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Argentum
Feb 6, 2011
UGLY LIKE BOWEL CANCER

1redflag posted:

I’m the poster “just asking questions” about how the flu could potentially obliterate my political opponents

Just asking questions, but what would happen if someone (not me) engineered a supervirus that killed all of my political opponents and mind controlled the world's military to obey my (not me) command?

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Im Ready for DEATH
Oct 5, 2016

I'm glad I'm not the only guy wondering about that dude jacking off to elderly death and the potential political implications. What a loving rear end in a top hat.

Il Federale
Oct 10, 2012



Argentum posted:

Just asking questions, but what would happen if someone (not me) engineered a supervirus that killed all of my political opponents and mind controlled the world's military to obey my (not me) command?

it would be bad unless that person is me in which case it would be good of course

Luckyellow
Sep 25, 2007

Pillbug

Im Ready for DEATH posted:

I'm glad I'm not the only guy wondering about that dude jacking off to elderly death and the potential political implications. What a loving rear end in a top hat.

I guess you're not ready for DEATH after all lol

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005
they only important thing is how do we harvest the nutrients from the dead and/or dying?

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

unpacked robinhood posted:

The rare ppe meme

I hear you cough with your pants down

Uncle Lloyd
Sep 2, 2019

Applesnots posted:

A buddy of mine is currently living in Wuhan right now and is on lock down. He just told me that the embassy is chartering a flight to get all Americans out of there.

Are they actually billing the evacuees for the cost of the flight? I read (I think it was in a Wall Street Journal article) that they would have to pay well above commercial flight prices for the seats.

Chef Boyardeez Nuts
Sep 9, 2011

The more you kick against the pricks, the more you suffer.

Bip Roberts posted:

they only important thing is how do we harvest the nutrients from the dead and/or dying?

The estate tax, op.

Despera
Jun 6, 2011
Trumps at like Howard Hughs level of germaphobia anyway

Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

People paying American dollars to let other people know they didn't agree with someone's position on something is the lifeblood of these forums.

Bip Roberts posted:

they only important thing is how do we harvest the nutrients from the dead and/or dying?

Play SMAC, Yang's got the deets.

Mnoba
Jun 24, 2010
i hope they make those bubbles like bubble boy was in for xxl

Aoi
Sep 12, 2017

Perpetually a Pain.

Wild Horses posted:

Ebola had a few factors that maximized it’s spread too. Geographically it was really hard to oversee and stop people from moving over the borders in countries: it was just different types of bush and forest in west Africa

Infrastructure is bad but that also meant medical teams had a harder time reaching zones with big infection rates.
Also people in these afflicted places have no real education and distrust for medical personnel, so they won’t report the sick.
All in all Ebola was worse than it could have been, but still fairly good all things considered

Don't get me wrong, Ebola is bad and scary and terrible, I'm just saying it's not really the big scare for a massive pandemic.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
Only 49 cured... looks like this is a long lasting sickness, which is bad even if it doesn't kill because this is going to put a hell of a strain on medical services.

https://twitter.com/CGTNOfficial/st...irms-first-case

Seven of the deaths in the last day have been outside of Heibi province.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/live/2020/jan/26/coronavirus-outbreak-death-toll-rises-to-54-as-canada-confirms-first-case

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

Cured actually means “totally didn’t die but symptoms are gone” right??

Real Cool Catfish
Jun 6, 2011
That 1 to 1 K/D

Chrs
Sep 21, 2015

I thought there was no cure?

toggle
Nov 7, 2005

Chrs posted:

I thought there was no cure?

Death is the cure?

Real Cool Catfish
Jun 6, 2011
If it’s a legitimate case, the human body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

From everything I’ve seen so far all the numbers for R0 seem to be from information given out by China which we all know is dubious at best.

There needs to be more research done by people not in China.

LibCrusher
Jan 6, 2019

by Fluffdaddy

Chrs posted:

I thought there was no cure?

Your own body will often cure itself of diseases all on its own!

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

How much tiger penis did they have to eat to be “cured”??

13Pandora13
Nov 5, 2008

I've got tiiits that swingle dangle dingle




MarcusSA posted:

Cured actually means “totally didn’t die but symptoms are gone” right??


Chrs posted:

I thought there was no cure?

"Cured" means you were confirmed positive for the infection previously and no longer have the infection in your system. "Cured" can mean natural immunity or treated.

The super high number of infected/not yet cured may be "well" and asymptomatic, but still has testing markers for infection so they are not considered cured. Not sure off of the top of my head what the shedding period is/how long people stay infectious.

The R0 estimate from the WHO is around 1.4-2.5 which is roughly in line with "bad year" seasonal flu outbreaks. This year's flu has been pretty bad for pediatric deaths; the coronavirus so far has mostly killed people over the age of 65 with only a handful in the 30-50 range. Like yes, exercise good handwashing and stop touching your loving face, but panicking over this is not helping anyone. It's just making things worse for healthcare providers.

Mr. Creakle
Apr 27, 2007

Protecting your virginity



Anyone who’s all like “lol it’s no big deal it’s not like Ebola” go read up on the Spanish flu. Read about how it came to be, how it mutated, how many people it killed, how people could shoot blood feet away from them Ebola style, and how it evolved to actually attack people in their prime and cause what is called a cytokine storm.

It’s obviously a very different illness from this, but it’s just a reminder that just because this new disease isn’t as outwardly horrific as Ebola doesn’t mean you should feel immune to it as a young, healthy adult in a first world country.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

13Pandora13 posted:

"Cured" means you were confirmed positive for the infection previously and no longer have the infection in your system. "Cured" can mean natural immunity or treated.

The super high number of infected/not yet cured may be "well" and asymptomatic, but still has testing markers for infection so they are not considered cured. Not sure off of the top of my head what the shedding period is/how long people stay infectious.

The R0 estimate from the WHO is around 1.4-2.5 which is roughly in line with "bad year" seasonal flu outbreaks. This year's flu has been pretty bad for pediatric deaths; the coronavirus so far has mostly killed people over the age of 65 with only a handful in the 30-50 range. Like yes, exercise good handwashing and stop touching your loving face, but panicking over this is not helping anyone. It's just making things worse for healthcare providers.

https://twitter.com/MRC_Outbreak/st...6pagenumber%3D7

13Pandora13
Nov 5, 2008

I've got tiiits that swingle dangle dingle




extra row of teeth posted:

Anyone who’s all like “lol it’s no big deal it’s not like Ebola” go read up on the Spanish flu. Read about how it came to be, how it mutated, how many people it killed, how people could shoot blood feet away from them Ebola style, and how it evolved to actually attack people in their prime and cause what is called a cytokine storm.

It’s obviously a very different illness from this, but it’s just a reminder that just because this new disease isn’t as outwardly horrific as Ebola doesn’t mean you should feel immune to it as a young, healthy adult in a first world country.

Lol when did I bring up ebola or say anything of the sort? Quarantining is objectively a very bad response to outbreaks except for in the most severe circumstances, it increases infection and fatalities while doing very little to actually curtail the spread. WHO will almost always discourage it for this reason. It has nothing to do with "feeling young and healthy in a first world country," avoiding fomite exposure with basic proactive hygiene and staying home when you're ill is the exact same public health advice for basically everything. Encouraging panicking and blowing out medical supplies so healthcare providers cannot work effectively is the worst thing governments and media can do.

HellOnEarth
Nov 7, 2005

Now that's good jerky!
I'm immunocomprimised and the first case was just diagnosed in Toronto, where I am, so I'm pretty sure I'm ultrafucked. Guess I just sit here and wait to die?

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

13Pandora13 posted:

The R0 estimate from the WHO is around 1.4-2.5 which is roughly in line with "bad year" seasonal flu outbreaks. This year's flu has been pretty bad for pediatric deaths; the coronavirus so far has mostly killed people over the age of 65 with only a handful in the 30-50 range. Like yes, exercise good handwashing and stop touching your loving face, but panicking over this is not helping anyone. It's just making things worse for healthcare providers.

Again though those estimates are using data that China has provided which is dubious at best.

Do it ironically
Jul 13, 2010

by Pragmatica

HellOnEarth posted:

I'm immunocomprimised and the first case was just diagnosed in Toronto, where I am, so I'm pretty sure I'm ultrafucked. Guess I just sit here and wait to die?

If it hits Kelowna it could wipe out over half our town

Robo Reagan
Feb 12, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
am i dead yet

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

MarcusSA posted:

Cured actually means “totally didn’t die but symptoms are gone” right??

The absence of symptoms in someone who was sick is what "cured" literally means, yes

13Pandora13
Nov 5, 2008

I've got tiiits that swingle dangle dingle




MarcusSA posted:

Again though those estimates are using data that China has provided which is dubious at best.

There has been a great deal more transparency about this outbreak (ironically, because of how hosed they were during SARS) and we have AI learning now that doesn't depend on official statements at all https://www.wired.com/story/ai-epidemiologist-wuhan-public-health-warnings/

SARS had an R0 of 2-5.

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Got plans to fly this week and I am definitely not feeling any anxiety over this

Please ignore my breathing mask and the thin protective bubble of latex covering my entire body

it dont matter
Aug 29, 2008

toggle posted:

Death is the cure?

:rock:

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

otoh it would be good if we killed all of the boomers so if I get sick count on me just driving around to different old-dominated counties just sneezing and coughing on fat old people

LanceHunter
Nov 12, 2016

Beautiful People Club


QuarkJets posted:

Please ignore my breathing mask and the thin protective bubble of latex covering my entire body

Man, fetishists will find any excuse to do their thing in public...

Il Federale
Oct 10, 2012



Real Cool Catfish posted:

If it’s a legitimate case, the human body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.

lol

Turrurrurrurrrrrrr
Dec 22, 2018

I hope this is "battle" enough for you, friend.

HellOnEarth posted:

I'm immunocomprimised and the first case was just diagnosed in Toronto, where I am, so I'm pretty sure I'm ultrafucked. Guess I just sit here and wait to die?

Why not party like you're going to die?

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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HellOnEarth posted:

I'm immunocomprimised and the first case was just diagnosed in Toronto, where I am, so I'm pretty sure I'm ultrafucked. Guess I just sit here and wait to die?

Unless you've snuck into any Sunnybrook quarantine wards in the past 24 hours I'd say you are probably safe from this virus and can return your attention to the ten thousand other pathogens you're vulnerable to that aren't in the news

Mr. Creakle
Apr 27, 2007

Protecting your virginity



13Pandora13 posted:

Lol when did I bring up ebola or say anything of the sort? Quarantining is objectively a very bad response to outbreaks except for in the most severe circumstances, it increases infection and fatalities while doing very little to actually curtail the spread. WHO will almost always discourage it for this reason. It has nothing to do with "feeling young and healthy in a first world country," avoiding fomite exposure with basic proactive hygiene and staying home when you're ill is the exact same public health advice for basically everything. Encouraging panicking and blowing out medical supplies so healthcare providers cannot work effectively is the worst thing governments and media can do.

I never mentioned you in particular and my post wasn’t directed at any particular goon in the thread. It was more of a PSA for those who didn’t know too much about historical diseases and why not to let your guard down despite the massive leaps and bounds we have made since then in terms of medical science and hygiene practices. Hell, look at the misunderstanding of medical masks and homeopathic cures in this very thread.

We aren’t immune in the 21st century.

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MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

13Pandora13 posted:

There has been a great deal more transparency about this outbreak (ironically, because of how hosed they were during SARS) and we have AI learning now that doesn't depend on official statements at all https://www.wired.com/story/ai-epidemiologist-wuhan-public-health-warnings/

SARS had an R0 of 2-5.

If you say so but I will remain skeptical of the data that’s been provided so far.

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