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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I still think Rascals has the most bizarre tonal dissonance, where the direction and music are all "huh, looks like we've got a problem here" but the actual words are "holy poo poo like half the lower decks just exploded, we're loving dying" Are you sure you don't mean Disaster?
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I'm not sure how that would have worked, since Geordi wasn't originally in a leadership role, although having the surgeon be the guy with the super-vision would make sense in its own way. In my hypothetical I’d have just cast him as the CMO instead of putting him on the bridge in the first season. I know Gene and others were obsessed with doing some “the blind man piloting the ship” thing with him, but you can wring just as much cliche out of “the once-blind man now healing others”. Then you’d have also had better connective tissue between Wesley and Beverly beyond just the mother/son dynamic if she’d been Chief Engineer. Wes’s dad just had some nebulous command role, growing up with only his mom around would have made his engineering knack make more sense instead of just attributing it to some innate genius-level ability.
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Beachcomber posted:Are you sure you don't mean Disaster? No, I'm referring to the scene where the Ferengi pirates attack the Enterprise.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:No, I'm referring to the scene where the Ferengi pirates attack the Enterprise. Guess it's time for my biennial rewatch.
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Entropic posted:I can't imagine believing the new Picard show is gonna be good. I can imagine giving it an honest shot. But pre-believing it's going to be good, yikes.
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Son of Sam-I-Am posted:I can imagine giving it an honest shot. But pre-believing it's going to be good, yikes. I'm not buying CBS whatever so I'm free to speculate as carelessly as I like.
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STP  How is the death toll for this attack only 3000?
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HD DAD posted:One of the more interesting things about Descent (okay the only interesting thing) was that they seriously considered crashing the Enterprise at the end of part one, with the possibility of either Crusher or Troi dying, since I think both McFadden’s and Sirtis’s contracts were up at the end of season 6. You're correct about McFadden and Sirtis' contracts, but "seriously considered" crashing the saucer is overstating it a bit. It was in the first draft that Moore wrote (hence the title, Descent), but the producers took one look at it, got a bid for what it would cost and then they basically said "lol no" to Moore. Farmer Crack-rear end posted:They were already a dead series by the time the fourth season started. Yep. Enterprise got a fourth season by the skin of its teeth and all of the production staff--Berman, Braga, Manny Coto--were told by UPN, "You're done after season 4 unless you rebound to TNG-era ratings," which was never going to happen.
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Thom12255 posted:STP Critical, but almost entirely-automated, production facilities being targetted? It might actually end up being a plot point "they're crippling our infrastructure while minimizing casualties for some reason" e: actually if the Borg are involved somehow, but not powerful enough anymore to just steamroll civilizations, IMO the above reasoning would make a lot of sense. Neutralize the enemy but leave as many of them alive as possible for MAXIMUM ASSIMILATION e2: predictions based off this: Starfleet is loving with weakened Borg at that secret facility. Somehow the captive Borg learn that the new synth-type androids of the day can be basically digitally assimilated over long distances, or otherwise very easily bent to the will of the Borg, and uses them as a preliminary strike team in advance of a larger invasion/resurgence. The scenes of Picard in the facility where they seem to be making new synths are scenes where the creators of the synths are trying to explain/justify how there's no possible way these androids could go haywire or be controlled by the Borg. Dialogue between Data and Picard will involve Picard agonizing over the fact that he fought so hard to have Data (and other androids) recognized as real people, but now the enemy he must destroy is a bunch of androids being controlled by the Borg. Snow Cone Capone fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Jan 10, 2020 |
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Snow Cone Capone posted:Critical, but almost entirely-automated, production facilities being targetted? I wouldn't have a problem with that but the SFX team might not have gotten the memo. It's hard to believe that 9/11 can kill 3000 people with two buildings collapsing but hurricane-sized nuclear explosions (with huge visible shockwaves) going off next to shipyards and cities across a planet is considered an equivalent.
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Thom12255 posted:I wouldn't have a problem with that but the SFX team might not have gotten the memo. It's hard to believe that 9/11 can kill 3000 people with two buildings collapsing but hurricane-sized nuclear explosions (with huge visible shockwaves) going off next to shipyards and cities across a planet is considered an equivalent. Also The Xindi weapon carving a swath out of Florida (good riddance) and killing 7 million people, wheras only 3k bite it here in what looks like a larger amount of devastation. It's definitely a case of the SFX not properly informing what the story is.
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Thom12255 posted:I wouldn't have a problem with that but the SFX team might not have gotten the memo. Yeah, I could argue some justifications but in all likelihood it's this
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Thom12255 posted:STP What you don't see are the shield bubbles underneath the explosions and the emergency mass transporters snatching people out of unshielded or failing facilities.
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MikeJF posted:What you don't see are the shield bubbles underneath the explosions and the emergency mass transporters snatching people out of unshielded or failing facilities. Yeah there's plenty of reasonable  that could explain it3000 civilians is A Lot to the feds and that's really all that matters
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The Bloop posted:3000 civilians is A Lot to the feds and that's really all that matters And possibly the Federation losing a huge amount of their shipbuilding capability will be plot relevant.
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Thom12255 posted:How is the death toll for this attack only 3000? Well if it was anything else, it wouldn't be an EXACT 9/11 analogue, now would it?
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It's about time Star Trek did something about 9/11!
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Finally Picard will get to the TRUTH of the matter
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Drink-Mix Man posted:It's about time Star Trek did something about 9/11! It took some real courage to imagine "what if there was a space 9/11?" for the 5th time. Actually if this matches up with the interview posted earlier, it might indicate that THIS space 9/11 is what turned the Federation inward and more xenophobic... which Picard will be fighting against?
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The only way this could be good is if was about finally loving getting over 9/11 and moving on
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HD DAD posted:The only way this could be good is if was about finally loving getting over 9/11 and moving on Right, it was a shocking event that took place approximately 18 years prior to the Picard show.
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I just discovered that the Air Force has a team called Section 31. They're part of the Kobayashi Maru program. It works with another program called Kessel Run, which uses a silhouette of the Millennium Falcon as a logo. I'm not sure what to make of this.
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God, I’m so worried that STP might have the characters look worried sometimes and not have all the problems solved at the end of the episode (but do have them solved at the end of the season), because then it will officially be grimdark. The nightmare scenario is that Star Trek: Picard reflects current politics, something the franchise has never ever done before.
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IF they want the Federation to be evil, they should have them sending death robots to enemy systems to vaporize political targets from space, also the surrounding area around the targeted figure such as traffic or a wedding or a hospital. Then, make every single representative of the Federation come up with mealy-mouthed reasons why this is obviously in the best interests of the galaxy as a whole.
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Sash! posted:I just discovered that the Air Force has a team called Section 31. Same tbf.
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Brawnfire posted:IF they want the Federation to be evil, they should have them sending death robots to enemy systems to vaporize political targets from space, also the surrounding area around the targeted figure such as traffic or a wedding or a hospital. They sent out at least two. They didn't hit any target that Earth had political relations with at the time, though. Just civilians.
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Thom12255 posted:STP Compare this to the image of the insides of the Enterprise and Discovery being giant vast voids with roller coasters of turbolifts and yeah, the vfx crew really gives a poo poo about logical/plausible looking things beside making thing looks :kickenrad: Jar Jar Abrams was like the worst thing to happen to Trek.
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Noah Hawley, who is attached to direct Star Trek 4, is saying that they are still working on a script and that he has a 'different vision' for how to do the movies than they have been done lately (and cites things from TNG and Wrath of Khan) https://www.ign.com/articles/noah-hawley-hints-his-star-trek-movie-might-include-a-new-cast
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“Noah, we really like your idea, but in order to fund it, we need you to add Space 9/11 and Spock. It’ll really engage with our demographic.”
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Sir Lemming posted:The one on the right looks like a woman with a fake mustache, despite being sourced from two men Yo this is a really hosed up opinion and I will now start a three page derail by calling you out with this paragraph of personal attacks:
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