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I'd have liked last jedi if it actually stuck with any of the interesting directions it threatened to go in the first half but instead we got a tonally all over the fuckin place mishmash of some jedi training against a really horrible and nonsensical b plot that felt like Rian was too concerned with smashing JJ's toys to bits and not too worried about what he'd create in their place
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Jan 22, 2020 01:40
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Butterfly Valley posted:I'd have liked last jedi if it actually stuck with any of the interesting directions it threatened to go in the first half but instead we got a tonally all over the fuckin place mishmash of some jedi training against a really horrible and nonsensical b plot Ive probably posted about this before, but TLJ is set up to suggest that Rey is supposed to turn to the dark side at the climax of the movie which for whatever reason, she does not. TROS is similarly obsessed with the idea of an Evil Rey who never actually shows up. It seems like the people making these movies really wanted Rey to be evil
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Jan 22, 2020 01:44
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Jan 22, 2020 01:50
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ChazTurbo posted:B-b-b-but muh subversion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S4Ss5bK-ws
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Jan 22, 2020 02:34
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skasion posted:8 is, just like 7 and 9, a rehash of the OT. Despite having had their big machine planet base in the last movie Imperial forces have the rebels on the run; they audaciously escape their base only just in time before it is smashed by the overpowering force of the enemy. The dark side warrior who leads the forces of evil now has a personal connection with the hero and relentlessly hunts them down to turn them to the dark side. The rebels are having difficulty getting away because their ship won’t go fast enough. The hero, a novice with a lightsaber, seeks out a remote, wet world where a crotchety old Jedi master is in hiding. The hero learns how to lift rocks with their mind and has visions of the dark side in a sinister cave there, before departing with their training incomplete to imprudently confront the dark warrior, who reveals the shocking secret of their parentage. The hero’s friends seek refuge from the forces of evil in a burgeoning city, but the swarthy scoundrel they encounter there sells them out to the bad guys out of profit motive. In the end the military victory of the bad guys is symbolically outweighed by the hero being reunited with their friends who help restore their bright-eyed hope for the future. Ah well aCtuuAALLLYY... ...Nah, that's actually about right.
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Jan 22, 2020 03:26
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ChazTurbo posted:B-b-b-but muh subversion The most "subversive" think Rian Johnson has ever done was have such a fat loving face and NOT being over 250lbs. It's like someone traded his head with a big fat guy.
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Jan 22, 2020 04:20
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Blistex posted:The most "subversive" think Rian Johnson has ever done was have such a fat loving face and NOT being over 250lbs. It's like someone traded his head with a big fat guy. turn on ur monitor
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Jan 22, 2020 04:23
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Speaking of Rian, did anyone go to Knives Out? I saw it recently and it was pretty well done, but interestingly seemed to have the same problem as TLJ. A lot of themes and ideas crammed into a movie that doesn't need them all.
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Jan 22, 2020 04:25
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skasion posted:Ive probably posted about this before, but TLJ is set up to suggest that Rey is supposed to turn to the dark side at the climax of the movie which for whatever reason, she does not. TROS is similarly obsessed with the idea of an Evil Rey who never actually shows up. It seems like the people making these movies really wanted Rey to be evil I imagine that was the ark they were playing to take, but there's a lot of executives involved and having your main female protagonist turn evil is a risky move, especially in light of what happened with a song of ice and fire.
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Jan 22, 2020 04:31
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skasion posted:Ive probably posted about this before, but TLJ is set up to suggest that Rey is supposed to turn to the dark side at the climax of the movie which for whatever reason, she does not. TROS is similarly obsessed with the idea of an Evil Rey who never actually shows up. It seems like the people making these movies really wanted Rey to be evil https://twitter.com/jennyenicholson/status/1219443507917492224?s=21 You have to wonder if the sith holocron was going to be part of a plot line where Rey almost turns evil but the plot thread was discarded in editing
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Jan 22, 2020 04:53
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The theory I've seen was for just trying to lead towards tossing the Sith and Jedi divide in the bin altogether and fully embracing the Force as a whole as "Grey Jedi". Just because you gotta Force Lightning a Stormtrooper to put them down doesn't mean you're gonna murder babies for fun too.
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Jan 22, 2020 04:57
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TK-42-1 posted:turn on ur monitor I have been thoroughly bested!
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Neddy Seagoon posted:The theory I've seen was for just trying to lead towards tossing the Sith and Jedi divide in the bin altogether and fully embracing the Force as a whole as "Grey Jedi". Just because you gotta Force Lightning a Stormtrooper to put them down doesn't mean you're gonna murder babies for fun too. And also anyone could be a force user too but I guess JJ didn't like that idea even though if would have given every boy and girl an excuse to dress up as a jedi for Halloween
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Jan 23, 2020 04:29
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Outpost22 posted:And also anyone could be a force user too but I guess JJ didn't like that idea even though if would have given every boy and girl an excuse to dress up as a jedi for Halloween Yes, I'm sure the thing holding children back from dressing as a Jedi on Halloween was an adherence to SW canon that only a few can be jedi.
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Jan 23, 2020 04:41
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skasion posted:8 is, just like 7 and 9, a rehash of the OT. Despite having had their big machine planet base in the last movie Imperial forces have the rebels on the run; they audaciously escape their base only just in time before it is smashed by the overpowering force of the enemy. The dark side warrior who leads the forces of evil now has a personal connection with the hero and relentlessly hunts them down to turn them to the dark side. The rebels are having difficulty getting away because their ship won’t go fast enough. The hero, a novice with a lightsaber, seeks out a remote, wet world where a crotchety old Jedi master is in hiding. The hero learns how to lift rocks with their mind and has visions of the dark side in a sinister cave there, before departing with their training incomplete to imprudently confront the dark warrior, who reveals the shocking secret of their parentage. The hero’s friends seek refuge from the forces of evil in a burgeoning city, but the swarthy scoundrel they encounter there sells them out to the bad guys out of profit motive. In the end the military victory of the bad guys is symbolically outweighed by the hero being reunited with their friends who help restore their bright-eyed hope for the future. This. Ep8 really didn't subvert expectations. It came close to doing it a few times but ultimately played it safe. It was the blue balls of subverting expectations. The worst was when they teased that Rey was going to join with Kylo after the throne room scene. I still think she should have turned to the dark side. She would have made an awesome villain because she is so powerful. That being said, they could have done better with ep9 even given the poo poo sandwich they had to work with. The screenplay for "Episode IX - Duel of the Fates" that was finished shortly before Carrie Fisher died is much better than what we got. https://youtu.be/5ShS32kJclU - He starts talking about it 20 mins in. Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Jan 23, 2020 |
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Jan 23, 2020 20:14
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Rey shoulda joined Kylo and then it should have been up to Finn to beat the poo poo out of both of them
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Jan 23, 2020 20:18
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Fartbox posted:Rey shoulda joined Kylo and then it should have been up to Finn to beat the poo poo out of both of them I hope in the future we get a fan edit that pulls something like this off.
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Jan 23, 2020 21:36
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Why did Kyle become good anyway? Like his mom did telepathy on him and then ???
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Jan 23, 2020 21:49
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appropriatemetaphor posted:Why did Kyle become good anyway? Like his mom did telepathy on him and then ??? He had a near death experience and remembered that he had parents who loved him
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appropriatemetaphor posted:Why did Kyle become good anyway? Like his mom did telepathy on him and then ??? It was so it was 'poetry' with ep3
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appropriatemetaphor posted:Why did Kyle become good anyway? Like his mom did telepathy on him and then ??? They set up a weird thing in TFA they do the whole being seduced and tempted thing, but then attribute that to the light instead of the dark side. So he's always being pulled that way and just needed an opening to give in. I think Rey should have slipped into the dark side during that fight. Not like full-sith or anything, but maybe just the building frustration of everything and having the wayfinder destroyed by Kyle just gets to her and she taps into the dark side to, I dunno, rip the knowledge right from his brain, or something. That seems like something the dark side would do, would probably be painful enough to end the fight, hosed up enough for her to freak out at what she just did and off on her own without anyone else, and be traumatic enough for Kyle to both have done to him and see what it did to her that you could plausibly build his turn from that moment.
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Jan 23, 2020 21:59
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appropriatemetaphor posted:Why did Kyle become good anyway? Like his mom did telepathy on him and then ??? Rey chopped off the guys arms and legs and threw him in the ocean. Leia grew the limbs back, but force ghost'd as Han Solo. Its poetry.
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Jan 23, 2020 22:08
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skasion posted:the most “original” content in the movie, the Leia/Holdo/Poe plot, was the most half-assed and negatively received part of it Nah, that would be the whole casino planet deal. Everything else you said was spot on though.
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Jan 24, 2020 01:55
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Plots where the whole point of contention is people not saying a dozen words to each other annoy the piss out of me. Like the entire holdo/poe thing would have been nothing if she’d just taken him aside and told him the plan it would have helped literally everyone.
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TK-42-1 posted:Plots where the whole point of contention is people not saying a dozen words to each other annoy the piss out of me. Like the entire holdo/poe thing would have been nothing if she’d just taken him aside and told him the plan it would have helped literally everyone. They really needed a line of dialog or flesh out one of scenes to establish exactly why Holdo was holding (lol) out on giving that information. Because by the time you realise why, it doesn't feel like it excuses her for doing it in the first place, other than pulling her weight around. Something like they know or suspect that there's a mole in the resistance - which is why they keep getting tracked. That would go a long way to making her actions feel necessary.
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When discussing how dumb TLJ is something that literally flies under the radar is how nonsensical the plot point of DJ selling the rebels out by telling the first order to... maybe look for their transport ships. And this apparently being news to the first order. And we're supposed to suspend our disbelief for long enough to imagine that were it not for the betrayal the first order would cluelessly trundle past a planet without possibly scouting it. And then after the ridiculous Finn suicide mission on the big gun/horribly shoehorned in Rose kissing him, they're stranded literally a kilometre out from their base in front of tens of walkers and spaceships and not one of them thinks to shoot the two heroes as they run all the way back? I could go on and on
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Butterfly Valley posted:When discussing how dumb TLJ is something that literally flies under the radar is how nonsensical the plot point of DJ selling the rebels out by telling the first order to... maybe look for their transport ships. And this apparently being news to the first order. And we're supposed to suspend our disbelief for long enough to imagine that were it not for the betrayal the first order would cluelessly trundle past a planet without possibly scouting it. And then after the ridiculous Finn suicide mission on the big gun/horribly shoehorned in Rose kissing him, they're stranded literally a kilometre out from their base in front of tens of walkers and spaceships and not one of them thinks to shoot the two heroes as they run all the way back? I could go on and on These don't come up frequently, but trust me friend. We've covered every one of these in detail. Just run a cloaking scan! Can't believe we didn't think of that earlier lmao.
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Jan 24, 2020 06:07
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Chomp8645 posted:These don't come up frequently, but trust me friend. We've covered every one of these in detail. You'd think they would have the manpower, power requirements, and surely the floor space to have someone doing this. . . like constantly?
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Jan 24, 2020 06:31
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People out here acting like “canon” means sacrosanct holy rules set by God on what is real, gently caress that make it whatever you want real be real man don’t let a hegemon corporation boss you around man You want those Bantam jumpsuits bam canon You want the guys in the bar to all have sex adventures, CANON
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Jan 24, 2020 09:24
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Wish we could add you’re posts to a cannon
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Dely Apple posted:People out here acting like “canon” means sacrosanct holy rules set by God on what is real, gently caress that make it whatever you want real be real man don’t let a hegemon corporation boss you around man I mean yeah it's dumb when people get up in arms about canonical list of force powers and goony poo poo like that... But also internal logical consistency is a thing. And if you ignore it your film turns into slamming action figures together THE MOVIE
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Jan 24, 2020 15:47
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I finally saw this movie I don't understand why Palpatine is hanging out in a big Sith Football Stadium. Who are all of those cultists? Did they buy tickets to a space bruce springsteen concert and were like "oh you want me to wear these robes, okay cool I guess" and just thought that Palpatine is the pre-show?
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Jan 28, 2020 12:04
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They are just fans of the oldies.
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Jan 28, 2020 15:00
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QuarkJets posted:I finally saw this movie No why.
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Jan 28, 2020 16:47
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QuarkJets posted:I finally saw this movie I thought they were supposed to be ghosts of all the past sith but the gently caress knows?
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Jan 28, 2020 16:53
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The Ghosts of Sithmas(ters) Past.
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Chomp8645 posted:The Ghosts of Sithmas(ters) Past. Soooo dumb. Trevorrow script really was better.
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QuarkJets posted:I finally saw this movie They're the Sith Eternal cult and they made all the Sith Star Destroyers and hosed like rabbits so there were enough Sith Troopers in the Sith Eternal Army to crew them. Sorry you're so lame you had to get all your information from the movie rather than consuming Star Wars on all available media. Moola posted:I thought they were supposed to be ghosts of all the past sith but the gently caress knows? loving casual.
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