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https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1218927292472348679 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1219394967304581120 in conclusion, trump tower is a land of contrasts Doc Hawkins fucked around with this message at 04:54 on Jan 22, 2020 |
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VideoGameVet posted:LA (the city) has vastly improved mass transit now, compared to when I last lived here in the late 1990s. LA proper is fineish. The rest of the surrounding area is garbage.
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Jan 22, 2020 04:57
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yeah as long as you live and work in the transit accessible part you can legitimately live carless or as a one-car household in LA now. that wasn't possible basically anywhere in la 30 years ago unless you lived within walking distance of work
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Jan 22, 2020 05:42
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BUILD. NEW. URBANIST. Build a transit center in the suburbs with a link to the city, and surround it with 4-5 story condos. Build a small shopping center with condos on that. The thing about San Francisco is that the housing stock didn’t go down, demand went up. It went from a place that was kinda hard to love to where everybody suddenly wanted to be, and the biggest factor in that is working millennials coming into their own and deciding they didn’t want to be like their parents driving a car to every store and stuck on the freeway. The alternative to this is places physically located outside city limits but centrally positioned to provide excellent transit access to metropolitan downtown. It’s not going to cure everything, but it’ll reduce demand. It’ll trend toward being an expensive city again and not the most outrageously expensive city that it’s become.
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Jan 22, 2020 08:04
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The article homeboy links is some real blood-and-soil poo poo.
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Jan 22, 2020 08:39
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Craptacular! posted:BUILD. NEW. URBANIST. There are like 40,000 vacant homes in SF. The problem isn’t supply, it’s capitalism.
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Jan 22, 2020 11:31
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Centrist Committee posted:There are like 40,000 vacant homes in SF. The problem isn’t supply, it’s capitalism. Wasn't talking about achieving 100% occupancy in the city, but by bringing some of the services people move to the city for further out so that people who want some of the perks of city living without the cost have options. The difference in the city between now and the 80s-90s is that there have always been people who want to live in the city, and there have always been young geeks making shitloads of money staring at a computer screen, but they've become the same people. The class of tech money went from Xers who prefer McMansions in the South Bay's gated suburbs, to the next generation who want to lead carless lifestyles and pat themselves on the back for how progressive they are for a millionaire, thus San Francisco. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 12:43 on Jan 22, 2020 |
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Jan 22, 2020 12:38
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Centrist Committee posted:There are like 40,000 vacant homes in SF. The problem isn’t supply, it’s capitalism. I think this is a pretty big misunderstanding of why housing costs skyrocket in booming metropolitan areas, like the SF Bay Area.
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Jan 22, 2020 13:52
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Centrist Committee posted:There are like 40,000 vacant homes in SF. The problem isn’t supply, it’s capitalism. Capitalism also causes supply problems
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Jan 22, 2020 14:54
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silence_kit posted:I think this is a pretty big misunderstanding of why housing costs skyrocket in booming metropolitan areas, like the SF Bay Area. What's to misunderstand when he's right?
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Jan 22, 2020 18:27
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Buckwheat Sings posted:What's to misunderstand when he's right? The 40k (which is double what the articles from a couple pages ago say) includes things like properties for sale/rent, homes that aren't used year round, etc. It's not just empty money storage. There are no easy solutions for SF proper barring a huge earthquake knocking down everything shorter than 4 stories and replacing them with 10+ story buildings. Too many people want to live there and no one wants to live in afforable housing in Bakersfield or Visalia.
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Jan 22, 2020 18:46
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Zachack posted:There are no easy solutions for SF proper barring a huge earthquake knocking down everything shorter than 4 stories and replacing them with 10+ story buildings. Too many people want to live there and no one wants to live in afforable housing in Bakersfield or Visalia. So are you going to pray for an earthquake or help with us trying to do it the not-easy way?
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Jan 22, 2020 18:52
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Eh, a little of Column A, a little of Column B. 
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Jan 22, 2020 19:09
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I keep hearing reports that millennials actually by and large get sick of city living after they turn 30ish and decide to start a family. Hard to raise a baby in a one bedroom apartment without making your neighbors want to murder you. I’m getting to that point myself on top of wanting less noise and more room for my poo poo.
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Jan 22, 2020 19:29
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ProperGanderPusher posted:I keep hearing reports that millennials actually by and large get sick of city living after they turn 30ish and decide to start a family. Hard to raise a baby in a one bedroom apartment without making your neighbors want to murder you. I’m getting to that point myself on top of wanting less noise and more room for my poo poo. You think millenials are having kids?
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Jan 22, 2020 19:32
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I'm 28 and exactly one of my similarly aged friends has any interest in having kids. And even he seems more like he only wants it because his parents are  'ing about wanting grandchildren to him every time he visits. Personally I don't understand how anybody with the ability to choose if they have children or not could look at the state of climate change and where even the most conservative climate science says we'll be in the next ~50 years barring massive mitigating action, and think "yep this is the kind of environment I think a child deserves to grow up in." 
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Jan 22, 2020 19:39
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ProperGanderPusher posted:I keep hearing reports that millennials actually by and large get sick of city living after they turn 30ish and decide to start a family. Hard to raise a baby in a one bedroom apartment without making your neighbors want to murder you. I’m getting to that point myself on top of wanting less noise and more room for my poo poo. I'm in that boat - 37 with first kid on the way. It's not that I'm sick of urban living, but rather the extent to which landlords are permitted to walk all over their residents. No modifications, no painting, no pets, noise citations addressed to infants, landlords coming in at weird hours by lying and saying they gave notice, no children allowed on certain floors, no children allowed unescorted anywhere outside the primary residence itself, etc etc. I've lived in God only knows how many apartments around the USA now and they're all the same. The landlord merely suffers your presence and expects you to feel grateful that you have a roof at all while your lease bans cooking (Foster City) or unmarried guests staying overnight (Indianapolis). If I could afford to live in a city and NOT have a landlord I'd be all over that poo poo.
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Jan 22, 2020 19:48
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Jaxyon posted:You think millenials are having kids? ~half of millennials are parents now
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Jan 22, 2020 20:20
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ProperGanderPusher posted:I keep hearing reports that millennials actually by and large get sick of city living after they turn 30ish and decide to start a family. Hard to raise a baby in a one bedroom apartment without making your neighbors want to murder you. I’m getting to that point myself on top of wanting less noise and more room for my poo poo. Same as it ever was. The most you could say is that you're the first generation to go through this process while bitching about it on the internet. Literally every problem people complain about was also a thing 25 years ago when Gen X were doing it (NIMBYism, too high rents, stupid developers, evil capitalism, clueless government, etc.) and 50 years ago when the Boomers were doing it. (Yes, I enjoy wallowing in my detached cynicism, why do you ask?)
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Jan 22, 2020 20:42
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OMGVBFLOL posted:yeah as long as you live and work in the transit accessible part you can legitimately live carless or as a one-car household in LA now. that wasn't possible basically anywhere in la 30 years ago unless you lived within walking distance of work Metro's stat is that 80% of the population live within a short bike ride (I don't have the distance) of a train station. I'd love to see the calculation on this. I will say I see bikes aplenty on the Red Line. 
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Jan 22, 2020 21:28
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Sydin posted:I'm 28 and exactly one of my similarly aged friends has any interest in having kids. And even he seems more like he only wants it because his parents are Climate nihilism is the most self-destructive tendency for people who are broadly aligned with left politics. The only difference between climate change and other civilization-ending disasters is that we have some capacity to foresee it, while the 11th century inhabitants of Bukhara had no way of knowing that the Mongols were about to literally wipe their city from the map. If your criteria for having children is not having the potential for human society to devolve into war and barbarism during your children's lifetime I have some bad news for you about literally all of human history.
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Jan 22, 2020 21:30
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Family Values posted:Same as it ever was. The most you could say is that you're the first generation to go through this process while bitching about it on the internet. Literally every problem people complain about was also a thing 25 years ago when Gen X were doing it (NIMBYism, too high rents, stupid developers, evil capitalism, clueless government, etc.) and 50 years ago when the Boomers were doing it. The actual costs as a percentage of your income were far lower 25 years ago and even lower before that. Everyone struggled and bitched, but the magnitude is far, far greater now for the median person/family.
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Jan 22, 2020 21:41
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Kenning posted:Climate nihilism is the most self-destructive tendency for people who are broadly aligned with left politics. The only difference between climate change and other civilization-ending disasters is that we have some capacity to foresee it, while the 11th century inhabitants of Bukhara had no way of knowing that the Mongols were about to literally wipe their city from the map. If your criteria for having children is not having the potential for human society to devolve into war and barbarism during your children's lifetime I have some bad news for you about literally all of human history. Sorry, that's how I feel. Maybe this decade sees a lot of drastic action on climate change that changes my mind. (and I also personally warm to the idea of being a parent in general, which right now I'm at best on the fence about) who knows.Also "climate nihilism" feels really disingenuous to describe my post. I did not say well we're all hosed so I'm going to use it as an excuse not to procreate. I said there is a very real possibility we dont right our wrongs fast enough and we see literal societal collapse or at least at a minimum a huge decline in living standards in a time period where my theoretical child would be alive, and that's not something I'd want my child to have to live and maybe even die through. Also climate change is less "mongols could appear over the horizon any day in the future" and more "the mongols are coming and we know they're coming, they'll be here soon but our leaders keep insisting that no, the scouts are all just reactionaries and we will be fine."
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ProperGanderPusher posted:I keep hearing reports that millennials actually by and large get sick of city living after they turn 30ish and decide to start a family. Hard to raise a baby in a one bedroom apartment without making your neighbors want to murder you. I’m getting to that point myself on top of wanting less noise and more room for my poo poo. I realize my stupid anecdote is meaningless, but I have a friend in his mid 30s, has had kids for ~10 years, lives in SF and doesn’t mind it. Now they pull this off because they make like $150K or something (before you sharpen your guillotine, he’s a state government unionized employee so he gets to afford things similar workers under the boot of capital can not), but despite me thinking he’s insane for raising kids in the city he isn’t alone. Yeah I dunno why I’m posting this but the “kids == suburbs” thing always makes me cringe inside. It doesn’t have to be if people’s incomes hadn’t stagnated so badly. Sundae posted:If I could afford to live in a city and NOT have a landlord I'd be all over that poo poo.
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Jan 22, 2020 21:57
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Kenning posted:Climate nihilism is the most self-destructive tendency for people who are broadly aligned with left politics. The only difference between climate change and other civilization-ending disasters is that we have some capacity to foresee it, while the 11th century inhabitants of Bukhara had no way of knowing that the Mongols were about to literally wipe their city from the map. If your criteria for having children is not having the potential for human society to devolve into war and barbarism during your children's lifetime I have some bad news for you about literally all of human history. This is a bit different as the Mongols didn't have facial recognition, tracking devices, drones, and missiles. There's a very real possibility that we're going to enter a second Dark Ages where your grandkids and every generation after them is forced into an economic system where they slave for water and rations under penalty of exile to the wastes with no real hope of overthrow or revolution until the planet literally gives out and fries almost everyone, and those who remain will be forced to live on a pittance of resources. What's terrifying and unprecedented about this time is that the technology gap is going to be incredibly high.
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Jan 22, 2020 22:13
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Global warming should encourage you to have more kids. Train them in farming, foraging, blacksmithing, carpentry, combat, and elder care. Grow a big beard and move out into the woods. As soon as society collapses, you'll be all set to live out your last days as a cult leader and/or warlord.
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Jan 22, 2020 22:19
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ponzicar posted:Global warming should encourage you to have more kids. Train them in farming, foraging, blacksmithing, carpentry, combat, and elder care. Something has to balance out (and then defeat) the genius "rolling coal" people that are breeding.
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Jan 22, 2020 22:45
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Sundae posted:The actual costs as a percentage of your income were far lower 25 years ago and even lower before that. Everyone struggled and bitched, but the magnitude is far, far greater now for the median person/family. Here's the fun part: People now actually spend *less* as a percentage on stuff like clothes or food, toiletries, etc. The rent and the medical portions have grown to displace that. Liz Warren was doing Youtubes on this before she ever ran for office.
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ponzicar posted:Global warming should encourage you to have more kids. Train them in farming, foraging, blacksmithing, carpentry, combat, and elder care. Grow a big beard and move out into the woods. As soon as society collapses, you'll be all set to live out your last days as a cult leader and/or warlord. And then the real warlords come in and make you a vassal. I'm sorry, scaled-up rugged individualism is not the solution. Although I appreciate what you're saying and am doing some of those things. Jaxyon posted:Here's the fun part: People now actually spend *less* as a percentage on stuff like clothes or food, toiletries, etc. I also saw a study that showed the amount of hours of housework done every week has also held steady since the 1890s. What has happened is that all the time saved in laundry-doing and other innovations since the 1890s has gone into property maintenance, sitting in traffic, and ESPECIALLY child care. Children have tons more attention and care poured into them now then at any time in history, and the evolved meritocratic hell that has emerged where parents are encouraged to do everything possible to "give their kids an edge in life" (or they're thrown into near-inescapable penury) only encourages that.
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ponzicar posted:Global warming should encourage you to have more kids. Train them in farming, foraging, blacksmithing, carpentry, combat, and elder care. Grow a big beard and move out into the woods. As soon as society collapses, you'll be all set to live out your last days as a cult leader and/or warlord. As a left natalist I think it's more important to rear a revolutionary corps of red diaper babies but yeah, same idea.
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ProperGanderPusher posted:I keep hearing reports that millennials actually by and large get sick of city living after they turn 30ish and decide to start a family. Hard to raise a baby in a one bedroom apartment without making your neighbors want to murder you. I’m getting to that point myself on top of wanting less noise and more room for my poo poo. more like new and expectant parents are sick of not being able to afford to purchase a house in the city proper that their jobs are in our parents' generation did not move to the suburbs over affordability concerns (it was white flight)
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Jan 22, 2020 23:09
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Y'all are ignoring the teachings of Jesus who commanded all of us to procreate
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"The people were ASTONISHED at his doctrine" gets me every time.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:"The people were ASTONISHED at his doctrine" gets me every time.
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https://twitter.com/mlagos/status/1220115020270338049?s=20 I’ll believe it when it happens Gavbot.
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Jaxyon posted:Here's the fun part: People now actually spend *less* as a percentage on stuff like clothes or food, toiletries, etc. I'm going to assume that I'm  here because the alternative is 
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:And then the real warlords come in and make you a vassal. I'm sorry, scaled-up rugged individualism is not the solution. Although I appreciate what you're saying and am doing some of those things. It's not rugged individualism if you band together with a group of like minded people and create your intentional community
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HelloSailorSign posted:It's not rugged individualism if you band together with a group of like minded people and create your intentional community as a warlord, I will find the intentional community very convenient as a local concentrator of the resources I will routinely collect from them; dispersed individual households are more costly to tax
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fits my needs posted:https://twitter.com/mlagos/status/1220115020270338049?s=20 It's palpable how much he doesn't want to make an actual hard choice like that.
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Sundae posted:I'm going to assume that I'm Maybe I'm just restating your stuff in a different way, looking back I don't know if I'm making a meaningfully different point from you, sorry.
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