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H.P. Hovercraft posted:i also heard the real reason was because they were out of control for shoplifting and other security problems. that sounds like blame-the-poor classist bullshit imo. short of frequent straight up looting, shrinkage doesn't seem like something that could kill a grocery store
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JesusIsTehCool posted:Does anyone have any information on the homeless sweeps being done in the middle of the homeless count in LA county. Are they intentionally trying to drive down the homeless count numbers to make it look like homelessness is getting better or something? Doesn't that screw with state and federal funding though as I was told that is one of the reasons for the count in the first place. I saw them sweeping homeless on Tuesday in my neighborhood, and our count was last night. LA Street Watch is reporting similar sweeps all over. I weirdly got the exact same route i did last year for homeless count and despite seeing day to day homelessness getting worse in my neighborhood, we saw less tents and homeless last night than last year. We did see 3 different examples of places it looked like a homeless person had been living there recently, but we don't count that. Yeah, I saw this on Selma (Hollywood) over the last few days.
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Exponential vacancy taxes, got it.
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OMGVBFLOL posted:that sounds like blame-the-poor classist bullshit imo. short of frequent straight up looting, shrinkage doesn't seem like something that could kill a grocery store of course not, that's why i said that i didn't particularly believe it. though keep in mind grocery stores do have a razor thin profit margin so i can easily believe that they were balking at paying more for security. during their last year they had hired a rentacop who stayed parked out front all day who appeared to spend most of their time trying to shoo away panhandlers
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OMGVBFLOL posted:that sounds like blame-the-poor classist bullshit imo. short of frequent straight up looting, shrinkage doesn't seem like something that could kill a grocery store Shrinkage is figured into a stores operating costs. Obviously you don't want to go much above a certain level but it's rarely the reason for a store closing, if ever.
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Also, for many stores, the biggest element of "shrinkage" is employee theft.
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FMguru posted:Also, for many stores, the biggest element of "shrinkage" is employee theft. yuup a friend of mine used to stock at downtown grocery in new orleans (rouses), he said that they operated with a bounty system for catching shoplifting as well as using loss prevention plainclothes people, and that they mostly caught employees stealing booze and cough syrup
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FMguru posted:Also, for many stores, the biggest element of "shrinkage" is employee theft. They make up for it by stealing employee wages.   vs:  The shrinkage data comes from NRF so I'd be skeptical of its scale anyway, but it's not that far off from what employers steal from employees. Sundae fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Jan 23, 2020 |
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Sydin posted:They dont care about the funding because they dont actually care about helping the homeless. It's much more politically advantageous in the short term to just lower the count so politicians can come out and claim that under their watch the homeless population decreased according to an official count. dont forget that safeway is also owned by a private equity firm
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The VTA is such hot garbage that I totally buy the lack of parking killing that Safeway.
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i dont think i could have thought of a better way for breed to kill whatever remaining credibility she had than by endorsing bloomberg
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Safeway's employees are union.
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silence_kit posted:I think that if you were to look at the housing price spikes in many booming metropolitan areas in the US, and come away from them concluding that they are just more examples of failures of unregulated free markets, you are not understanding the problem. You are either greatly ignorant, or you are ideologically committed to blaming capitalism for all problems in society, kind of like how Puritan women (or Bobby Boucher's mother in the movie, The WaterBoy) blamed the Devil on everything. Except capitalism is real and the devil isn't.
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On the other hand, when people are trying to talk about problems and solutions, the neverending litany of  doesn't feel super helpful. OK yes obviously if a critical mass of anti-capitalists can force a fundamental change, maybe we can be rid of capitalism, but not all of us are on board with that and in the meantime it'd be cool if instead of sweepingly dismissing discussions as "well whatever it's all because capitalism" we could actually talk about changes to laws, regulations, etc. that are politically possible right now.
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the neverending litany of is because of the neverending injustices of capitalism that isn't an excuse for idle cynicism and political inaction, sure, but it's still worth pointing out
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Leperflesh posted:On the other hand, when people are trying to talk about problems and solutions, the neverending litany of We killed the devil and wrested political control from the church, surely we can handle Mayor Breed's billionaires. Have a little faith in yourself!
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https://twitter.com/sfchronicle/status/1220449533794181126 Gonna be a lot of drunk fish
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Lowering the rent decreases the value of the asset in the eyes of the bank. Most commercial landlords are just rolling over their loan every 10 years or so (there's a term for it but I've forgotten). However the space sitting vacant does not lower the value of the asset in the eyes of the bank. So when it's time to roll over that loan it's better to have 50% vacancy then to have 20% vacancy and have reduced rent by 15% overall. So it just absolutely fucks the elasticity of the market. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/z3bnme/tons-of-new-apartments-are-being-built-that-almost-no-one-can-afford quote:fear not — developers are constructing new apartments at a rapid clip this year. quote:Developers often argue that building a new apartment is prohibitively expensive
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:yuup Steal your way to a living wage.
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Leperflesh posted:On the other hand, when people are trying to talk about problems and solutions, the neverending litany of But if we keep saying it, people who haven't been exposed to it will be, thus increasing the number of anti-capitalists.
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I know back in the 80s the stats on shrink were 66% employee, 33% customer. I know this because my mom taught ROP and had a film called "Sticky Fingers" that the class would watch every year. The people in it were dressed very 70s, so that data might have been even older than that. I can also see those percentages flipping as employers make it even more obvious they don't give a poo poo about their employees, who then just simply let people shoplift with impunity. Cup Runneth Over posted:But if we keep saying it, people who haven't been exposed to it will be, thus increasing the number of anti-capitalists. Right, and then the guys who own everything say the opposite 100x times.
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Cup Runneth Over posted:But if we keep saying it, people who haven't been exposed to it will be, thus increasing the number of anti-capitalists. Especially in e.g. the something awful D&D subforum where the number of goons who have never been exposed to the concept that capitalism causes a lot of problems is zero. Maybe at this point it's just reflexive, like some kind of pointing-out-everything-bad-is-because-of-capitalism verbal/rhetorical tic. Probably still a valuable thing to point out in other venues.
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It's hard to think of what would make me actually vote for Trump (as opposed to staying home), but a Bloomberg/Breed ticket would do it. OMGVBFLOL posted:that sounds like blame-the-poor classist bullshit imo. short of frequent straight up looting, shrinkage doesn't seem like something that could kill a grocery store Safeway at least actually provides the public with something. Some rear end in a top hat making it too expensive for the city to buy parking spots does not. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Jan 24, 2020 |
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:they claimed that the safeway there had to close because the people who own the parking structure there wanted to increase what they were charging them for it Here in SF I see people shoving stuff in their jackets and walking out of the Taraval Safeway every time I walk in and none of the bare bones staff give a flying gently caress. I’m honestly surprised the bottom hasn’t fallen out harder in regards to lovely retail jobs.
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Leperflesh posted:Especially in e.g. the something awful D&D subforum where the number of goons who have never been exposed to the concept that capitalism causes a lot of problems is zero. You'd think so and then you get a guy coming into the Latin American thread who is convinced that poor people are spending their benefits money on ATVs and government is choking private initiative and yadda yadda yadda Goons are not a hivemind and are just as capable of being stupid and ignorant as anyone else (if not moreso!)
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The Glumslinger posted:https://twitter.com/sfchronicle/status/1220449533794181126 Wanna be a fish in that river.
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Sydin posted:They dont care about the funding because they dont actually care about helping the homeless. It's much more politically advantageous in the short term to just lower the count so politicians can come out and claim that under their watch the homeless population decreased according to an official count. Its 100% this.
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The government doctoring official statistics to be able to claim that things are getting better while everyone with eyes sees that that's bullshit is collapsing USSR as hell
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Cup Runneth Over posted:You'd think so and then you get a guy coming into the Latin American thread who is convinced that poor people are spending their benefits money on ATVs and government is choking private initiative and yadda yadda yadda yeah bootstrapts libertarians are immune to the "hey capitalism causes bad" heads-up.
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FRINGE posted:Developers often argue that building a new apartment is prohibitively expensive
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If people are involved, they're going to gently caress it all up. BTW I have a startup to design and build our new AI overlords, anyone want to get in on the second round of funding?
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ProperGanderPusher posted:Here in SF I see people shoving stuff in their jackets and walking out of the Taraval Safeway every time I walk in and none of the bare bones staff give a flying gently caress. My gf works at safeway, and she says that security are the only ones allowed to do anything with shoplifters. Anyone else is risking their job over a can of soup if they try to stop product from walking out the door. Everyone knows that there's massive amount of theft at downtown locations. It's part of the reason those stores have higher prices.
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jetz0r posted:It's part of the reason those stores have higher prices. Which sucks because this hurts the poor/ middle class hardest. Almost feel like stores should be mandated to have regional pricing so if that can of soup is 1.29 at one store it should be the same for all of them. I dunno.
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MarcusSA posted:Which sucks because this hurts the poor/ middle class hardest. ehhh... that could also hit the poor and middle class. you ever seen the prices at the marina safeway?
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i heard that safeway got in the news recently, but not for its prices...
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OMGVBFLOL posted:ehhh... that could also hit the poor and middle class. you ever seen the prices at the marina safeway? Yeah true it could I’m not sure what the right alternative is tbh.
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MarcusSA posted:Yeah true it could I’m not sure what the right alternative is tbh. The alternative starts with stopping this administration from destroying SNAP. People don’t steal food if they don’t have to. If that fails, maybe California can use its status as Big Fuckin’ Economy to make its own statewide food security program, because both agriculture and retail love it and California has plenty of both. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 09:58 on Jan 26, 2020 |
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