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Epicurius posted:I'm pretty sure they also said that the populace of Romulus was also about 900 million, so I'm assuming this is Star Trek's traditional problem with scale. As Earth grows more developed our population growth is projected to slow, and global population might peak this century. It's actually not unreasonable to me that Earth could be one of the most heavily populated planets around in the Trekverse since we went really quickly from industrial revolution and all the subsequent growth into warp travel. Most species are said to have been technologically adept for thousands of years so likely hit population peaks millennia ago.
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Jan 25, 2020 00:14
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As has been mentioned multiple times so far, the comic prequel to Picard has actually been pretty good, and it not only introduces Jean-Luc's Romulan carers, but it also gives backstory on one of the regulars for the rest of the season, the character played by Michelle Hurd. She was Picard's Number One on the flagship of the rescue fleet, a Starfleet Intelligence officer who specialised on the Romulan Empire and Tal'Shiar.
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Jan 25, 2020 00:17
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I hope they find a way to include Cardassians in some way in season 2. There is no reason not to, a very iconic TNG episode includes them after all. Would be nice to see what became of Cardassia. I can`t imagine the federation wanted to spend too much resoursces building them back up after the Domination war what with the Romulan crisis and the Mars incident happening soon after.
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Jan 25, 2020 00:38
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Baudolino posted:I hope they find a way to include Cardassians in some way in season 2. There is no reason not to, a very iconic TNG episode includes them after all. 12 years between Cardassia falling and Romulus going boom, probably enough to prop them back up before poo poo hit the fan.
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TheCenturion posted:I thought that the idea was that the 'consciousness matrix', for lack of a better term, was fractal; kind of like all you need is one full strand of DNA, in theory, to grow a new person. So you could take one of Data's neurons, use that to grow a new 'positronic brain' that would be stable and as capable of Data's, but would be tabula rasa, not a 'restore data.dat' sort of thing. Which could mean it's possible to salvage B4 and some of Data. If Data's memories were partially lost because B4's positron net wasn't complex enough, if they can get one of these mcguffin neurons they could reconstitute Data. Maybe not with full memories if they were truly lost, but basically rebooting him to when he woke up on Omicron Theta.
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I do think we're getting Brent showing up in a non-dream capacity at some point. Lore would be a good bet, too, as they could have played off him being on set and in makeup as 'oh no, he's playing Data in a dream sequence'. Like they find Maddox and Picard sees a flash of yellow eyes and is all "Data?!?" and then Spiner does that smug tutting and "I'll give you one more guess, old man!"
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Jan 25, 2020 00:53
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Jan 25, 2020 00:56
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Gaz-L posted:I do think we're getting Brent showing up in a non-dream capacity at some point. Lore would be a good bet, too, as they could have played off him being on set and in makeup as 'oh no, he's playing Data in a dream sequence'. Like they find Maddox and Picard sees a flash of yellow eyes and is all "Data?!?" and then Spiner does that smug tutting and "I'll give you one more guess, old man!" I’m pretty tired of Data, but I am down for more Lore after seeing how much fun Spiner was obviously having playing Arik Soong on Enterprise.
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Jan 25, 2020 01:01
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I got me a box of Earl Grey tea in preparation for next week’s episode.
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Jan 25, 2020 01:02
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Just LOL if you don't have a box of Earl Grey in your cupboard. What the hell are you doing with your life. I also want to praise the directing. It's rarely noticeable but it frames the action way better than 90s TV. The poker scene, weird Brent Spiner CGI not withstanding, was an unobtrusive look at what modern TV effects and direction can do.
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Jan 25, 2020 01:18
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It was really nice not getting motion sick while watching a TV show. Even during the fight sequences I knew where everyone was and what was happening! 
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Also, as someone who actually mostly likes DISCO, I was pleasantly surprised to see Dahj's fridged BF was a Xahean. In fact, the show was pretty good about using established Trek humanoid aliens, the make-up artist for the journalist was Bajoran, and one of the crew was a Trill.
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Jan 25, 2020 01:24
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I really want to see a Ferengi and a Benzite with modern prosthetics.
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Picard was poo poo actually, not a single scene started completely upside down and had the camera slowly spin 180 degrees to orient everything.
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Gaz-L posted:Also, as someone who actually mostly likes DISCO, I was pleasantly surprised to see Dahj's fridged BF was a Xahean. In fact, the show was pretty good about using established Trek humanoid aliens, the make-up artist for the journalist was Bajoran, and one of the crew was a Trill.
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Jan 25, 2020 01:39
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nine-gear crow posted:They realized how impossible it was to explain now that they’re doing Serious Trek again, so they changed it to being the star in the Romulan home system being the one that randomly went supernova. So the only planets that were lost were Romulus, Remus, and the rest of the system. Wait did Spock know that just beaming a supernova to another universe using black holes will still mean the Romulans will die, they'll just freeze instead of fry?
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I’m kind of stunned really. In retrospect, I liked the show. I REALLY like the theme music. I... i liked it. I was convinced they wouldn’t make decent Star Trek again. Time will tell, of course, but we’re off to a good start!
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The Golden Gael posted:Wait did Spock know that just beaming a supernova to another universe using black holes will still mean the Romulans will die, they'll just freeze instead of fry? This was back when it was a random star that went nova and the shockwave somehow made it to Romulus at FTL speeds. In the context of Star Trek Picard it somehow makes even less sense. So I'm just going to go with "Spock died on Romulus and there was no red matter or Jellyfish ship or anything". It's way simpler. The Kelvin Timeline simply happens because it happens, because it's Fun Trek and we don't need to think in Fun Trek because it's supposed to be fun. Picard is Serious Trek.
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marktheando posted:Man The Expanse is so loving great. I know there are Star Trek fans who refuse to watch it because they think it's grimdark, but they are really missing out.
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Jan 25, 2020 02:17
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Combat Pretzel posted:Wait, what? Seriously? Well it's an opinion I've run into online a few times anyway.
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Patrick Steward loving owned the poo poo out that bitch hoooolllly smokes
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Wouldn't be surprised that Mars is basically used as Earth's workshop; by the time they had developed enough terraforming technology they already had the warp drive, and M class planets are common enough that it's not worth the hassle to make an edge case out of Mars, so they do the minimum to keep it breathable and put all the polluting and noisy industry there where it's easy to get to but not in the way.
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Finally saw the Picard premiere, and... I like it. Not the way I like Discovery, where you kind of have to cherry-pick the good bits* to enjoy. I straight-up like this. You don't HAVE to know all the Trek trivia to enjoy it, but the show certainly rewards you with plenty of cookies if you happen to know the decades' worth of lore. (Lore! Ha-ha!  )One thing I thought of that I haven't seen mentioned yet: the whole thing about reconstructing Data's mind from one positronic neuro-something? It reminded me of the way real-life holograms work. You know that little hologram on your credit card? Each tiny piece of it contains the complete image of the bird. Cut it in half and you can still see the complete bird in each half (although each piece has lost some possible viewing angles). Maybe Data's positronic memory-things work in a similar way. * Namely, Doug Jones and Anson Mount.
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Gonz posted:I got me a box of Earl Grey tea in preparation for next week’s episode. Arglebargle III posted:Just LOL if you don't have a box of Earl Grey in your cupboard. What the hell are you doing with your life. Yeah I was a big ol dumbass and ran out of Earl Grey before I got to watch this ep. I will be sure to stock up for the remainder of the season so as to not bring further dishonor to my house.
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Jan 25, 2020 05:03
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Lady Grey is better than Earl Grey. 
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Baudolino posted:I hope they find a way to include Cardassians in some way in season 2. There is no reason not to, a very iconic TNG episode includes them after all. Maybe this show will generate renewed interest in the 24th century and we could get a whole other series picking up the threads of DS9.
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Jan 25, 2020 05:38
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Star Trek: Garak. Do it you cowards.
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Eh, I feel like the time to do a direct DS9 follow up has passed. Auberjonois and Eisenberg are dead, and Avery Brooks, Marc Alaimo, and Andrew Robinson are all basically retired from acting. Not having Sisko or Odo back, especially, really hurts the appeal of a revisit since those characters and their relationships were the heart of the show. You wouldn’t be able to do something like Picard, it would have to follow new characters exploring the political landscape left behind. Maybe some cameos or supporting roles from characters like Kira, Dax, and Bashir. It’s all moot though because, if we’re being brutally honest, Voyager is a much more likely candidate for a follow-up show just based on popularity among general audiences. It’s no surprise that Seven of Nine is showing up in Picard instead of, say, O’Brien or Kira or Dax.
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So Trump unveiled the logo for the US Space Force today: BBC found the inspiration. Edit: Completely missed that it was posted above. MichiganCubbie fucked around with this message at 06:43 on Jan 25, 2020 |
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Eh, I feel like the time to do a direct DS9 follow up has passed. Auberjonois and Eisenberg are dead, and Avery Brooks, Marc Alaimo, and Andrew Robinson are all basically retired from acting. Not having Sisko or Odo back, especially, really hurts the appeal of a revisit since those characters and their relationships were the heart of the show. You wouldn’t be able to do something like Picard, it would have to follow new characters exploring the political landscape left behind. Maybe some cameos or supporting roles from characters like Kira, Dax, and Bashir. Yeah, I just meant the political situation. It just deels weird to me to have the TNG follow up deal with stuff like the Dominion because at the end of the day it was from a totally different show.
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Maybe they could make the Captain Worf sh....ahahahaha
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Grand Fromage posted:Star Trek: Garak. Hell yeah
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Maybe they could make the Captain Worf sh....ahahahaha Don't say that, you'll summon the Dorn. Though it is really funny that they keep making these new Star Trek shows and he doesn't get one.
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DS9 feels pretty complete as is, a follow up might just gently caress everything up. Voyager already sucks so nowhere to go but up, right? Seven of Nine is confirmed for Picard, maybe get Bashir or Dax back and we can get a three-for-one.
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MichiganCubbie posted:So Trump unveiled the logo for the US Space Force today: If you think that's wild, you should check out the logos for Roscosmos, the Chinese Space Agency, the Indian Space Agency, and (to a lesser extent) JAXA. They all have some form of the delta wing. In Star Trek's case, they adapted it from the red swoosh in the NASA logo. Yeah it's a dumb logo for a dumb Trump vanity project, but the BBC kinda failed to mention that the Trek logo evolved from a real-world one and not the other way around.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Eh, I feel like the time to do a direct DS9 follow up has passed. Auberjonois and Eisenberg are dead, and Avery Brooks, Marc Alaimo, and Andrew Robinson are all basically retired from acting. Not having Sisko or Odo back, especially, really hurts the appeal of a revisit since those characters and their relationships were the heart of the show. You wouldn’t be able to do something like Picard, it would have to follow new characters exploring the political landscape left behind. Maybe some cameos or supporting roles from characters like Kira, Dax, and Bashir. It's been said before but that's more a reflection of the fact that Voyager had 2 good characters and 7 useless idiots. So it makes sense to pluck the good ones like 7 and (please god) the Doctor out of the garbage and let them work with good actors. DS9 was all about the ensemble and the show works best as an ensemble piece. I just... I love DS9 as it was and feel as though it ended up at a great place. It's perfect. If we get some occasional new tidbits about the Bajorans or Cardassia as PIcard goes on that's fine by me but as is... <3 I've been thinking more and more about what possible reason the synths would have to attack Utopia Plantia. As others have said, Starfleet had many shipyards - and the Dominion war showed the ability to rapidly outfit huge fleets towards the end. Indeed as others have alluded to starfleet has consistently gotten more and more warlike ever since wolf 359. Which begs the question. 1. why attack Utopia Planita? 2. Why do it then? 3. Why the outsized response to it? Starfleet lost like half the effing federation in the war and kept going... I dunno this has all the makings of section 31/tal shiar / obsidian order weirdness manipulating people into doing things not much sane and rational thought.
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Lordshmee posted:I. Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment. I fully still expect by episode 10, resurrected Emperor Lore has a fleet of 10,000 Borg cubes with species 8472 planet killer weapons that can't fly up. ...okay I'm cautiously optimistic and liking this a lot more than Discovery so far but I'm not expecting them to stick the landing.
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