the fergie signings because otherwise that is some confusing news

De Gea
Jones
Smalling*

Zaha was the actual last player United signed under him.

Ziggy Tzardust
Apr 7, 2006

Di Marzio is reporting that he's turned it down. You love to see it

Vegetable
Oct 22, 2010

My guess is United wanted to keep him for another year at a drastically reduced wage, which makes sense.

NinpoEspiritoSanto
Oct 22, 2013




Vegetable posted:

My guess is United wanted to keep him for another year at a drastically reduced wage, which makes sense.

Apoplectic response aside given current state of squad, yeah probably.

Gigi Galli
Sep 19, 2003

and then the car turned in to fire

sticksy posted:

Is he a really good coach, good at man management, just adapting tactics to get the best out of his personnel (thinking of his switch to 3-5-2 with WBs at Chelsea) or all of the above?

It’s certainly man management and demanding players that fit in to a certain system. He’s used that 3-5-2 in lots of places so it’s more that he knows how to tell players to work that way rather than adapting to it. He does know when to switch though.

paddyboat
Feb 20, 2013

Maxi, Maxi Rodriguez
Run down the wing for me

Eau de MacGowan posted:

wait ashley young's going to inter milan? i saw the headlines and thought he was going to beckham's inter lol

they’re getting Gareff Bale instead

https://twitter.com/mls/status/1215136180716625923?s=21

Shaman Tank Spec
Dec 26, 2003

*blep*



Bundy posted:

All well and good but we won't be able to field a loving 11 soon if we're getting rid and not signing SIGN SOME loving WARM BODIES

It's EXTREMELY worrisome that the tone at United has already shifted to "considering" and "looking at" players. The time for that is loving months past, United need players now and they'll need more in the summer.

If Woodward & co seriously think they can just take January off and sign a couple of players next summer to meaningfully progress the club they're loving out of their minds. This season has already shown that not only is the squad as a whole not as good as it should be (which is not news, or surprising), but it also doesn't begin to have the needed depth. Key players have to play with injuries and play way too often simply because there are no good alternatives to rotate with, so they get tired and injured even more.

NinpoEspiritoSanto
Oct 22, 2013




Gigi Galli posted:

It’s certainly man management and demanding players that fit in to a certain system. He’s used that 3-5-2 in lots of places so it’s more that he knows how to tell players to work that way rather than adapting to it. He does know when to switch though.

This would tie in with what happened at Chelsea I guess? The backlash felt like them not liking being told strictly how to play in a system, particularly Hazard. So of course Sarri was a logical replacement :v:

Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005



Der Shovel posted:

It's EXTREMELY worrisome that the tone at United has already shifted to "considering" and "looking at" players. The time for that is loving months past, United need players now and they'll need more in the summer.

If Woodward & co seriously think they can just take January off and sign a couple of players next summer to meaningfully progress the club they're loving out of their minds. This season has already shown that not only is the squad as a whole not as good as it should be (which is not news, or surprising), but it also doesn't begin to have the needed depth. Key players have to play with injuries and play way too often simply because there are no good alternatives to rotate with, so they get tired and injured even more.

Pogba will be like a new signing though so it all works out in the end doesn’t it?

Shaman Tank Spec
Dec 26, 2003

*blep*



big crush on Chad OMG posted:

Pogba will be like a new signing though so it all works out in the end doesn’t it?

As amazing as it may sound, this excuse has already been used officially.

(Unless :thejoke:)

tarbrush
Feb 7, 2011

ALL ABOARD THE SCOTLAND HYPE TRAIN!

CHOO CHOO
It's possible that they consider CL qualification a lost cause, so why chuck good money after bad?

Brendan Rodgers
Jun 11, 2014




Gonna be pretty funny when United get rejected by Ashley Young of all players.

Gigi Galli
Sep 19, 2003

and then the car turned in to fire

Bundy posted:

This would tie in with what happened at Chelsea I guess? The backlash felt like them not liking being told strictly how to play in a system, particularly Hazard. So of course Sarri was a logical replacement :v:

Seems like it; he's like Sarri-lite in that he's got his favorites but unlike Sarri, he's got more than 2 formations to work with and is willing to change if necessary. He's also an ex footballer so I feel like he relates more to them. A good ex footballer even.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Inter Miami

Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005



mila kunis posted:

Inter Miami

It could be worse tbh, it’s MLS after all

Brony Car
May 22, 2014

by Cyrano4747

Gigi Galli posted:

Seems like it; he's like Sarri-lite in that he's got his favorites but unlike Sarri, he's got more than 2 formations to work with and is willing to change if necessary. He's also an ex footballer so I feel like he relates more to them. A good ex footballer even.

I thought Conte only burned out at Chelsea because he wanted to engage in some heavy transfer spending and the Chelsea hierarchy were trying to ramp back. I don't remember reports of the players hating him. It sounded more like Conte deciding to phone it in after he saw he wouldn't get the financial backing he wanted.

Gorn Myson
Aug 8, 2007






Its probably more that the Chelsea hierarchy wanted to spend big money on players that they wanted, rather than big (or any) money on players that he wanted. They're definitely not trying to ramp back.

Backdoor Delivery
Nov 15, 2004

one cool dude


2 Time TRP Sack Race Champion

mila kunis posted:

Inter Miami

Excuse me- Club Internacional de Fútbol Miami

Redczar
Nov 9, 2011


I know we poo poo on MLS a lot here, but are you serious that the league itself is reporting a transfer rumor?

NinpoEspiritoSanto
Oct 22, 2013




Der Shovel posted:

It's EXTREMELY worrisome that the tone at United has already shifted to "considering" and "looking at" players. The time for that is loving months past, United need players now and they'll need more in the summer.

If Woodward & co seriously think they can just take January off and sign a couple of players next summer to meaningfully progress the club they're loving out of their minds. This season has already shown that not only is the squad as a whole not as good as it should be (which is not news, or surprising), but it also doesn't begin to have the needed depth. Key players have to play with injuries and play way too often simply because there are no good alternatives to rotate with, so they get tired and injured even more.

OK fuckin :words: about United post incoming so strap in or get scrolling.

So part of me is wondering if this season started out with low expectations of Ole and the league finishing position. The squad was worryingly thin when the season started even before all the injuries started happening, something I remember Adam McKola from FTD arguing with Gary Neville about (Adam has proven to be right in hindsight about not replacing the players that were shipped out, Neville at the time didn't seem to feel it necessary because the players that left "weren't good enough").

If I treat this as a mid season review, not much has changed from my usual complaints. Woodward too slow in the transfer window again, now and in the summer. However, a big difference from windows prior to this summer is Ole got rid of players that weren't in his plans and the 3 signings that did come in have all been decent. I haven't any complaints on Maguire, AWB or James, other than it's a shame they had to hit the ground running and in Maguire's case, into it.

It's clear that the plan going forward under Ole is to mix academy product with good young signings. It's frustrating with the squad as thin as it is that no one has been signed. I do also realise however that any older players that don't fit the mould, unless we manage a loan deal, are going to come expecting one last payday which is something the club are clearly no longer interested in entertaining. Everyone else knows we need players and it's hard to get first choice signings out of clubs in January.

There's no quick fix though. United are very much reaping what they sowed when the Glazers under invested and rode the sheer will of Ferguson to further success, with no plan of succession for either Ferguson or Gill. There isn't going to be any manager that comes into this squad as it stands and Next Season We're Challenging Again, not with Woodward having consistently failed in what is now 12 transfer windows.

United have squad players on guaranteed starter wages, are offloading starters and squad players without replacing them and currently have players starting week in week out that should be squad players at best or out on loan somewhere. It is reliably rumoured that the transfer process has changed to an incredibly cautious one given how much has been completely wasted over those 12 windows.

If I am wrong, then Ole is being expected to secure top 4 at least, with a squad neither deep enough or good enough. I like the style of football he clearly wants to play, I am frustrated that he doesn't seem to try to change things up more to suit the personnel he has at his disposal but then he wouldn't be the first manager to have a style of play he wants to play and that's that while recruitment catches up. Then again, what system can he play right now that gets around only having two fit-ish central midfielders, neither of which are particularly creative? Playing from the wings is difficult when there isn't a target man in the squad.

For me, so long as players like Rashford, Martial, Fred, Maguire, McTominay and the youth players coming through are playing for the manager he should be given time while Woodward unfucks the gently caress he's responsible for

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


Bundy posted:

OK fuckin :words: about United post incoming so strap in or get scrolling.

So part of me is wondering if this season started out with low expectations of Ole and the league finishing position. The squad was worryingly thin when the season started even before all the injuries started happening, something I remember Adam McKola from FTD arguing with Gary Neville about (Adam has proven to be right in hindsight about not replacing the players that were shipped out, Neville at the time didn't seem to feel it necessary because the players that left "weren't good enough").

If I treat this as a mid season review, not much has changed from my usual complaints. Woodward too slow in the transfer window again, now and in the summer. However, a big difference from windows prior to this summer is Ole got rid of players that weren't in his plans and the 3 signings that did come in have all been decent. I haven't any complaints on Maguire, AWB or James, other than it's a shame they had to hit the ground running and in Maguire's case, into it.

It's clear that the plan going forward under Ole is to mix academy product with good young signings. It's frustrating with the squad as thin as it is that no one has been signed. I do also realise however that any older players that don't fit the mould, unless we manage a loan deal, are going to come expecting one last payday which is something the club are clearly no longer interested in entertaining. Everyone else knows we need players and it's hard to get first choice signings out of clubs in January.

There's no quick fix though. United are very much reaping what they sowed when the Glazers under invested and rode the sheer will of Ferguson to further success, with no plan of succession for either Ferguson or Gill. There isn't going to be any manager that comes into this squad as it stands and Next Season We're Challenging Again, not with Woodward having consistently failed in what is now 12 transfer windows.

United have squad players on guaranteed starter wages, are offloading starters and squad players without replacing them and currently have players starting week in week out that should be squad players at best or out on loan somewhere. It is reliably rumoured that the transfer process has changed to an incredibly cautious one given how much has been completely wasted over those 12 windows.

If I am wrong, then Ole is being expected to secure top 4 at least, with a squad neither deep enough or good enough. I like the style of football he clearly wants to play, I am frustrated that he doesn't seem to try to change things up more to suit the personnel he has at his disposal but then he wouldn't be the first manager to have a style of play he wants to play and that's that while recruitment catches up. Then again, what system can he play right now that gets around only having two fit-ish central midfielders, neither of which are particularly creative? Playing from the wings is difficult when there isn't a target man in the squad.

For me, so long as players like Rashford, Martial, Fred, Maguire, McTominay and the youth players coming through are playing for the manager he should be given time while Woodward unfucks the gently caress he's responsible for

:hai:

trem_two
Oct 22, 2002

it is better if you keep saying I'm fat, as I will continue to score goals
Fun Shoe

Redczar posted:

I know we poo poo on MLS a lot here, but are you serious that the league itself is reporting a transfer rumor?

Sports leagues in the US tend to operate their own media orgs that report on everything like this (without negative/critical coverage of course).

blue footed boobie
Sep 14, 2012


UEFA SUPREMACY

Bundy posted:

choice signings out of clubs in January.

There's no quick fix though. United are very much reaping what they sowed when the Glazers under invested and rode the sheer will of Ferguson to further success, with no plan of succession for either Ferguson or Gill. There isn't going to be any manager that comes into this squad as it stands and Next Season We're Challenging Again, not with Woodward having consistently failed in what is now 12 transfer windows.

I just want to point out that the Glazers had a plan for Ferguson’s succession, and that plan was David Moyes.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

blue footed boobie posted:

I just want to point out that the Glazers had a plan for Ferguson’s succession, and that plan was David Moyes.

that was fergusons choice for his succession lmao

paddyboat
Feb 20, 2013

Maxi, Maxi Rodriguez
Run down the wing for me

Redczar posted:

I know we poo poo on MLS a lot here, but are you serious that the league itself is reporting a transfer rumor?

It’s extremely on brand, they make up their own rules on a daily basis.

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paddyboat
Feb 20, 2013

Maxi, Maxi Rodriguez
Run down the wing for me
also MLS:

Done Deal

https://twitter.com/chicagofire/status/1215338037917425675?s=21

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