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TheAgent posted:who knows, but its a good bet I am so enjoying the fact that CR righteousness claiming to be the saviour of PC games and shunning consoles may be coming to bite off half of his rear end. e: 
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Agony Aunt posted:You're all way overthinking this. Occam´s razor FTW. Not incompatible with Crobberts now wanting a console version tho.
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Rotten Red Rod posted:
They have to find a scapegoat for the problems, and since most don't care about SQ42 they blame it on that and its that which is holding CIG back from developing the real game! I have no idea what is going on in CIG of course, but either complete shennanigans, pure incompetence, or both. But as someone joked, they should do a poll. Backers will overwhelmingly vote to "delay" SQ42 (not sure what Calder would think of that, and a big gently caress you to everyone who wanted the single player game) to focus on PU. Backers will celebrate this "win" by splurging on more ships, CR will be absolved, and they will look forward to the new focus on SC. It will then be another year of excuses as to why SC isn't progressing as fast as they might expect, but they can keep it going with things like "need to retool the teams for the new focus on SC" and "we have now switched to drunken development so it will take a few months for the changes to take effect", and backers will accept it. A year later, they can find something else to blame. Perhaps once again put out a poll asking backers what features they should focus on.... remember those? Yeah, fun times.
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Keep cool guys. I've seen bigger delays in the last few years, that's harmless. The roadmap is a guarantee for quarter patches, not a feature guarantee. And we get some new features, that's also great. It looks like, SQ42 is still the priority and that's fine.
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MedicineHut posted:Occam´s razor FTW. Not incompatible with Crobberts now wanting a console version tho. He's just expanded the vision. He initially set out to save PC gaming, but now has expanded that to save console gaming as well. Perhaps in a few years he will include solving world hunger in the scope.
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bandaid.friend posted:Does the game perform poorly when dogfighting at high speed? There is no game.
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Beet Wagon posted:That loving roadmap lmfao. I agree Beet. How about you take a seat for a moment and tell us all about how it's making you feel.
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peter gabriel posted:Actually WoW has been out for 16 years now and is it finished? No, I think not. They are still developing it now, so if we add the initially development time to this WoW has actually been in development for 31 years so far, with no end in sight. And don't forget they charge for BlizzCon. What a bunch of smarmy mouthbreathers.
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G0RF posted:This seems like the biggest unknown of 2020 — did Chris con Calder in 2018 or not? Did he knowingly mislead him about the true state of Squadron, or did he sell him on something else and they just publicized the deal as a Squadron-centric investment? That desperate man used the last bit of clout he had to get a few shekles to save his redemption comeback saga and will lie, cheat, and steal from his mammy to keep his dream propped up. We all know this. Chris has not stuttered one word of truth about this since 2011. The ramifications of this is that Sq42 and all the dirty tricks he and Ortwin used to keep bilking folks finally hit a wall. That game is now dead in the cradle because releasing it in any fashion opens this lawsuit back up and would be a self admission of guilt. They are out of time to try and switch to a new engine especially after leading the faithful for almost a decade by the nose and claiming a 2020 beta. Folks just don't have that kind of patience to wait another decade for it.
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Scruffpuff posted:It was a magical time, to be sure. It wasn't just Sandi though; each member of the Dysfunction Squad had their own flavour and added something to the poo poo mix. Look at the guy who is warming up to do the 'foreword' for the best selling novel. <Insert Best Selling Novel Name Here>
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Hav posted:Picard is good. Isn't that behind another paywall streaming service? (I'm too lazy to check myself, so I'll wait for other people to do the work for me and wait for a response. Which is crazy when you think about it. I could have searched for the answer myself and read a couple of reviews in the time that it took me to write this whole post)
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Bootcha posted:
It kind of seems that Cryrekt understands nothing about game development though. Anyway, my personal guess is the redacted text mentions "pre-alpha state" and "early days" in one way or another.
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DapperDon posted:Folks just don't have that kind of patience to wait another decade for it. "CIG can take all the time they need to get it right. I'd rather have a good game later than a buggy mess now. A rushed game is forever bad but a delayed game is always good." Don't underestimate the willingness of the faithful to wait for an eternity.
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Rugganovich posted:Look at the guy who is warming up to do the 'foreword' for the best selling novel. Uncaged Desire?
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Rugganovich posted:Isn't that behind another paywall streaming service? (I'm too lazy to check myself, so I'll wait for other people to do the work for me and wait for a response. Which is crazy when you think about it. I could have searched for the answer myself and read a couple of reviews in the time that it took me to write this whole post) You clearly don't understand TV series devleopment. Also: torrents.
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Star Citizen: In order to allow downstream teams time to fully complete their implementations, this card has been moved to
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Hang on a second. A few days ago some goons in this thread were unironically calling Crytek Cryrekt!
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If you disregard all the missed deadlines and the amounting years of development while still in pre-alpha and still not having something that anyone could call "playable game worth its money" with a straight face.... It's actually quite a sensible decision to strip their spaghetti roadmap to bare minimum. If the last year you aimed to advance the project progress by say a 30% and instead you've accomplished a .3%, then it would be insane to pile up even more for the new year. And that's not even something that is topical to the last year. They keep underachieving and dropping work on features at "tier 0" because of all the technical debt and because CIbuttG for years hasn't been operating as a company developing a game, but rather as a bunch of hacks marketing a game that does not exist and cannot possibly exist as promised, ever. So, if your now exhausted overworked development team only from trying to provide a playable demo for your Con's and a convincing fake ad for another mode or vehicle that nobody asked, if they need a win, they should set way, way lower and achievable goals for the year (or next few months anyway). Also SQ54 isn't happening this year, unless CI-hotG redefines "beta", which is not that far fetched by the way 
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Rugganovich posted:Isn't that behind another paywall streaming service? (I'm too lazy to check myself, so I'll wait for other people to do the work for me and wait for a response. Which is crazy when you think about it. I could have searched for the answer myself and read a couple of reviews in the time that it took me to write this whole post) It's is on some tier of cable here. Admittedly a channel I don't subscribe too. Edit: Quick looks says CBS will broadcast and have it on its streaming service. Followed by Amazon Prime in the States. Canada says CTV Sci-Fi for broadcast, Crave for streaming. Agony Aunt posted:You clearly don't understand TV series devleopment. Also this.
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So presuming SQ42 has been deliberately delayed, either by downing tools, or porting it to console, or whatever. And given that the PU is a poo poo show that breaks its own legs every time it sizes up a step forward. What the hell are the 400 devs actually working on? Desperately building Battlefield? Constantly performing medical gameplay on the PU? Sneaking down the exit ramp?
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his nibs posted:Hang on a second. A few days ago some goons in this thread were unironically calling Crytek Cryrekt! Not a pointy finger complaint btw - just help me understand the legals?
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his nibs posted:Not a pointy finger complaint btw - just help me understand the legals? Star Citizen is good and Crytek is CryRekt.
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Pixelate posted:So presuming SQ42 has been deliberately delayed, either by downing tools, or porting it to console, or whatever. And given that the PU is a poo poo show that breaks its own legs every time it sizes up a step forward. What the hell are the 400 devs actually working on? I'm finding it hard to believe that they actually have 400+ devs for the amount of 'progress', it seems more like 20-50 actual devs and the rest are just marketing and video production specialists.
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Rugganovich posted:And don't forget they charge for BlizzCon. The ad's targets paying to watch the ad will never cease to amaze me.
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Thanks CIG, it has been a while since you've provided us some laughs heading into a weekend.
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Daztek posted:Star Citizen is good and Crytek is CryRekt. then my Idri are safe!
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Agony Aunt posted:"CIG can take all the time they need to get it right. I'd rather have a good game later than a buggy mess now. A rushed game is forever bad but a delayed game is always good." Considering that the majority of the whales and serious die hard backers are in their late 30's-40's, stringing them along for another decade is just not something that is attainable. There comes a point where even that retread of a phrase will have lost meaning. Sure there will be a few terminally stupid incels that have strapped themselves and their entire identity to this shitshow, but then again I have seen Scientologists look at the whole Xenu saga think that is perfectly fine. For gently caress sake, I built a building that is designed to give them superpowers so I have a decent understating of how far people can be lost into a cult. CiG is no Scientology.
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I think under pressure about release dates, someone from CIG really did "admit" that SQ42 might never release at all. In an earlier redacted entry it said something like, "would come as a surprise to the paying customers". There's no delay that would come as a surprise to anyone. I'm not sure a console release would be a surprise with negative implications.Crytek posted:CIG has never provided a single authority stating that taking a second license from a third party to develop using the same code covered by the first license somehow voids the restrictions of the first license Also there's nothing as colourful as ram-raiding analogies in Crytek's rather dry filing, come on guys. Crytek have agreed to leave the bond intact until they refile if the motion to dismiss is granted so that is good news for future court case development. They are down to two complaints they want to return to when SQ42 is launched. I attempt to summarise their complaints thusly, so Crytek drives their truck into the window of the shop an 1.) Squadron 42 was developed from at least January 2016 under Crytek licence, having only then announced their intention to breach the GLA and the Amazon licence was never really applicable, but even if it was they were in breach for 9 months+prior to January 2016 probably because they intended from the start to sell separately even if they did not announce it. In terms of seeking a remedy I guess they argue they should have bought a second Crytek licence and that would have been ~$2m? I guess since they said that the Star Citizen licence of ~$2m was lower than their commercial rate, they would ask for more or royalties. 2.) CIG removed the Crytek credits from the game (Star Citizen) while still using CryEngine, even accepting that they had two licences, they still had to obey the Crytek licence and display Crytek credits. They are admitting that this claim is restricted to the loss of potential earnings from other CryEngine licences that presumably they did not sell because of the negative impact of CIG switching their credits and making their public announcement of the switch. There seems to be no punitive damages allowed, so it would only be loss of earnings that they can argue. They say they are only dismissing the credits claim along with the SQ42 claim because if/when/if SQ42 launches it would have the same issue probably maybe, so it makes sense to wait on that claim as a whole too.
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Of course the bait and switch has only happened with the "current method". The previous 8 years though have been totally square and fair.
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bandaid.friend posted:Does the game perform poorly when dogfighting at high speed? They finally realized that pixel on pixel combat is stupid, but rather than compromise ~Their Vision~ theyve decided to stack dumb penalties to try to force players into fights where they can actually see the enemy. God forbid they just fix the design.
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Pixelate posted:So presuming SQ42 has been deliberately delayed, either by downing tools, or porting it to console, or whatever. And given that the PU is a poo poo show that breaks its own legs every time it sizes up a step forward. What the hell are the 400 devs actually working on? It is possible that having shown off their Battlefield mode 3 months ago they are now desperately trying to make it playable to release it, therefore other things have been pushed back.
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Remember when they talked about doing intentionally impossible deadlines in order to motivate the staff? Ah, fun times. Then they said they would stop doing that... and still give unrealistic deadlines.
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