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Gentlemen! Gavbot will work tirelessly to maximize corporate growth and profits!
beep boop the CA Gov is the supreme corporation, all growth must benefit the state
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tbf china is making a good argument that state capitalism is superior to neoliberal capitalism
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Craptacular! posted:We need to inflict minor pain on people who have cars by making them have to hunt for spots more frequently if we want transit to mean anything. build the public transit first instead of "inflicting minor pain on people" because that's just asking for your cause to be self owned OP
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Danann posted:build the public transit first instead of "inflicting minor pain on people" because that's just asking for your cause to be self owned OP We're trying to, thats why the restrictions are lifted on housing built near transit stations
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Jan 10, 2020 02:49
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Danann posted:tbf china is making a good argument that state capitalism is superior to neoliberal capitalism China is not really something to emulate, would rather have state socialism or communism than a repressive state capitalism which America partly is already.
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Jan 10, 2020 03:03
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Danann posted:tbf china is making a good argument that state capitalism is superior to neoliberal capitalism So all the problems of capitalism plus an even more repressive regime, and even fewer freedoms. I know "USA bad" but this is a pretty terrible take.
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Jan 10, 2020 04:03
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36,560 people died in motor vehicle crashes in the US in 2018. Deaths from air pollution are difficult to track and attribute, but they're likely quite numerous as well; lung problems are a frequent cause of death. Street parking sure is convenient, though. So maybe that makes up for it.
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Jan 10, 2020 04:16
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The everybody owns a personal vehicle experiment we've been trying out for the past century or so has fundamentally failed.
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Celexi posted:China is not really something to emulate, would rather have state socialism or communism than a repressive state capitalism which America partly is already. Also I'll quibble on America being state capitalist considering that it's private organizations and individuals who are responsible for the present day misery instead of the apparatus of the state. What's left of the American state provides the policing, intelligence, and military muscle as well as some other stuff but reckoning with Chudtube + Fox News, Kochs/Zuckerbergs/Dorseys, Aetna/CCA/Amazon, etc. is a different struggle than one where one had to contend with say the state apparatus of the Soviet Union. There's a reason why I call it neoliberal capitalism and not state capitalism  .DeadlyMuffin posted:So all the problems of capitalism plus an even more repressive regime, and even fewer freedoms. The only one claiming that an oppressive, authoritarian state government is intrinsically linked to the ability to not be a sockpuppet of billionaires and corporate interests is you. One can like the part where the PRC was able to pull off an economic miracle and continue to still expand stuff like rail infrastructure, housing, not killing people from medical debt, and building up both renewable energy and nuclear energy, and has a strong welfare state while detesting the part where it also has a powerful censorship regime, cracks down on protestors, and is also currently conducting cultural genocide of the Uighurs in Xinjiang.
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Jan 10, 2020 06:34
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Danann posted:It's relatively better in that China's state capitalist political economy pulled off an unmatched economical miracle and is advancing green energy a lot while providing generous welfare in comparison to the rest of the Anglosphere and Europe. It also suffers from the usual capitalist ills where labor only receives a small portion of the value it produces while a small wealthy elite accumulates more economic and political power which it uses to advance its own causes. In a comparison with America's political economy system, America has set the bar so low that China looks better because it's not killing its people with medical/student/whatever debt.
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Jan 10, 2020 06:41
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Charlz Guybon posted:Germany, Japan and the ROK all had similar economic miracles after their respective wars and all of them provide generous welfare. Being industrialized since the latter half of the 19th century is clearly applicable to China's circumstances. Also a literal military dictatorship successfully industrializing is clearly more ethical than an authoritarian one-party communist government. 
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Jan 10, 2020 08:35
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It showed up here during the fires but someone dropped a recommendation for a gas mask for the smoke. Seeing as everything lightning on fire will be standard from now on, I should buy it before the fires are back.
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BallisticClipboard posted:It showed up here during the fires but someone dropped a recommendation for a gas mask for the smoke. Seeing as everything lightning on fire will be standard from now on, I should buy it before the fires are back. This was recommended by Admiral Ray: Admiral Ray posted:If the state enacted my Dirigible Housing Project this fire risk poo poo wouldn't matter. Everyone could ride the drifting air currents and watch as the ground far beneath them twists and chars under the intense heat of our sins. I recommended a 3M 7000 Series mask with either 3M 2291 or 2297 white or grey webbed p100 filters (instead of the standard pinks), or you could even go full face mask with an Ultimate FX but probably not necessary (And probably extra weird if you're using it around town or something, though I enjoy mine for tractor and yard work). All links in quote below: BeAuMaN posted:I'd be curious about this too, though I recommend the usual 3M 7000 series facemask: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008MCUULW/ And no, I don't know how the GVS compares to the 3M. They're probably both good masks. BeAuMaN fucked around with this message at 13:57 on Jan 10, 2020 |
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Jan 10, 2020 13:29
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Disaster capitalism in action
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Are any Bay Area goons interested in naloxone training?
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Jan 14, 2020 17:39
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Gav wants to send all children to preschool. Gavins gonna be in office until we all die. Gavin goo(D)?
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Jan 14, 2020 21:44
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Gav wants to be Senator Newsom or President Newsom. Gav knows the way to do that is to popular in big blue California, which means passing big blue policies to make the state's big blue voting population happy with him. His interests and ours are just aligned, for now
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Jan 14, 2020 21:52
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Can't wait to see Newsom be Buttigieg 2.0 on the national stage
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He's gunning for the Presidency at all costs. My guess is that his dream scenario is Trump getting re-elected so he can have four more years of publicly posturing against him, then run in 2024 on the platform that he spent 6 years as governor of the state that stood up to Trump the most. But yeah for now it's relatively safe to assume he's going to continue to be more or less center-left on most issues, my only major gripe is that he's unwilling to take risks for fear that they could backfire and get blamed on him. Hence the pathetic response to PG&E and his "we need universal healthcare for the state NOW" campaign being walked back to "we'll create a commission to research all possible methods of improving healthcare in the state, one of which might be a public option."
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Can't wait to see Newsom be Buttigieg 2.0 on the national stage he's already locked up the wine cave vote
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Sydin posted:But yeah for now it's relatively safe to assume he's going to continue to be more or less center-left on most issues, my only major gripe is that he's unwilling to take risks for fear that they could backfire and get blamed on him. Hence the pathetic response to PG&E and his "we need universal healthcare for the state NOW" campaign being walked back to "we'll create a commission to research all possible methods of improving healthcare in the state, one of which might be a public option." My opinion is that Newsom basically embodies this dril tweet except the dial says "Progressivism" https://twitter.com/dril/status/841892608788041732
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Can't wait to see Newsom be Buttigieg 2.0 on the national stage Harris 2.0. Maybe even worse. You guys are certainly familiar with how unpopular Californians are in other states. Newsom is going to be looked at as the guy who oversaw all the transplants coming to your state, and he’s done a poor job keeping the middle class from being priced out of his state.
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BeAuMaN posted:good masks. also remember that an N95 mask isn't an N95 if you have any substantial amount of facial hair under the edges of it. this is why firefighters are always clean-shaven or mustache-only; a mask with a leaky seal at the edge is a mask that isn't doing much
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OMGVBFLOL posted:to be clear, a mask is always better than no mask, because even with a leaky seal at least some of the air's being filtered. but the effectiveness goes up dramatically if you can get an airtight seal Swap those cheap included straps for Real Man ratchet straps.
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Jan 15, 2020 19:02
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Does Buttar even have the tiniest chance of beating Pelosi?
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Jan 15, 2020 19:06
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actionjackson posted:Does Buttar even have the tiniest chance of beating Pelosi? No. But it's still a worthwhile fight.
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actionjackson posted:Does Buttar even have the tiniest chance of beating Pelosi? Of course not. But, with jungle primaries it's possible that the general election could be between her and him. That would be nice for getting a good progressive message out to a wider audience. I've never seen any polling on it, though, so I have no idea how probable that is.
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actionjackson posted:Does Buttar even have the tiniest chance of beating Pelosi? Currently, he does. Bernie being in the general brings a lot of people to the booth who would vote for Shahid if they'd heard of him, and he will get a lot of free media attention for being a smooth-talking suit-wearing immigrant EFF lawyer dj who won't shut up about destroying the settlers mindset and attacking her royal majesty of impeachment. His presentation and history give him purchase in succ media channels that usually filter out people with his views. He will get #2 in the primary, but the better he does in it, the faster the story will snowball. It's a long time till November, plenty of time for impeachment to give people nothing that they want, for more walls and cages to get funded, etc, etc. e: If Sanders somehow isn't the nominee, I'd spend more time on Jackie Fielder's campaign to throw Scott Weiner down the stairs. But there is absolutely a road to victory for Shahid right now. Doc Hawkins fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Jan 15, 2020 |
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Craptacular! posted:Harris 2.0. Maybe even worse. It’s definitely a possibility that “he’s from California” will be a smear that’ll stick to Newsom. While judging someone based on where they’re from isn’t as common as it used to be (as evidenced by how hard the South voted for noted loud-mouthed yankee Donald Jefferson Trump), everyone hates Californians. They’re seen as insufferably smug at best and an invasion force directly responsible for your local housing crisis at worst.
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Having somewhat recently moved to California, I have to say the ratio of people here that act like they’re the only ones in the world seems way out of wack compared to everywhere else I’ve lived. It’s really odd.
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Whenever I visit my parents in Chicago and we see extended family I always get a handful of passive aggressive comments lobbed my way about my choice to continue living in elitist California. From people of both political extremes. It's kinda wild.
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Jan 15, 2020 20:26
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Being the Golden West certainly paints a picture to the rest of the country, both good and bad. Perceived California Exceptionalism is very real.
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Jan 15, 2020 20:47
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who was the last D/R nominee from CA? Reagan?
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OMGVBFLOL posted:who was the last D/R nominee from CA? Reagan? then nixon before that we aren't sending our best, folks
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OMGVBFLOL posted:who was the last D/R nominee from CA? Reagan? Yeah. However, Reagan came off as an affable midwestern-born grandpa from Orange County back when it was filled with orchards, not as an elitist city slicker. There was also no affordability crisis yet to prompt a mass exodus of Californians that would exacerbate housing crises in other states. Plus California was a purple state in those days and not as big of a target for RWM wrath and scorn like it is now.
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When I was studying in Syria back before the civil war people would introduce themselves and where they were from and there were several Americans, but I introduced myself as being from California. The teacher laughed, and asked if I was also from the USA, since California part of the USA.I observed that Californians always introduce themselves as Californians abroad, a fact which was confirmed by the other Californian in the class, and which I imagine other people here have experienced. The geography, climate, and economy of California are all meaningfully distinct from the rest of the US. That's a material fact. Alaskans also see themselves as distinct for similar reasons, it's just that there aren't as many of them and their political and economic impact on the country isn't as significant as a result. It's only elitism (rather than just regionalism) to the extent that California-ness is seen as inherently high-status due to the huge cultural output of LA and to a lesser extent San Francisco. NYC is also accused of elitism for the same reason. One of the things you hear is like, "Californians think they're better than us." I think it's more that there are just different material concerns which are a product of the stuff I mentioned above, and so Californian political culture seems dismissive of other issues around the country.
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CA is an exceptional state. I'm sorry, I'm leaving soon but it's true. There's a bunch of reasons for that but one of them is massive federal infrastructure projects in the 30s - 60s and another is burning up centuries of natural resources at an insane rate. A third is that it maintained a frontier innovation mindset and so a bunch of "new" industry powerhouses like tech and movies ended up in our state. And to be clear, a lot of that is coming to an end. CA is going to decline, sadly.
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ProperGanderPusher posted:Yeah. However, Reagan came off as an affable midwestern-born grandpa from Orange County back when it was filled with orchards, not as an elitist city slicker. There was also no affordability crisis yet to prompt a mass exodus of Californians that would exacerbate housing crises in other states. Plus California was a purple state in those days and not as big of a target for RWM wrath and scorn like it is now. that was what i figured; that the last nominee came before the first housing crunch and subsequent blueshift.
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