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drawkcab si eman ym
Jan 2, 2006

But what about Pennsylvania?

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sirtommygunn
Mar 7, 2013



:sigh: my dad is all in on Andrew Yang, he's even trying to get signatures to get him on the ballot. I hope Yang drops out by the time New York's turn to vote comes around because he's at least got Bernie as his #2 guy.

oxsnard
Oct 8, 2003
The Pete Butt subreddit is hilarious right now


quote:

if pete has a breakout at the next debate like he had 3 debates ago, i really think he will have the momentum to win iowa. it is kind of hard to break out and dominate when others are attacking you. but he just needs to really explain how idiotic warren and klobuchars attacks are when they attack him. he needs to make it so their idiotic attacks don’t stick. the key to iowa is to get hot late. i think pete can do this

oxsnard fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Jan 11, 2020

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

reminder:

https://twitter.com/DMRegister/status/1215774067745226752

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

oxsnard posted:

The Pete Butt subreddit is hilarious right now

Wow, it really goes to show how dumb you have to be to be a strong Pete supporter. If you think that Warren’s attacks were bad, you must have a potato for a brain.

zetamind2000
Nov 6, 2007

I'm an alien.

oxsnard posted:

The Pete Butt subreddit is hilarious right now

I like the implied concession that Pete has no chance of defending himself if Bernie attacks him in the debate

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

overmind2000 posted:

I like the implied concession that Pete has no chance of defending himself if Bernie attacks him in the debate

im looking forward to klobuchar throwing a few dozen binders at pete in this upcoming debate. the little guy is going to get hit from all sides. his support is soft and everyone wants to snag those precious, precious moderates that like him

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?


Hair Elf

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

I just watched the Sanders interview on Colbert last night and he loving killed it.

He's gonna loving win

I posted earlier but my dad who been a Biden fan (electability :jerkbag:), but he texted me this morning after being extremely impressed by him. Though I think my dad is terminally scarred by how Fox News was able to destroy every democrat and their policy, and is afraid that the populace can't handle subtlety

The Glumslinger fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Jan 11, 2020

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007


BitcoinRockefeller
May 11, 2003

God gave me my money.

Hair Elf

John Wick of Dogs posted:

Cause his supporters will... Redouble their efforts!!!

Lol at anyone who thinks bidens going to hoover up the small candidate's supporters. His whole pitch is electability and if he's got the 4th biggest group in the room he doesn't even have that, so what's the pitch then? I could see him losing people when they start moving around.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

Biden supporters are lovely people but they're weak. Mentally, physically, and morally. When it's time to caucus and they see Bernie with the much bigger group, they will go to Bernie. They will see his strength and seek his protection.

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


Gripweed posted:

Biden supporters are lovely people but they're weak. Mentally, physically, and morally. When it's time to caucus and they see Bernie with the much bigger group, they will go to Bernie. They will see his strength and seek his protection.

If Bernie goes up during the next debate, looks right in the camera and demands tribute, he will jump to 40%

KIM JONG TRILL
Nov 29, 2006

GIN AND JUCHE

John Wick of Dogs posted:

If Bernie goes up during the next debate, looks right in the camera and demands tribute, he will jump to 40%

I hope Bernie keeps the gloves off against Biden as he has the last week or so. Bernie taking a direct shot at him followed by an stumbling, addled Biden response will be the nail in his coffin.

droll
Jan 9, 2020

by Azathoth
I don't want Bernie on the 'attack' except to stay on message re: multi-millionaire/billionaire donations with maybe a spattering of 'y u no m4a??'. Save that poo poo for the General. Bernie going full mad socialist Jewish man on Trump will be so glorious, the memelords of 4chan will have no choice but to support it.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 4 hours!

Gripweed posted:

Biden supporters are lovely people but they're weak. Mentally, physically, and morally. When it's time to caucus and they see Bernie with the much bigger group, they will go to Bernie. They will see his strength and seek his protection.

They aren't lovely people they are loving morons.

spunkshui
Oct 5, 2011



Vox Nihili posted:

No. Doing an early VP pick always screams desperation.

But if he cant campaign it would be a very good excuse. She could do events in his place. The news cycle would be forced to cover it. It would hurt the "hes too old" argument.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

droll posted:

I don't want Bernie on the 'attack' except to stay on message re: multi-millionaire/billionaire donations with maybe a spattering of 'y u no m4a??'. Save that poo poo for the General. Bernie going full mad socialist Jewish man on Trump will be so glorious, the memelords of 4chan will have no choice but to support it.

He will just point out that Biden wanted to cut Social Security and voted for the Iraq war. Both factual points.

Wicked Them Beats
Apr 1, 2007

Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

I love when Bernie goes in with the nice guy we're all friends routine but he's just getting ready to twist the knife:

"My friend Joe, great guy known him for years... how's the wife Joe, she doing good? Wonderful. Wonderful lady. Anyways me and Joe have our differences. I voted against going to Iraq, Joe voted for it. I voted to help working families, Joe voted to help banks. I voted against NAFTA, Joe voted for it" etc etc etc

And what's Biden going to come back with? Probably something about pragmatic legislating or "how you gonna pay for that," and Bernie gets an easy layup with either a quick line from a campaign speech or telling Joe that we pay for everything by taxing the billionaires contributing to Biden's Super PAC.

Edit: debate wild card is how much the moderators have the knives out for Bernie. They might try to really go after him this time and he'll need to be ready to take on the usual bad faith questions. Klob and Butt and Biden aren't threats, but "impartial" moderators can get away with framing things really unfavorably if they get the opportunity. Of course if they do go after him hard it means Bernie gets to talk more, which is likely a win for Bernie since he's the one up there who actually has good ideas and believes in what he's saying.

Wicked Them Beats fucked around with this message at 05:13 on Jan 11, 2020

Cattail Prophet
Apr 12, 2014

So I don't really feel like digging up a headline for it, but apparently Bloomberg committed to using his funding and infrastructure to campaign on behalf of whoever the nominee ends up being. Supposing for the moment that he actually follows through, what would this end up meaning in the context of Bernie's small donor pledge (because he's going to win, you see)?

Admittedly I'm not very familiar with campaign finance regs or the exact details of Bernie's commitments wrt his funding sources, but my understanding is that it wouldn't necessarily violate the letter of the pledge because Bloomberg would essentially be acting as an independent PAC; is there some mechanism by which Bernie can go "thanks but no thanks" and tell Bloomberg to gently caress off and keep his money (to be taxed later) in a way that's actually enforceable?

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

Cattail Prophet posted:

So I don't really feel like digging up a headline for it, but apparently Bloomberg committed to using his funding and infrastructure to campaign on behalf of whoever the nominee ends up being. Supposing for the moment that he actually follows through, what would this end up meaning in the context of Bernie's small donor pledge (because he's going to win, you see)?

Admittedly I'm not very familiar with campaign finance regs or the exact details of Bernie's commitments wrt his funding sources, but my understanding is that it wouldn't necessarily violate the letter of the pledge because Bloomberg would essentially be acting as an independent PAC; is there some mechanism by which Bernie can go "thanks but no thanks" and tell Bloomberg to gently caress off and keep his money (to be taxed later) in a way that's actually enforceable?

I think if Bernie told Bloomberg to stop and he did, that would actually be the illegal thing.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

https://twitter.com/wideofthepost/status/1215695224862846977?s=20

oxsnard
Oct 8, 2003
If Bloomberg wants to run attack ads on Trump while supporting anti-suppression campaigns, there's no reason to stop him tbh

gandlethorpe
Aug 16, 2008

:gowron::m10:
How is she 67? I gotta start grinding up orbs and rubbing them into my skin

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Dancing Queen.:patriot:

oxsnard
Oct 8, 2003
lol

https://twitter.com/thomaskaplan/status/1215838257151299584?s=20

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


Well being on Twitter for around the last 15 minutes I can tell you exactly what everyone at the debate is going to try on Sanders. It's all going to be gun control and insinuations about since the NRA doesn't go after him enough he's on the take

GonadTheBallbarian
Jul 23, 2007


Bernie Sanders: New England Patriots :: Joe Biden: Atlanta Falcons

At least, if the numbers about 2nd choices in IA are to be believed

Wicked Them Beats
Apr 1, 2007

Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

https://twitter.com/missjellinsky/status/1215421135304712192?s=20

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



I mean, to be fair, that's probably the only real way to respond to that stuff at this point

oxsnard
Oct 8, 2003

FlamingLiberal posted:

I mean, to be fair, that's probably the only real way to respond to that stuff at this point

i agree actually. It's still hilarious

oxsnard
Oct 8, 2003
https://twitter.com/jmpalmieri/status/1215821379460747264

hillary comms director. Donut twitter is melting down in the replies, it's great

mutata
Mar 1, 2003

I want to believe. I wonder how many of the leftovers in these polls are "never bernies". I've been a part of echo chambers on these forms before. Back in 2015 I drew this:

https://www.instagram.com/p/7_GRb9AwtL/?igshid=vc2za9cr0koh

Put my bumper sticker on today and I got a weekly kick in going. Here's hoping, y'all.

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


FlamingLiberal posted:

I mean, to be fair, that's probably the only real way to respond to that stuff at this point

No, what would be better is "He's right behind you" and he's wearing a sign that says "I'm right here, I'm Hunter"

Captain Lavender
Oct 21, 2010

verb the adjective noun

oxsnard posted:

https://twitter.com/jmpalmieri/status/1215821379460747264

hillary comms director. Donut twitter is melting down in the replies, it's great

https://twitter.com/sduffey/status/1215825261641465856

:nallears:

I'm the dumbest person in my family, just in terms of mental faculties, and I'm also the only one that thinks Sanders is the best option for victory in November, so that's been tough. I don't think I'm wrong. I generally fail though to defend that for any reason other than that I believe his messaging, which is so effective to low-engagement voters from any alignment, is the best chance the Democrats have. I still think about that Joe Rogan podcast, and how his Bernie segment resulted in a libertarian-leaning youtube comment section of all places to be universally united in support of his message. I think if you put any candidate in front of 1000 random low-engagement voters, Sanders would consistently get the most support, and turn the most into engaged voters.

KIM JONG TRILL
Nov 29, 2006

GIN AND JUCHE

Cattail Prophet posted:

So I don't really feel like digging up a headline for it, but apparently Bloomberg committed to using his funding and infrastructure to campaign on behalf of whoever the nominee ends up being. Supposing for the moment that he actually follows through, what would this end up meaning in the context of Bernie's small donor pledge (because he's going to win, you see)?

Admittedly I'm not very familiar with campaign finance regs or the exact details of Bernie's commitments wrt his funding sources, but my understanding is that it wouldn't necessarily violate the letter of the pledge because Bloomberg would essentially be acting as an independent PAC; is there some mechanism by which Bernie can go "thanks but no thanks" and tell Bloomberg to gently caress off and keep his money (to be taxed later) in a way that's actually enforceable?

Plausible scenarios (from most to least):

1. Bloomberg is lying and won't do it for Bernie
2. Bernie politely declines and urges him to use his resources for Senate/House/State races.
3. Bernie tells him to gently caress off and Bloomberg runs a bunch of anti-trump ads on his own.


That's honestly about the only decent way to respond to that.

KIM JONG TRILL
Nov 29, 2006

GIN AND JUCHE

I really love the "when are they going to vet Bernie" schtick going around, as if he hasn't been relentlessly attacked for the last 4 years. But I especially love it when it's a ex-Clinton staffer saying it, because it's a tacit admission that they ran an incredibly lovely campaign to not even vet their (essentially) one and only opponent.

oxsnard
Oct 8, 2003
50 year old middle class white women loving hate Bernie, jesus

Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002


imagine learning the electoral college exists when you're middle aged

oxsnard
Oct 8, 2003
This vox piece was good re: black voters


https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/11/4/20926701/black-voters-democratic-primary-2020

quote:

Take, for example, the aforementioned 2008 Democratic presidential primary. While then-Sen. Barack Obama’s success over Hillary Clinton is often remembered — as is the fact that black voters began to overwhelmingly support him after the Iowa Caucus — what often isn’t as readily acknowledged is that for months before this, there had been a noticeable split in the black voters backing him and the black voters who weren’t. Early in the contest, Obama was supported mainly by younger black voters, as older voters and many black politicians backed Clinton, pointing to her established history in the black community, her work during her husband’s presidential administration, and for some, their belief that Obama wasn’t well-known enough to be electable.

Blows my mind that Obama and Clinton were 50:50 among black voters in the South

https://twitter.com/jemelehill/status/1172549979602161665?s=20

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Thump!
Nov 25, 2007

Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!



Son of Thunderbeast posted:



imagine learning the electoral college exists when you're middle aged


:wrong::smugdon:

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