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With the backstop dead and the 31st of January almost here, what's the situation on the Irish border? Edit: 138 is the number of ideas Johnson doesn't have to fix this.
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Border? What border? Brexit's been solved, not sure if you've heard.
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Jan 30, 2020 16:02
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Dabir posted:this country is a grey, miserable hole full of grumpy, miserable cunts who can't imagine better and would rather have worse than be proved wrong. the most emotion you can see from your average rear end in a top hat on the streets is barely disguised horror and disgust from old fuckers with one foot in the grave, swanning about looking like they're afraid of their own farts. go outside and try and find a happy person. you can't, happy people have to stay inside or their fleeting joy would be crushed out of them by the sea of miserable frowns. all races, all genders, all religions, all anything, just loving miserable. the only people laughing are the Tories, cause these miserable fuckers put them there to make their lives worse. gently caress britain. if I could push a button and plunge this utter waste of arable land into the center of the earth and raise every other country on the planet one inch away from the steadily rising sea levels I'd do it so fast you'd all be saying your goodbyes halfway through the mantle I've been thinking about writing a similar post for a while now, because it really is true. My inspiration was having to spend a weekend walking around my city (Peterborough - recently voted Worst Place To Live in Britain), from the centre, through the southern suburbs out to the outlying dormitory villages. Absolutely everyone you pass looks some mix of miserable, angry, fearful or just utterly worn-down and hopeless. Everytime you pass someone engaged in a conversation with someone else, or talking on their phone, you catch a brief section of either a bitter, angry row, some sort of complaint or just general low-level swear-laden moaning. I was so struck by it that I actually wondered if I was just picking up the loud, more noticeable stuff but no - everyone I passed who was engaged in some sort of human interaction was just grouchy or angry, and everyone just going about their own business looked equally grouchy or angry. And then it strikes you that the environment and community we exist in doesn't exactly promote positive emotions. Peterborough is, by any of the metrics frequently collected, a boom town. Its population is rapidly growing, the city centre is a forest of cranes and scaffolding, there are new houses going up all over the place and an entire new town going up on the outskirks (a proper new community with facilities, services, transport links, shops and stuff, not just a giant housing estate). Unemployment is lower than the national average, economic growth is significantly higher than the regional and national average. The city centre is bustling and really quite pleasant. But where is all that money actually going? The city centre is full and busy, but it's all just big chain shops and restaurants that you can find in any other regional city in the country. Or banks. Or estate agents. There is one small street with a good range of independent Italian restaurants, a traditional butchers, a family-run jewellers...and a honking great Wetherspoons. What's really noticeable walking around the suburbs (mostly Victorian and 1930s-era housing stock) is how everything that's not part of a big business for UKplc has been killed off. Just seemingly endless boarded-up empty pubs (the only open ones are all identikit chains), derelict fish-and-chip shops, closed down post offices, what was a working men's club in the process of demolition ("Site Purchased For Construction of Ten New Exciting Executive Properties") and so on. Anything that's not providing overnight accomodation for the worker bees and might provide some sort of social fabric or sense of distinct community is just vanished or rotting. Peterbough often gets cast as a place that's 'culturally barren'. It actually has quite a thriving culture/art/creative scene, it just has a weird underground nature to it because it gets gently caress all support from the council or the city at large. They're just finishing up a £multi-million development on the riverside right in the city centre on what had been a derelict warehouse/railway wagon works site, after a decade of deliberation and false starts. When the final scheme was approved and work began, it was supposed to be a mixed-use site with a new promenade along the river with a mix of shops and restaurants, residential in mid-rise apartments and new-build terraces at a range of prices, a new block of council offices and a disused Victorian corn mill on the site was going to be turned into part industrial history museum and part artist studio/gallery/performance venue/multi-use creative space. In its final form the museum and creative space is gone (the mill is going to be luxury flats), the mix of 'executive' to 'affordable' housing has been tipped much further towards the former than in the 'finalised' plan, the footprint has been altered so there is essentially no commercial space on the ground level and the apartment blocks have been expanded and the public promenade shrunk so it's now really just a breezy narrow catwalk that is accessed from the main road bridge over the river by a steel staircase that's so steep and industrial looking that is might as well be a fire escape, and leads from there to nowhere in particular past the offices of a couple of estate agents and legal firms plus a single coffee shop. So what would have been a genuine and fairly inclusive improvement of a huge piece of city-centre real estate is just a soulless collection of expensive apartments (within easy cycle/walking distance of the station with <50min train times to London) and a set of new council offices. No wonder so many people look and feel so loving miserable the whole time. They supposedly live in one of the most prosperous cities in England and yet they don't see any of it.
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Jan 30, 2020 16:06
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egg and chips for breakfast. pie and chips for lunch. what's for dinner, oh I'm feeling adventurous, pie and chips. go out on the piss, come back plastered, better get a kebab. extra chips
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Jan 30, 2020 16:11
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Saros posted:All the Jobschat makes me think there should be a UKMT jobs aggregator or something (maybe on the discord?) The company I work for hires regularly and is a decent place to work but there's not really anywhere to post stuff up around here and the thread moves fast enough stuff just falls off. Could use the OP, which doesn't have enough sections and which Guava doesn't spend enough time curating
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Jan 30, 2020 16:17
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That Italian Guy posted:With the backstop dead and the 31st of January almost here, what's the situation on the Irish border? AFAIK nothing substantive changes until the end of this year as we're now entering the "transition" period.
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Jan 30, 2020 16:22
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Red Oktober posted:A load of this stuff is just a wish-list 'have a punt' from HR. Oh absolutely, and HR being useless doesn’t surprise me at all. Once at a previous employer we were hiring for a forklift driver, and HR kept sending us applicants that couldn’t drive an FLT. Turned out they hadn’t actually put this in the job advert, and no one at HR thought to check when processing applications. Speaking of recruitment, is 2 pages maximum still the generally accepted size for a CV? Given how few of us only have one or two jobs in our lives I wonder if it’s a bit outdated.
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Jan 30, 2020 16:22
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That Italian Guy posted:With the backstop dead and the 31st of January almost here, what's the situation on the Irish border? Boris will continue to say 'the border is fine, no one will have to do any checks or any extra paperwork' upto the last second. Then he will get Raab to tell NI and Ireland that there will be checks and paperwork. THATS OUR BORIS!
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Jan 30, 2020 16:27
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BalloonFish posted:No wonder so many people look and feel so loving miserable the whole time. They supposedly live in one of the most prosperous cities in England and yet they don't see any of it. We're told we're making these ridiculous sums of money, but what do we have to show for it?
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Jan 30, 2020 16:28
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I'm always extremely happy and kind, in the abstract. I suppose earbuds help. I find people largely react to it positively, but then I feed on misery.
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Jan 30, 2020 16:30
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https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/1222864870695227398?s=19
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Jan 30, 2020 16:46
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Bobby Deluxe posted:I feel like in that sense Peterborough is the canary in the mine for the rest of the UK. Over the last few years the tories have been telling us over and over that we're world leaders in finance, the economy is strong, Britain is prosperous etc. But nobody at ground level is seeing it. The NHS is underfunded, homelessness is on the rise, record food bank usage, nobody can afford a house...
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Jan 30, 2020 16:49
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Saros posted:All the Jobschat makes me think there should be a UKMT jobs aggregator or something (maybe on the discord?) The company I work for hires regularly and is a decent place to work but there's not really anywhere to post stuff up around here and the thread moves fast enough stuff just falls off. I'd be interested in that, not least because I'm looking for a career change. Feel kind of wasted where I'm at.
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Jan 30, 2020 17:04
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Saros posted:All the Jobschat makes me think there should be a UKMT jobs aggregator or something (maybe on the discord?) The company I work for hires regularly and is a decent place to work but there's not really anywhere to post stuff up around here and the thread moves fast enough stuff just falls off. Renaissance Robot posted:I'd be interested in that, not least because I'm looking for a career change. Feel kind of wasted where I'm at. I should probably mention it's in central London but the pay floor is 30k + benefits, i.e. no job will pay less than that no matter what. Sciences/IP backgrounds are best for the technical side and if you speak French or German you are a shoe in for a bunch of customer facing roles (all the Europeans are leaving because of Brexit). I'd rather not post my company jobsite publicly but if you hit me up via PM or discord i'll send it your way.
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Jan 30, 2020 17:24
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Talking of jobs. Just be thankful you aren't this woman. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jan/30/woman-who-cruelly-tricked-best-friend-into-quitting-job-jailed
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Jan 30, 2020 17:31
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I'm getting some very weird vibes from this and from all other celebratory brexiteer shenanigans. There's this air of happy, slightly deranged desperation around every development, this strange eagerness to celebrate that feels performative, but in this really quietly odd way that I just can't put my finger on. Not just your usual "they lost their grift so now they're sad but pretend that they're happy" vibes, there's something dream-like, surreal, almost Lynchian about their actions. Like listening to the sound from an old, chewed-up, stretched tape but its actually people. Idk if anybody else gets the same vibes or if it's just me overthinking this lol.
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Jan 30, 2020 17:49
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To join the racist oval office club you have to wear trousers that are way too long for you. Sorry, I don't make the rules
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Jan 30, 2020 17:57
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nurmie posted:I'm getting some very weird vibes from this and from all other celebratory brexiteer shenanigans. There's this air of happy, slightly deranged desperation around every development, this strange eagerness to celebrate that feels performative, but in this really quietly odd way that I just can't put my finger on. Not just your usual "they lost their grift so now they're sad but pretend that they're happy" vibes, there's something dream-like, surreal, almost Lynchian about their actions. Like listening to the sound from an old, chewed-up, stretched tape but its actually people. Idk if anybody else gets the same vibes or if it's just me overthinking this lol. It's because they have no loving idea what to do next or what will happen next so they have to do everything about Brexit and keep making everything about it because once people start thinking about what comes next then they'll lose their edge, have to start rejustifying everything they're doing and why people should support them. It's a similar reason to why I wanted to keep drinking at 6am on the morning after the election but I got over it and starting trying to strategise. These lot don't quite seem ready for it.
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Jan 30, 2020 17:57
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nurmie posted:I'm getting some very weird vibes from this and from all other celebratory brexiteer shenanigans. There's this air of happy, slightly deranged desperation around every development, this strange eagerness to celebrate that feels performative, but in this really quietly odd way that I just can't put my finger on. Not just your usual "they lost their grift so now they're sad but pretend that they're happy" vibes, there's something dream-like, surreal, almost Lynchian about their actions. Like listening to the sound from an old, chewed-up, stretched tape but its actually people. Idk if anybody else gets the same vibes or if it's just me overthinking this lol. It really reminds me of that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperNormalisation adam curtis talks about on that chapo episode.
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Jan 30, 2020 18:01
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Jippa posted:It really reminds me of that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperNormalisation adam curtis talks about on that chapo episode. This is an interesting concept, and it feels like it could be broadened from the leadership class to a decent chunk of the electorate as well. It's full on sticking your head in the sand, essentially?
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Jan 30, 2020 18:04
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HyperGammonisation. You know the system is hosed, but due to all the lead in your brain you have to carry on being a Gammon.
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Jan 30, 2020 18:14
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Thing with sociological effects is once a certain critical mass of people has decided to do that then it begins to have effects on the society itself. If everyone got up one day and decided to learn Korean, we'd be a Korean speaking country. That's unlikely, but this mass change of umwelt from something like Brexit isn't.
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Jan 30, 2020 18:17
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namesake posted:It's because they have no loving idea what to do next or what will happen next so they have to do everything about Brexit and keep making everything about it because once people start thinking about what comes next then they'll lose their edge, have to start rejustifying everything they're doing and why people should support them. I reckon it's also partly because the 31st itself is a technicality - nothing's going to happen (unless the government suddenly goes full No Deal) so there's gonna be a lot of performative celebration, wagging fingers and going "the REMOANERS said the sky would fall but everything's fine!" and talking up the bright and golden future for britane It's something they want to do anyway, but it'll help cement The Event as cool and good and all the naysayers as wrong, done and dusted - so everything that comes after that isn't the consequences of Brexit itself, it's all angry saboteurs attacking and undermining the proven cool and good thing, just to punish plucky britain. They get to distance themselves from the aftermath - and that includes what happens to Northern Ireland over the next year
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Jan 30, 2020 18:51
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That Italian Guy posted:With the backstop dead and the 31st of January almost here, what's the situation on the Irish border? https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/loyalists-on-brexit-a-one-way-route-to-an-economic-united-ireland-1.4155385 I dunno much but it doesn't sound great
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Jan 30, 2020 18:51
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:Wayne Gilmour (25), a self-declared loyalist activist from a working-class background who was a regular demonstrator in the flags protests
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Jan 30, 2020 18:57
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HyperNormalisation seems super interesting It does feel like we've moved from manufacturing consent to full-blown manufacturing of reality
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Jan 30, 2020 18:57
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yeah well, that's a fairly condescending comment. not that it isn't apt. can you even be a loyalist after you've been betrayed? like, loyal to what?
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Jan 30, 2020 19:01
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let's see what else the Great British Press is talking about today (well, yesterday) boo hoo hoo for the poor middle class  ironicat the size of the universe dot jpg
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Jan 30, 2020 19:03
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:yeah well, that's a fairly condescending comment. not that it isn't apt. umm HER MAJ of course yr man seems more angry that an AGENT OF A FOREIGN STATE was sticking his oar in tbh
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Jan 30, 2020 19:05
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:can you even be a loyalist after you've been betrayed? like, loyal to what? KING BILLIE WOULD NEVER HAVE ALLOWED THIS TREASON
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Jan 30, 2020 19:05
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Julio Cruz posted:let's see what else the Great British Press is talking about today (well, yesterday) I can't make any sense of that unless students from "the wealthiest neighborhoods" are disproportionately middle class. i'm sure that's the case
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Jan 30, 2020 19:11
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/loyalists-on-brexit-a-one-way-route-to-an-economic-united-ireland-1.4155385 quote:Loyalists see the new border in symbolic terms as eroding their political identity as unionists and British subjects of the crown. quote:“This isn’t what I signed up for: to be told by the British government to just ‘suck it up, and too bad this is the way it is going to be’.” "I want to be treated like a subject." "Wait they're treating me like some kind of second-class citizen."
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Jan 30, 2020 19:13
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My CV just says "please kill me 2008-now"
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Jan 30, 2020 19:24
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BalloonFish posted:I've been thinking about writing a similar post for a while now, because it really is true. My inspiration was having to spend a weekend walking around my city (Peterborough - recently voted Worst Place To Live in Britain) This is all spot on, although I'd add that in addition to (or maybe the part of the cause) the population being grouchy and angry they are also generally intolerant bigots. Also yeah the new development is going to be soulless, much like Hampton.
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Jan 30, 2020 19:29
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Also wrong about everything, surveys say.Continuity RCP posted:My CV just says "please kill me 2008-now"
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Jan 30, 2020 19:31
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BalloonFish posted:I've been thinking about writing a similar post for a while now, because it really is true. So I've had trouble putting it into words as well as Dabir did but this is basically a large part of why I left. People are just fuuuuuucking miserable in the UK (as well as racist etc.). I've met so many people in Canada who are just, happy to be happy and it is a massive contrast to the UK. Lord Ludikrous posted:Speaking of recruitment, is 2 pages maximum still the generally accepted size for a CV? Given how few of us only have one or two jobs in our lives I wonder if it’s a bit outdated. Yeah I reckon so. Managed to get mine down to 1 page with the help of Parahexavoctal, the SA-Mart writing service guy (though I have no relevant formal education out of school so that was easy to cut). Took about 6 hours and he charged me like $250 but it was worth it, got 2 job offers from it. He does a lot of CVs and something that was eye-opening to me was that really you can cut out a LOT of stuff, make it a skills-focused CV and it will actually be better for it. If you're at a point where you're in your 30s or whatever you don't need lots of info about your degree, and you don't need to put your entire job history on there since leaving school. Just include the most recent one for sure, anything that is *particularly relevant/unique* about previous ones and that's it. Overall I can recommend the writing service guy, was a really good experience and I'm really happy with the outcome.
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Jan 30, 2020 19:34
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WhatEvil posted:So I've had trouble putting it into words as well as Dabir did but this is basically a large part of why I left. People are just fuuuuuucking miserable in the UK (as well as racist etc.). I've met so many people in Canada who are just, happy to be happy and it is a massive contrast to the UK. What I hate is doing applications on a form for local authorities that demand your complete job history. With a work history going back over 40 years, do they really want the 3 months I cleaned bogs in the local pub for 2 hours every morning because I had just moved continents, dad had just died, and I needed a reason to get out of bed in a morning? Last time I filled in one of those I didn't put all the 'inbetween' jobs down but just made a note that 'short term jobs in hospitality or retail sector have been omitted full list available if required'. Didn't get the job, no idea if it's because I missed out 'chambermaid on Saturdays from 1984-1988'.
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Jan 30, 2020 19:38
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:What I hate is doing applications on a form for local authorities that demand your complete job history. With a work history going back over 40 years, do they really want the 3 months I cleaned bogs in the local pub for 2 hours every morning because I had just moved continents, dad had just died, and I needed a reason to get out of bed in a morning? Uuuuuugh loving having to fill in forms is the worst in general. My wife went through it recently, she put her CV together, sent it in, then the next step in the application process is like "tell us all this stuff that's already on your CV" but then the way you have to enter it means you can't just copy/paste, you have to type out new stuff. Like, what's even the point of accepting a CV in the first place? E: Unrelated, feel I should share this with the thread: https://twitter.com/joshua_pieters/status/1222943917307572225?s=20 WhatEvil fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Jan 30, 2020 |
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Jan 30, 2020 19:41
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WhatEvil posted:Uuuuuugh loving having to fill in forms is the worst in general. My wife went through it recently, she put her CV together, sent it in, then the next step in the application process is like "tell us all this stuff that's already on your CV" but then the way you have to enter it means you can't just copy/paste, you have to type out new stuff.
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:I can't make any sense of that unless students from "the wealthiest neighborhoods" are disproportionately middle class. i'm sure that's the case Went to Eton - upper class From a wealthy neighbourhood but went to a different private school - middle class Everyone else - scum who would do nothing but reduce property values if they were allowed into Oxford
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