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Timmy Age 6
Jul 23, 2011

Lobster says "mrow?"

Ramrod XTreme
I'm going to be interested to see whether there are any opportunities during the Q&A phase to make John Roberts rule on whether anything is relevant to the trial. Is that something where, say, Schiff could get a pants-on-head question about :byodood:OBAMAAA:byodood: and ask Roberts to rule on whether it's germane, or is his whole role here being a text-to-speech machine for reading questions?

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Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

That's a fantastic metaphor!

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.

oxsnard posted:

To be clear, I think there's no way in hell he gets removed. But the Bolton testimony means there's a risk something incredibly damning comes out
If Bolton testifies and basically says yeah Trump did the crimes, then it's a loving chaos dunk certainty that Trump is going to comment on it, repeatedly and loudly. At which point there's a really loving strong case for calling Trump. As in it's already pretty loving off-the-charts bonkers that it's not even seriously on the table. I mean yeah McConnell would have to be batshit crazy to allow it, but it isn't clear how much of a lock on the R votes he has. And if our big dumb wet President starts mewling 24/7 about this poo poo, and I mean who the gently caress thinks he won't, then I don't know how much that would shift the calculus, with something like 75% of everybody and 50% of Rs already onboard with witnesses at all, and once the door is open it's pretty loving hard to argue against witness that know more than Bolton.

Alkabob
May 31, 2011
I would like to speak to the manager about the socialists, please
Truth ang justice pulls out an 11th hour win?

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

eke out posted:

woah there hold your horses

even if things go maximally bad the worst case scenario for trump is like "52-55 people vote to convict, 10+ short of what's required to remove"

Anything 51 and up allows the Dems to campaign on "the majority of the senate voted to convict". It would be pretty damaging.

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.

Scooter_McCabe posted:

Truth ang justice pulls out an 11th hour win?
I seriously doubt it. Like I wouldn't put any money on it. But I think to borrow Bolton's own metaphor, he's a grenade waiting to go off. If he testifies I think there's a good chance that McConnell and the leadership will just redouble their efforts to keep their heads down and just soldier through the process. So in that sense the outcome won't change. But there already seems to be a meaningful shift in public perception of the process, and the more public opinion and the impeachment process get out of whack with each other the worse it's going to be for the Rs downstream.

Djarum
Apr 1, 2004

by vyelkin

Charlz Guybon posted:

Anything 51 and up allows the Dems to campaign on "the majority of the senate voted to convict". It would be pretty damaging.

Yeah Trump would get slammed on this nonstop which would cause him to lash out constantly and both sides of the GOP Senate will get bombs nonstop.

You want to know how Democrats pick up 5-10 seats in the Senate? This is how.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



I think the big win at the moment is that there's more and more people looking at what is going to happen to them after November 2020 and are getting nervous. The people involved in presidential crimes in particular seem to be concerned that they're going be in the G. Gordon Liddy position of going to jail while the guy in charge walks free and are doing what they can to not be the one thrown under the bus. The consequences won't be coming in the next few weeks, but it's setting up big consequences down the road.

In more current events, I'm looking forward to almost 50% of the questions being slams on the Trump team and asking them to explain the contractions and lies in their statement.

Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

Random Stranger posted:

I think the big win at the moment is that there's more and more people looking at what is going to happen to them after November 2020 and are getting nervous. The people involved in presidential crimes in particular seem to be concerned that they're going be in the G. Gordon Liddy position of going to jail while the guy in charge walks free and are doing what they can to not be the one thrown under the bus. The consequences won't be coming in the next few weeks, but it's setting up big consequences down the road.

Parnas is phishing for immunity from Congress for sure.

Taerkar
Dec 7, 2002

kind of into it, really

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

I don't think there's anything that will get them to convict unless it was a secret ballot. He could literally shoot John Bolton on 5th avenue and it wouldn't matter.

Don't be absurd. Trump would never do something that good.

Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

Taerkar posted:

Don't be absurd. Trump would never do something that good.

I'll be extremely disappointed if this all ends without him shooting someone on fifth avenue.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

I'll be extremely disappointed if this all ends without him shooting someone on fifth avenue.

They HAVE to be saving that for the finale

ManBoyChef
Aug 1, 2019

Deadbeat Dad



Djarum posted:

Yeah Trump would get slammed on this nonstop which would cause him to lash out constantly and both sides of the GOP Senate will get bombs nonstop.

You want to know how Democrats pick up 5-10 seats in the Senate? This is how.

dude this is the hellworld timeline. In spite of all the distortions and outright lies, Despite the complete coverup, despite the fact they are going against what the country wants, they will probably expand their majority in the senate and trump will probably be reelected. I also am pretty sure Trump is going to be gloating in the most infuriating way at the SOTU. He will alternate between complaining about how he has been treated and how awesome his victory is and how it is total absolute exoneration. He will probably do that thing where he replaces himself with the country. For example "This hoax has been so damaging to the country." Noone will learn any lessons other than us. We will learn to never hope for anything in politics.

twice burned ice
Dec 29, 2008

My stove defies the laws of physics!

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

I'll be extremely disappointed if this all ends without him shooting someone on fifth avenue.

If this happens, I'm out. We're in a Truman show and everyone is loving with me.

PIZZA.BAT
Nov 12, 2016


:cheers:


Djarum posted:

I am trying to think of who the Republicans can nominate that would be able to get through. They don't have much in the moderate camp anymore, especially that could survive the House. If McCain were alive I could see him. I assume they would need to nominate someone who wouldn't want to run beyond that as well since I would think they would want to get someone more to the right to run. Granted they don't have much there either.

It would be one thing that I could see them not wanting to pull any bullshit with since the House could just block them and they would ultimately be forced with President Pelosi which would be enough to get them to play ball.

Romney or Kasich would probably be able to swing enough blue dogs in the house to get through.

There Bias Two
Jan 13, 2009
I'm not a good person

twice burned ice posted:

If this happens, I'm out. We're in a Truman show and everyone is loving with me.

You're not the only one who feels like reality has gone far beyond plausibility at this point.

Aoi
Sep 12, 2017

Perpetually a Pain.

Bubbacub posted:

When did Dershowitz turn into a chud? Did he get infected with Guiliani's brainworms?

Turns out, he's a pedophile, and Epstein and Trump have a ton of dirt on him because of his rape crimes, so he'll do anything they (now he) says to avoid their turning on him.

Turns out he was a pedophile all along, and that's why he hasn't been able to keep himself from constantly ranting at law students about the age of consent and how men can totally accidentally trip into raping women and thus not be legally culpable for said rapes.

ManBoyChef
Aug 1, 2019

Deadbeat Dad



EimiYoshikawa posted:

Turns out, he's a pedophile, and Epstein and Trump have a ton of dirt on him because of his rape crimes, so he'll do anything they (now he) says to avoid their turning on him.

Turns out he was a pedophile all along, and that's why he hasn't been able to keep himself from constantly ranting at law students about the age of consent and how men can totally accidentally trip into raping women and thus not be legally culpable for said rapes.

Is this true? can you point me to an article because I really hate dershowitz.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

oxsnard posted:

stop fantasizing about Pence getting the boot too. They'll pin it all on trump if they go down that road. There will be no replacement VP either IMO

Trump would throw everyone under the bus and it's 50/50 if some psychopath true believer kept any receipts for blackmailing the gop

mdemone
Mar 14, 2001

Is there a place where I can safely express my feelings about Mitch?

I need a SCIF.

DarkHorse
Dec 13, 2006

Vroom vroom, BEEP BEEP!
Nap Ghost

ManBoyChef posted:

Is this true? can you point me to an article because I really hate dershowitz.

Google "Dershowitz age of consent" there's a lot of options

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1222282422110154753

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1222284074066366464

piss baby has a thing tonight i guess.

Djarum
Apr 1, 2004

by vyelkin

Over under him admitting to new crimes tonight?

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Djarum posted:

Over under him admitting to new crimes tonight?

possibly. he will probably gently caress up the trial more somehow though.

eke out
Feb 24, 2013



Dapper_Swindler posted:

possibly. he will probably gently caress up the trial more somehow though.

how about rudy instead

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1222321254109274112
https://twitter.com/CBSThisMorning/status/1222299977541734405

Fate Accomplice
Nov 30, 2006




Djarum posted:

Over under him admitting to new crimes tonight?

Do you know how over/under works?

I think you meant to say “how likely”

eke out
Feb 24, 2013



ketchup vs catsup posted:

Do you know how over/under works?

lol over/under on shutup?

Otteration
Jan 4, 2014

I CAN'T SAY PRESIDENT DONALD JOHN TRUMP'S NAME BECAUSE HE'S LIKE THAT GUY FROM HARRY POTTER AND I'M AFRAID I'LL SUMMON HIM. DONALD JOHN TRUMP. YOUR FAVORITE PRESIDENT.
OUR 47TH PRESIDENT AFTER THE ONE WHO SHOWERS WITH HIS DAUGHTER DIES
Grimey Drawer

eke out posted:

woah there hold your horses

even if things go maximally bad the worst case scenario for trump is like "52-55 people vote to convict, 10+ short of what's required to remove"

“You’ve got to be very careful if you don’t know where you are going, because you might not get there.”

I'd guess a "fun" week will be that Bolton (et al) testifies. Predicting anything either way at this point is drat near idiotic.

Would love to have been a witness in the likely shouty closed-door Republican meeting though. Hope it ALL leaks eventually.

funeral home DJ
Apr 21, 2003


Pillbug
Oh man, I’m imagining Rudy doing a line of blow and getting up in front of the Senate to fight for Big Wet Orange Boomer and holy gently caress I hope we get to see this in this timeline.

Framboise
Sep 21, 2014

To make yourself feel better, you make it so you'll never give in to your forevers and live for always.


Lipstick Apathy

I swear I do not understand how someone has the ability to be so brazenly evil with a poo poo eating grin.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

ketchup vs catsup posted:

Do you know how over/under works?

I think you meant to say “how likely”

nah, the over/under is 0.5.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

HONG KONG SLUMLORD posted:

Oh man, I’m imagining Rudy doing a line of blow and getting up in front of the Senate to fight for Big Wet Orange Boomer and holy gently caress I hope we get to see this in this timeline.

we might. trump and his defence team are high on their own poo poo so i could see them thinking rudy would be a good idea.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

Framboise posted:

I swear I do not understand how someone has the ability to be so brazenly evil with a poo poo eating grin.
If you still don't see the layers of narcissism pouring from this orange man, go read up on Goering's trial.

Probe 17
Jul 27, 2014

Red Rain is coming down

Red Rain

ManBoyChef posted:

dude this is the hellworld timeline. In spite of all the distortions and outright lies, Despite the complete coverup, despite the fact they are going against what the country wants, they will probably expand their majority in the senate and trump will probably be reelected. I also am pretty sure Trump is going to be gloating in the most infuriating way at the SOTU. He will alternate between complaining about how he has been treated and how awesome his victory is and how it is total absolute exoneration. He will probably do that thing where he replaces himself with the country. For example "This hoax has been so damaging to the country." Noone will learn any lessons other than us. We will learn to never hope for anything in politics.

This Nothing Matters narrative about Republicans only getting more powerful has always sounded pretty inaccurate and only sounds more so lately. The Republicans have good poker faces and are smug idiots but they have been getting hammered left right and center since this Senate trial started.

I get that Trump winning at all has utterly killed some people's hope but at this point I have to wonder if despair is just becoming more comfortable than hoping again for some people. Imagine seeing McConnell utterly lose control of his caucus like this and evidence constantly pouring out that makes Trump look worse and going "Yeah no they have iron-fisted control here no way we're going to win"

Framboise
Sep 21, 2014

To make yourself feel better, you make it so you'll never give in to your forevers and live for always.


Lipstick Apathy

Grouchio posted:

If you still don't see the layers of narcissism pouring from this orange man, go read up on Goering's trial.

I see the layers and have from the start. It's just that I, a person who can claim a vestige of a shred of moral fiber, do not understand why the world has not torn such a despicable, annoying, power-abusing bastard limb from limb and proceeded to beat him with said limbs and instead allowed him to get where he is today.

Wylie
Jun 27, 2005

Ever to conquer, never to yield.


Looking forward to "There's always more, and it's always worse" working in the other direction for once in this hell timeline.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Probe 17 posted:

This Nothing Matters narrative about Republicans only getting more powerful has always sounded pretty inaccurate and only sounds more so lately. The Republicans have good poker faces and are smug idiots but they have been getting hammered left right and center since this Senate trial started.

I get that Trump winning at all has utterly killed some people's hope but at this point I have to wonder if despair is just becoming more comfortable than hoping again for some people. Imagine seeing McConnell utterly lose control of his caucus like this and evidence constantly pouring out that makes Trump look worse and going "Yeah no they have iron-fisted control here no way we're going to win"

i hope so, i assume we will see friday and i am sure poo poo will drop more. i still dont believe he will be removed but at this point thats the only "good" ending for the GOP right now.

Probe 17
Jul 27, 2014

Red Rain is coming down

Red Rain

Dapper_Swindler posted:

i hope so, i assume we will see friday and i am sure poo poo will drop more. i still dont believe he will be removed but at this point thats the only "good" ending for the GOP right now.

It's not about removing Trump, because Democrats know the Republicans are spineless cowards who gladly made Trump the anchor around their collective necks. It's about making said spineless cowards look as horrible as possible, forcing them to remove the masks, and energizing as many Democrats and Independants as they loving can to go to the polls in November come hell or high water to vote these fuckers out of office, and they have been doing an amazing job at all three of these things.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


ketchup vs catsup posted:

Do you know how over/under works?

I think you meant to say “how likely”

They mean over/under on how many times he will admit to crimes. It's 6.5.

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Djarum
Apr 1, 2004

by vyelkin
Well he is straight into loony tunes tonight with his greatest hits.

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1222325676705046529?ref_src=twsrc
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1222323544849375238?ref_src=twsrc

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1222326054825742336?ref_src=twsrc

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