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Zore posted:Axe at least gets 3 different movesets. I can barely even tell stuff like that, I'm not even 100% sure what you mean!
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Taear posted:I can barely even tell stuff like that, I'm not even 100% sure what you mean! Like all the Pegasus knights have exactly the same moveset and they were the only lance users before the DLC (which added Oboro and Azura as foot lance units with their own movesets) Axes had Lissa, Camila and Frederick who all played super differently. Bows meanwhile have 4 people who are completely identical outside of small differences in stats
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Is there a translation available somewhere Yeah dropping a 30 second video with no context in a foreign language is loving useless and I wish people wouldn't bother doing it.
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FoolyCharged posted:*battle of the eagle and lion* In one of the early VW maps (I think 14, the one that’s just chapter 12 again), you can guide an NPC to a capture point, and if you do Claude will set half the map on fire. It’s also one of two schemes you actually see happen.
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The problem is, they do that in SS and AM as well. The problem with Claude isn't that he isn't good (I love him) but that he didn't get a story written for him, so his character on his own route is extremely 'tell don't show'. It's a huge disservice, he's great in all his supports and on other routes, and a story actually written for his character would have been so fun.
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I'm still slowly working through Silver Snow, more random thoughts: * I don't get why Alois exists as a recruitable unit. Oh great, another big buff axe/fist heavy armor guy who's bad at magic, just like Caspar, Dedue, Raphael, and Gilbert. I like him okay as a character, but I don't get why he's playable. * I picked Flayn as my dancer for this game and regret it. Her strength is so poor she's not showing any signs of becoming a decent second-line combat unit like Ingrid and Ferdinand were in my previous games, and with how young she looks (game data, she does not look 17 like you say she does), the dancer animations make me feel a tad uncomfortable. * I think I've finally got a bad Bernie. Persecution Complex helps, but her strength just isn't there. * I'm really liking Petra, a lot more than I thought I would. She's my assassin for this game, and like Byleth and Leonie before her she has not disappointed in that regard. * This is my first time poaching Hanneman, and he hasn't impressed me in combat. He feels straight up inferior next to my other caster options. * I'm pairing Byleth with Rhea to see how deep the rabbit hole goes while I'm on Silver Snow, and boy howdy is this creepy and uncomfortable. I knew this would be weird going in, and the game has not disappointed.
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capitaldelendaest posted:The problem is, they do that in SS and AM as well. The problem with Claude isn't that he isn't good (I love him) but that he didn't get a story written for him, so his character on his own route is extremely 'tell don't show'. It's a huge disservice, he's great in all his supports and on other routes, and a story actually written for his character would have been so fun. so, if you're methodically sweeping your way across the map, and you send a flier to kill the dude who's been harassing your archers from long range... Claude (or Seteth)'s scheme is to set their own army on fire. Cythereal posted:I'm still slowly working through Silver Snow, more random thoughts: Hanneman sucks as a combat unit, despite getting Meteor at A-rank. Despite this, I have recruited him every single run, because his supports are great and he's one of the 4 options Lysithea has to not die. Rhea/Byleth is the best  pairinge: thank you, for my life
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I'm partway through the post-timeskip Golden Deer campaign, and my thoughts on the recruitable non-students are: Seteth - awesome dad. Good as a Wyvern Lord and probably good as other stuff. I don't know that I need another flier between Claude, Hilda, and Petra, but he's real good at it. Flayn - seems kinda garbage. All the other healers seems better at the healer and the mage jobs, except I guess Flayn has rescue, and she doesn't have enough strength to pick up any decent physical combat off-tasks. She has a high mag-growth but still feels weaker than Marianne, Linhardt, and Mercedes. Dunno why. Hanneman - seems like a mediocre mage that exists solely if you haven't bothered to do any recruiting and your default house's mage got completely mag-screwed. Manuela - like Hanneman, but for healers. I wanted to like her because it's nice to have a character who isn't 12, but her character archetype is also super offputting. (Her only character traits are being horny and drunk?) Gilbert - can't get on GD. Alois - another punchman! I agree with you, Cythereal, in that I don't really know why he exists. But his voice acting is fun and he's good at the punch man job and lucked out to have better stats than my Caspar, so I guess he's the backup Raphael for me. Catherine - amazing. She's super awesome and powerful at the moment you recruit her and only gets better. I should have done much better work training her for a master class because she's kinda stuck in swordmaster for me, but that's okay because she still kills everything. I expected her to be Hanneman/Manuela but for swords, but she's actually good. Shamir - Again, pretty phenomenal. I expected her to be Hanneman/Manuela but for bows, but she's competitive with Leonie (more luck, less speed, less def, overall lower growths) if you get lucky on a few rolls and the gap isn't that big. Also nearly identical growths to Ignatz. Which just shows why Leonie is better than Ignatz. Cyril - garbage. Sad character with sad supports and sad growths and I'm just mad because he always clogs up my support menu with grey letters. As for the other folks you mentioned: - I quite like Petra. She's a powerhouse as a flyer, and after your comments I wish I'd tried her as an assassin. - My Bernie is strength-screwed so there's zero reason for me to use her over Leonie, Ignatz, or Shamir. Plus her res is so low she's constantly in danger of getting one-shot. Plus I didn't build her riding soon enough so she can't even keep up or get +2 range compared to those three archers.
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Manuela has an archetype that can be sexist but I don't feel that, if anything I feel some camaraderie with her because I'm also in my thirties and a disaster of a woman, so I look forward to her getting Trickster to maybe be usable.
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Hanneman is actually decent - his spell list is better than you'd expect.Zore posted:Like all the Pegasus knights have exactly the same moveset and they were the only lance users before the DLC (which added Oboro and Azura as foot lance units with their own movesets) I think our definitions of super differently are quite different but I only thought they felt different because horse/wyvern/foot
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Eimi posted:Manuela has an archetype that can be sexist but I don't feel that, if anything I feel some camaraderie with her because I'm also in my thirties and a disaster of a woman, so I look forward to her getting Trickster to maybe be usable. in this house, we stan the terrible drunken trashmom. (my fav support is her with Dorothea, all ashamed because she didn't want one of her best opera students to see her drunk... only for Dorothea to be like "uh, yeah, you weren't subtle at the opera either? we all still loved you though.")
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Honestly, in the final analysis, I don't think I like the poaching mechanic. It's good to have backup options in case characters in your house get screwed by the RNG, and it ensures you can keep some of your favorite characters regardless of story, but it also means that many characters end up necessarily redundant. The distinctions between the characters in a given role (Caspar/Dedue/Raphael/Gilbert/Alois, for example, or Linhardt/Mercedes/Marianne/Flayn) end up coming down to subtle distinctions of growths, personal traits, and other small factors - the game wants you to have that role available regardless of your house. Real outliers, characters who feel really distinctive in terms of what they can do and how they play, in my opinion end up pretty rare. The three lords, of course, but also Lysithea, maybe Ingrid and Dorothea as well. It also means some characters can wind up kind of screwed next to others for their role, like Linhardt who simply can't be a Gremory and Hilda who can't be a Warmaster. I also think poaching and the game's sheer depth of customization does a bit of a number on the game's difficulty. The developers couldn't prepare well-scripted battles designed to push you to your limits in intelligently crafted ways because it's so much harder in this game, I think more than any previous Fire Emblem, to predict what tools the player might have available. And I'm not even talking about things like Lysithea with Thrysus, but cases like Oil and Water which in my experience comes down to "You must have a strong flier or Flayn, or fail." And while I'm critiquing the game, I'm also unhappy with the game's treatment of LGBT characters. It's a big step forward for Fire Emblem, yes, and was a significant factor in me buying the game, but it's giving me major late-stage Bioware vibes where yes, there are queer romance options for the main character... and they consist primarily of some of the most unlikable characters in the game (in my opinion). I like FETH both as a strategy game and as an RPG, but I think there's plenty of room for improvement in the next one.
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Blaziken386 posted:honestly when I saw her design I was immediately expecting the worst, but then she opened her mouth and I was like "oh, wait, no, she's great actually" I love her one with Alois where he's like "Guess what my daughter just learned to do!" and she replies "I don't know what parents teach their children, or why they have them at all to be honest." Same Manuela. Same.
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Re Hanneman: I'll give him another glance, I suppose. I didn't give his spell list too much thought. I think my real problem is that while he's competitive in mag, he doesn't have much speed compared to the other casters I've got access to (Mercedes and Lysithea, with Dorothea as an off-caster since she's my dancer). If you can't double enemies on higher difficulties I can see the difference really narrowing. It's also hard for me to have a damage caster without access to Gremory, who I don't unlock early enough to train up with riding. Lorenz is sneaking by because he went dark mage -> dark bishop, but I'm not sure what to do with Hanneman for months as I wait for him to get some riding skill. Re Manuela: maybe it's just that I only have her C supports and a few B supports. Most characters really get better with B's and A's, and I'll need to see those. But so far she's just a little one-dimensional. Even if terrible drunken trashmom can be funny, I want a little bit more than just the stereotype.
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I justify Alois’s inclusion because of his great supports with Bernie. A walking Dad Joke is exactly what she needed. 
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All of Alois’s supports are fantastic, but I think my favorite is the ghost stories with Mercedes
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Cythereal posted:And while I'm critiquing the game, I'm also unhappy with the game's treatment of LGBT characters. It's a big step forward for Fire Emblem, yes, and was a significant factor in me buying the game, but it's giving me major late-stage Bioware vibes where yes, there are queer romance options for the main character... and they consist primarily of some of the most unlikable characters in the game (in my opinion). I'm just gonna say this is your personal bias since looking at the fandom at large, Edelgard and Dorothea are fan favorites, Mercie is also very well liked. Rhea has her own niche of the fandom and while people hopefully aren't getting too romantic over Sothis who doesn't love our gremlin goddess? This also entirely ignores the vast suite of lgbt pairings for the cast that don't involve Byleth and are AS important to me as avatar supports. Now maybe sure the avatar could use more (especially on the boys side), but I really appreciate a FE where there's more than just two gay people.
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Definitely don't hire any writer that thinks dorathea was the main flaw
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Maybe next time they could even hire a localization team that doesn't try to really sloppily tone down/outright remove in some cases the explicitly romantic aspects of the LGBT relationships!
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Before 3H the gayest FE games were the Tellius duology and while I love them, I’ll be the first to say that outside of Heather and Kyza, 99% of the gay is just implied. A game where most of the cast is explicitly bi even if they can’t all be bi with Byleth is much better. And tbh I wouldn’t date Byleth either so hashtag relatable.
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Jan 24, 2020 19:15
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Hey now drunk mom can cook. I'm pretty sure my cooking with her during my Golden Deer run was the only reason why I was able to recruit her. Poor Manuela. She doesn't need a man in her life to be happy. In my Golden Deer run I got her sword skill way up early so she didn't have to lean on her then thin magic list. When sword was exhausted I started raising her reason skill. Then her natural magic growths kicked in  I wiped a lot of auxiliary maps with just Lysithea, Dorothea, and Manuela.
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Still want to see a game where a gay character is gay, and not whatever based on the whims of the player.
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Cythereal posted:Honestly, in the final analysis, I don't think I like the poaching mechanic. It's good to have backup options in case characters in your house get screwed by the RNG, and it ensures you can keep some of your favorite characters regardless of story, but it also means that many characters end up necessarily redundant. The distinctions between the characters in a given role (Caspar/Dedue/Raphael/Gilbert/Alois, for example, or Linhardt/Mercedes/Marianne/Flayn) end up coming down to subtle distinctions of growths, personal traits, and other small factors - the game wants you to have that role available regardless of your house. You're looking at it wrongly. The interesting part is them interacting and the poaching means more interactions. The other side of it is secondary.
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The easy way to have characters not obsessed with an avatar is to not have an avatar. I feel that every FE game with an avatar is worse off because of it, barring maybe Awakening. And even then the blushy romantic CGs were a bit much.
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Sydin posted:Maybe next time they could even hire a localization team that doesn't try to really sloppily tone down/outright remove in some cases the explicitly romantic aspects of the LGBT relationships!  The localization team improved, though they were also carried by the astounding voice actors. And then they went and messed with poo poo post release like Bernie's b support which was a real  moment. Occasionally their poo poo works, like how in El's S support she's still very stilted and awkward, but overall keep all that poo poo in please. Hellioning posted:The easy way to have characters not obsessed with an avatar is to not have an avatar. I can understand this perspective but 'dating sim' is a big part of the new formula now so I don't see it going away. And as anime trash I am here for the shipping and dating sim. Orcs and Ostriches posted:Still want to see a game where a gay character is gay, and not whatever based on the whims of the player. This would be nice, after all some characters are still straight no matter how much we wished otherwise (Claude, Ingrid)
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hopeandjoy posted:Before 3H the gayest FE games were the Tellius duology and while I love them, I’ll be the first to say that outside of Heather and Kyza, 99% of the gay is just implied. With the caveat that more explicit LGBT representation in media is a good thing; I did not need PoR or RD to tell me Soren was horny as gently caress for Ike, because it was one of the most obvious and consistent character traits present across both games.
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Hellioning posted:The easy way to have characters not obsessed with an avatar is to not have an avatar. Fire Emblem still had harems even when they didn't have avatars, the list actually was more hetero back then I guess if you want that (Roy and his 7 brides)
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Awakenings avatar was good for actualy being a character. Technically so was Fates, just a bad one. Three houses just needed to give Byleth lines again.
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Tae posted:Fire Emblem still had harems even when they didn't have avatars, the list actually was more hetero back then I guess if you want that A good point. I guess for some people they get upset when it's the player character, but Fire Emblem has never had issues stumbling over how amazing and special and awesome and how everyone loves main lord dejure.
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:Still want to see a game where a gay character is gay, and not whatever based on the whims of the player. We had Leon in Echoes, the game is extremely clear about his sexuality and you have no input whatsoever in it.
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Ike is also gay regardless of your whims. But again, that’s implied. (Not that Tellius could scream any louder about Ike and Soren or Tibarn and Reyson or Elincia and Lucia or Sephrian and Zelgius etc etc if it tried.)
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I don't know what games you played, but Ike has no romantic interest in Soren whatsoever. You're seeing something that isn't there. Ike has one romantic interest, and that's Ranulf.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:I don't know what games you played, but Ike has no romantic interest in Soren whatsoever. You're seeing something that isn't there. BRB leaving my home forever with my best friend after he cried in my arms about our shared past. That’s valid.
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Tae posted:Fire Emblem still had harems even when they didn't have avatars, the list actually was more hetero back then I guess if you want that Roy at least didn't get a blushy first-person confessional CG with his bride of choice.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Is there a translation available somewhere https://twitter.com/FireEmblemJP/status/1220609931767898112?s=09 quote:Ashen Wolves And the translation: quote:"...Oh right! Silly me, I forgot to announce my victory! It can't be helped. Could you listen to me in their place, please? Ohohohohoho! I, Constance von Nuvelle, produced the best results in battle! ...Phew, I'm satisfied. Now then, I must go speak to Master Alford." she does have supports with ferdinand, by the by
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Seteh sucks poo poo and can keep licking boots in hell, I'm playing CF again just to kill him
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Cythereal posted:And while I'm critiquing the game, I'm also unhappy with the game's treatment of LGBT characters. It's a big step forward for Fire Emblem, yes, and was a significant factor in me buying the game, but it's giving me major late-stage Bioware vibes where yes, there are queer romance options for the main character... and they consist primarily of some of the most unlikable characters in the game (in my opinion). as for poaching, on the one hand i agree ith as rough mechanical implications, on the other i love lysithea and edelgard's interactions. ultimately id say that poaching should have been limited to like two students before the game put a hard cap on it
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Endorph posted:the difference is that these developers have yet to say 'playersexual' or have a character's sexuality change based on the player's gender, so imo its way better. Yeah all the same-sex characters Byleth can romance, excluding Sothis and Rhea, have at least one other romantic paired ending with someone of the same gender. They aren't just going gay for the avatar. E: wait I guess Jeritza is playersexual if only by virtue of his only other support being with his sister. And the fact that his support for MByleth is the horniest drat thing in the entire game. Eimi fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Jan 24, 2020 |
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Eimi posted:E: wait I guess Jeritza is playersexual if only by virtue of his only other support being with his sister. And the fact that his support for MByleth is the horniest drat thing in the entire game.
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