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Hellblazer187 posted:OK do any of them have broadcast presence that regular people would watch in Japan then? Dragongate is on MBS in Kansai which is broadcast which makes three on broadcast. Their show is basically the exact thing as what NJPW/Stardom are doing nationwide.
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NotQuiteQuentin posted:Dragongate is on MBS in Kansai which is broadcast which makes three on broadcast. Their show is basically the exact thing as what NJPW/Stardom are doing nationwide. It’s big for a big region but that’s like having a show on the NBC affiliate in New York or LA versus being a national broadcast. Even stuffed at 3 am or whenever, NJPW at least still has that. I wonder if AJPW is on GAORA’s streaming as well.
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With today's opening round of the Twin Gate tournament out of the way, they've confirmed the card for tomorrow which I'll spoil in case someone didn't see the show this morning. 12/1/2020 Dragon Gate Open The New Year Gate Edion Arena, Osaka 3:45AM EST, 12:45AM PST, 8:45AM GMT, 5:45PM JST Open the Twin Gate Title Decision Tournament 2nd Round Big R Shimizu & Eita vs Ben-K & YAMATO Open the Twin Gate Title Decision Tournament 2nd Round Jason Lee & Yosuke♡Santa Maria vs Masato Yoshino & Susumu Yokosuka Don Fujii, Naruki Doi & Ultimo Dragon vs HYO, Kaito Ishida & Takashi Yoshida Open the Twin Gate Title Decision Tournament 2nd Round BxB Hulk & Kazma Sakamoto vs Genki Horiguchi & Ryo Saito Gamma, Martin Kirby & Problem Dragon vs KAI, Keisuke Okuda & Yuki Yoshioka Masaaki Mochizuki vs Oji Shiiba Open the Twin Gate Title Decision Tournament 2nd Round Dragon Dia & Kzy vs Dragon Kid & Kagetora I'll be honest, show this morning was fun but then Ultimo Dragon appeared & I fell back asleep.
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coconono posted:the vibe I've always gotten from the japanese wrestling scene is its supported by people that are way more hardcore than US or Euro fans. Their patronage system is way more advanced. Also feels mainstream acceptance is more commonplace
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Watching Dragon Gate and Zero1 in the same day and remembering that Shinjiro Otani is younger than Masaaki Mochizuki. His hair just makes him look 20 years older than he actually is and makes you forget dude can still go (much like Mochi)
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Card for the first Dragongate Korakuen show of the year on Wednesday has been announced, featuring the semi-finals & finals of the Twin Gate title tournament. 15/1/2020 Dragongate Open The New Year Gate Korakuen Hall, Tokyo 4:15AM EST, 1:15AM PST, 9:15AM GMT, 6:15PM JST 48th Open The Twin Gate Title Tournament Finals Semi 1 winners vs Semi 2 winners Big R Shimizu, Eita & Kaito Ishida (R.E.D.) vs Genki Horiguchi, Kagetora & Naruki Doi (Toryumon) Dragon Kid & Ryo Saito (Toryumon) vs H.Y.O. & Takashi Yoshida (R.E.D.) vs KAI & Strong Machine J (Dragongate) Gamma, Kento Kobune, Masaaki Mochizuki & Taketo Kamei vs Jason Lee, Keisuke Okuda, Kota Minoura & Yuki Yoshioka Open The Twin Gate Title Tournament Semi-Final Ben-K & YAMATO (Dragongate) vs Masato Yoshino & Susumu Yokosuka (Toryumon) Open The Twin Gate Title Tournament Semi-Final BxB Hulk & Kazma Sakamoto (R.E.D.) vs Dragon Dia & Kzy (Dragongate) Conomama Ichikawa, Don Fujii, Kenichiro Arai & Yasushi Kanda vs Martin Kirby, Problem Dragon, Punch Tominaga & Yosuke♡Santa Maria
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Also feels mainstream acceptance is more commonplace
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RealFoxy posted:I watch a lot of Japanese comedies and dramas and it really isn’t unusual to see tons of Wrestling references. Random Romero special, random Aja Kong or Liger appearances, here’s Tanahashi on a talk show. Here you pretty much get Rock and occasionally Cena in mainstream stuff or talk shows lots of '80s references too, your Bruiser Brodies, etc. almost like their wrestling boom is, in retrospect, a lot less embarrassing than WWE's Attitude Era. Huh.
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I just signed up for DG network. Someone link me to some stuff I should watch. I also signed up to stardom and I think I'm not going to keep three services. So I'll see what I get the most enjoyment out of between them after 2 months and cancel one. There's only so much time in the day to watch wrestling.
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Hellblazer187 posted:I just signed up for DG network. Someone link me to some stuff I should watch. A good starting point would be the 2019 Kobe World show, which was the first Dragon Gate show to get English commentary, and serves as a good starting off point for the current stretch of what DG is doing: https://dragongate.live/title/?program=match_KPF2019_EC. My show of the year. Also the 2011 Kobe World show in the middle of the Blood Warriors/Junction Three war is a candidate for Dragon Gate's Show of the Decade, every match is fantastic or tons of fun: https://dragongate.live/title/?program=kobe_world&episode=1350 For a non-major show, check Infinity 550, which features a recap of Dead or Alive 2019, and then has the opening matches of the King of Gate tournament at Korakuen Hall the following week, which are all very good and was low-key one of my favorite shows of 2019. https://dragongate.live/title/?program=comp_infinity2019&episode=12
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I'll watch the Kobe show. I'm watching the PAC/BenK match right now. Have they done any English commentary since then? If so I'll watch anything in English and then just catch upcoming shows with Japanese commentary. I have to admit I'm really not understanding now to navigate this. If I wanted to like, for instance watch the 2019 King of Gate I'm not sure how I'd do that. In the NJPW thread we always say "go watch the G1" to get caught up on everyone. Would that be essentially the equivalent? Edit: I know there was a 12/15 event but I have no idea how to navigate to that on this network, for instance. Hellblazer187 fucked around with this message at 04:49 on Jan 13, 2020 |
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Hellblazer187 posted:I'll watch the Kobe show. I'm watching the PAC/BenK match right now. Have they done any English commentary since then? If so I'll watch anything in English and then just catch upcoming shows with Japanese commentary. I have to admit I'm really not understanding now to navigate this. If I wanted to like, for instance watch the 2019 King of Gate I'm not sure how I'd do that. In the NJPW thread we always say "go watch the G1" to get caught up on everyone. Would that be essentially the equivalent? Oh the website and it's layout are awful, it constantly logs me out for no reason while trying to get to shows, and the archives are spotty because of dumb TV rights poo poo with GAORA. But this is still an improvement over buying each show individually using like three separate Japanese websites to try and buy something. Anyways, the other shows with English commentary are Dangerous Gate, Gate of Destiny, Final Gate, and the two December Korakuen shows. The upcoming Korakuen on the 15th will also have English commentary. King of Gate is weird because it's not huge in the way the G1 is so a lot of the matches are spread out over a bunch of essentially house shows as they tour for that month, rather than being an appointment event like the G1, so not everything makes tape and sometimes what does is essentially unedited no commentary hard cam footage. The finals are here on Infinity 513: https://dragongate.live/title/?program=comp_infinity2019&episode=16 Essentially the archives are incomplete and you should yell at Jae on twitter about it. Dimebags Brain fucked around with this message at 04:55 on Jan 13, 2020 |
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Ok let's say I wanted to watch one of those. How would I go about finding final gate? I tried searching and came up with nothing.
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Hellblazer187 posted:Ok let's say I wanted to watch one of those. How would I go about finding final gate? I tried searching and came up with nothing. One of the things about the Dragon Gate Network is that shows are taken down after a week until they are eventually aired a month or two later on GAORA TV. This sucks and everyone knows it sucks but it's a concession they had to make to GAORA (who are part owners of DG) to even get the network. If you can't find it it's because GAORA hasn't let them put it up yet.
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Why all the gates What happens when you open all the gates
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Smoking Crow posted:Why all the gates The best part of Dragongate is that the Open The Dream Gate title challengers get a key (y'know, to open the gate?) & then if they lose the key gets added to the champs belt. It's an aesthetic.
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So if I signed up for DragonGate Network, can I watch 2000s era Dragon Gate?
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Sorry, that's unhelpful. No. They have been uploading about 1 episode of Toryumon a month, which means that there's not very many of them. There's about 20 of them, from the 1999 until just starting 2001. I hope they will then get around to uploading old DG but the Infinity archive only goes from 2017. Other than that all they've got is all the Kobe World shows from 2004 onwards. I really enjoy Dragongate but it's loving hard to honestly recommend it because it's expensive relative to just about every other streaming service and the archives are slim, & live shows are only on there for a week before getting kicked off until GAORA airs it maybe a month later. So unless you want to watch live Dragongate it's just not worth it. Which sucks, because the company puts on some great wrestling but jesus the barrier to entry is far too high.
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forkboy84 posted:The best part of Dragongate is that the Open The Dream Gate title challengers get a key (y'know, to open the gate?) & then if they lose the key gets added to the champs belt. It's an aesthetic. So when you win the belt you enter the gate? What is in there
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Smoking Crow posted:So when you win the belt you enter the gate? What is in there Only people who've opened the gate know, and they won't say. Even the ones no longer in DG like CIMA.
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its Lanny Poffo laying in bed watching wrestling. The whole experience is so surreal it'll probably start a religion in a century.
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Seems like it's still easier to follow DG than say, NOAH or AJPW though, due to them having a bit more English support. I'll just start with the 1/15 show in English and make sure I watch it this week. If I love it I'll keep going.
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Hellblazer187 posted:Seems like it's still easier to follow DG than say, NOAH or AJPW though, due to them having a bit more English support. Honestly, if you've got the time I recommend checking in on the 2 shows from this weekend, at least to watch the Open the Twin Gate tournament matches. Some of them are very good and it will set you up for the semi-finals & finals on Wednesday. The thing with NOAH & All Japan is generally what happens is very straight forward. I'm not from the Erick Stevens school of "ONLY IDIOTS LISTEN TO ENGLISH COMMENTARY NEW JAPAN" but I will say that I have found it very easy to follow what's going on despite my Japanese being no more than "Suzuki-gun, ichiban!". It's two guys and they both want to win and that's really about it. Okay, you get stuff like the ending of Lee/Miyahara where after the match Aoyagi turns on Miyahara but you don't actually need to know what he's saying to get the gist of him beating down the dude who was his Real World Tag League partner. It's simple stuff. And NOAH is even easier. Just follow Hisame on Twitter, she's amazing for translating promos & generally putting across what's happening in a way that is comparable to the guy who runs the Dramatic DDT blog & Jae who used to do a similar fansite for Dragongate. Talking of NOAH, the 4/1 show is hopefully going to be online in the next 24 hours or so. Should be about an hour left of the G+ broadcast. I really want to see the main event, the Jr title match, National title match & honestly, the return of Doug Williams to NOAH is something I'll find fun. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Jan 13, 2020 |
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Great Sasuke is coming to my local lucha indie. I hope he jumps off something wearing a barrel https://twitter.com/PWRevolution/status/1216782359690870784?s=19
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PWR is cool. IIRC they were one of the rando feds that go involved with that FloSports debacle. Ultimo Panda and El Hijo De Trump.
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They're a cool promotion and their live events are really fun. They're also affiliated with NJPW and provide logistical support for their Bay Area shows.
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Smoking Crow posted:So when you win the belt you enter the gate? What is in there joke answer: you find out what magnum tokyo is really up to in 2019 real answer: they have a name plate behind the silver dragon emblem. usually says "Name, XTH Generation Open the Dream Gate King, Date of Win" i can't find the photo/might be off the internet, but after cima's monster reign they took a photo of his plate and it was super worn/getting corroded. dgnet is good if you can take the time to watch shows within the week but i cannot possibly recommend it. the retro episodes are cool because they are remasters, but they are incredibly slow in getting it all up there (gaora owns everything so it's not a rights issue). dg met with gaora in december in an attempt to make it more western friendly, but that's probably just going to be more shows with lenny/larry/jae than actually adapting the network to what the rest of the wrestling world does with ott services. gaora was basically forced to make the network to begin with so they aren't going to be putting incredible resources behind it unless it's clearly going to make them a bunch of money.
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So what’s the best way to actually watch Dragon Gate this year?
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I dunno about Cali, but he was definitely in Atlantic City for Tournament of Survival 4 last year.
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Punch McLightning posted:So what’s the best way to actually watch Dragon Gate this year? The easiest way to watch current Dragon Gate is the DG Network as long as you’re willing to watch within a week of the show airing, you shouldn’t have a problem accessing those shows.
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It's nice that Dragon Gate enforces the "No Old Wrestling" law.
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forkboy84 posted:Card for the first Dragongate Korakuen show of the year on Wednesday has been announced, featuring the semi-finals & finals of the Twin Gate title tournament. Reminder, this is in 8 & a bit hours. Come see new Twin Gate Champs crowned!
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This 2vs2vs2 segment has felt like it's gone on forever and oh my god I'm turning hard on the Toryumon faction, it's just full of people who should not be around or should be stuck in opening matches. Why am I about to see Ryo Saito challenge for the Triangle Gate?
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forkboy84 posted:Card for the first Dragongate Korakuen show of the year on Wednesday has been announced, featuring the semi-finals & finals of the Twin Gate title tournament. drat my sensible working hours for missing some DG Korakuen goodness. And I'm yet to watch the two previous shows... And NOAH 1/4... and that ICW New York show... But yeah, while I do enjoy the idea of the generational warfare, there's a lot of old and dead weight in the Toryumon side.
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Hellblazer187 posted:Does English commentary come later? I thought someone in this thread said 1/15 show would have English commentary. Nope, it's the Korakuen at the end of the month that has English commentary.
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forkboy84 posted:Nope, it's the Korakuen at the end of the month that has English commentary. Ah makes sense. OK. So, I read the factions were disbanded at the end of last year. But I started watching the 1/15 show and there was a long segment with some guys in black and gold, and then some guys in black and blue, and then later RED came in and was dicks to everyone. Also on the 1/11 show I started watching, some guys before matches would like, hold up these blue shirts with signatures on them. Is this new factions forming? Is it OK if I come in and ask DG questions like this?
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