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My dad's got his defense mechanisms built already. They're beautifully galaxy brained. The EU wants us to fail so badly they'll start propagandizing every minor issue the UK faces, blowing it out of proportion or even lying to try and break our morale and hold the EU together. As a result Europeans will be whipped into a frenzy where they start discriminating against UK expats, but also stop using our business. Basically he's mentally prepared himself to defend against the absolute catastrophe this will be, and even has a "but whatabout..." stored ready if there's any increase in racial hatred here. E: cat 
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Got to go to a party tonight. Thankfully, not a 'WOO gently caress THE FORRINS' party, as most of my friends are too clever for that crap, but I have no doubt we will be ushered outside to watch fireworks or what have you. Going to get a taxi home though, to avoid exultant roaming gangs of racists and homophobes.
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Azza Bamboo posted:TODAY'S THE BIG DAY https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1223178962211418113?s=19
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If only we had brexited sooner this perfidious foreign virus wouldn’t have plagued our shores
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Jan 31, 2020 10:46
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Hey Miftan they found the solution to your trolley thing!
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Jan 31, 2020 10:50
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Coronavirus confirmed in the Uk and Brexit day all at once! My cup runneth over. Serious talk tho you don't need to worry about the Coronavirus just yet, I can do a more in depth effortpost thing if there is the desire but the UK has a robust infection control capability and its ready and prepared for an event like this.
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Jan 31, 2020 11:01
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Saros posted:Coronavirus confirmed in the Uk and Brexit day all at once! My cup runneth over. It's survived the last decade reasonably intact, then?
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Jan 31, 2020 11:02
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Gonna have to start washing my hands again.
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Jan 31, 2020 11:03
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Jan 31, 2020 11:07
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Guavanaut posted:Hey Miftan they found the solution to your trolley thing! This isn't news, everyone would go back in time to kill Hitler on the off chance that ww2 and the holocaust don't happen.
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Jan 31, 2020 11:08
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If WW2 and the Holocaust didn't happen, would we still have 1930s levels of human rights, racism, and antisemitism? Would the civil rights movement have ever happened without thousands of African American troops being sent overseas to fight fascism and racial supremacy and then returning home to segregated housing? Would Britain have built the NHS and nationalized the mines without the Cairo Forces Parliament? Besides, everyone knows that the best way to prevent Hitler and WW2 is to prevent WW1, but where would that leave us?
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Was a little confused this morning because I woke up half way through an interview on Today where Nick Robinson was going in two-footed on someone about the people being evacuated from China and quarantined in case they have coronavirus, seemingly furious both that they might be locked in and prevented from leaving the building they were going to be kept quarantined in but also at the fact that they might not be locked in and might infect people in the hospital next to the building, quoting Jeremy "rhyming slang" Hunt to support both viewpoints. Are there people actually expressing NIMBYism over which hospital to send people to?
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Guavanaut posted:If WW2 and the Holocaust didn't happen, would we still have 1930s levels of human rights, racism, and antisemitism? Would the civil rights movement have ever happened without thousands of African American troops being sent overseas to fight fascism and racial supremacy and then returning home to segregated housing? Would Britain have built the NHS and nationalized the mines without the Cairo Forces Parliament? I'm reminded of Amnesia: A Machine for Pigs, which presents the idea that the nineteenth century was sufficiently horrific that we needed the twentieth century to kill it off.
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Jan 31, 2020 11:25
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Id hate to be a GP in the UK right now with every hypochondriac who has seen a chinese person in the last 6 months charging towards the nearest surgery or even A&E
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Guavanaut posted:If WW2 and the Holocaust didn't happen, would we still have 1930s levels of human rights, racism, and antisemitism? Would the civil rights movement have ever happened without thousands of African American troops being sent overseas to fight fascism and racial supremacy and then returning home to segregated housing? Would Britain have built the NHS and nationalized the mines without the Cairo Forces Parliament? You're moving the discussion forward, but I can give you a ton of examples for ethics being about economies of scale. Anyway ethics are a category error and no true objective morality exists (and even if it does we can't perceive it) so 
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Guavanaut posted:If WW2 and the Holocaust didn't happen, would we still have 1930s levels of human rights, racism, and antisemitism? Yes, but nobody would care because we wouldn't have seen the endpoint of such thinking. There would also be a lot less Arabic terrorism because Israel wouldn't exist, and the Jewish Board of Deputies wouldn't be making GBS threads on everything because their power comes from using the Holocaust as a shield against all criticism.
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Darth Walrus posted:I'm reminded of Amnesia: A Machine for Pigs, which presents the idea that the nineteenth century was sufficiently horrific that we needed the twentieth century to kill it off. Everyone likes the easy morality of "I would use the magic machine to prevent the bad thing" but then that's entirely a reaction, and acts without knowing what would replace it. You stopped the Holocaust, but without changing the material conditions that led to it, now you've got Hitler 2, the guy that also hates Spaniards this time. That's an interesting point with the 19th century though. To prevent WW2 you need to prevent the mechanized horror of WW1, and to prevent that you need to prevent industrialization and colonialism. So what do you do? Go back in time and kill Michael Faraday and James Watt? (Also does this lead to the obvious paradox where time machines never get invented?) Miftan posted:You're moving the discussion forward, but I can give you a ton of examples for ethics being about economies of scale. Anyway ethics are a category error and no true objective morality exists (and even if it does we can't perceive it) so Jedit posted:Yes, but nobody would care because we wouldn't have seen the endpoint of such thinking. There would also be a lot less Arabic terrorism because Israel wouldn't exist, and the Jewish Board of Deputies wouldn't be making GBS threads on everything because their power comes from using the Holocaust as a shield against all criticism.
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Guavanaut posted:
Pretty sure you can already drink like a middle aged British man by virtue of being one.
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Ms Adequate posted:The difference between the UK and the US, in terms of just how people are, the atmosphere, the general attitude of people to each other, is drastic. Being in America is hardly some kind of panacaea for all my ills but it was certainly easier to face said ills over there, because folks are just... they're friendly, you know? One time I was in a Gamestop and mentioned something about City of Heroes and someone overheard and just started talking to me and we had a whole conversation about it? In the UK that kind of behavior gets you sectioned, lol. I think the theory of positive and negative politeness is kind of cool as a partial explanation for this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politeness_theory The theory is that in really densely populated countries like the UK and Japan where privacy and peace and quiet are at a premium the way to be polite to people is to leave them alone. Avoid eye contact, don't bother people, don't be loud, etc. In big countries like America where you're more likely to be stuck on your own staring across the vast empty plain there's much more of an impulse to be like "howdy neighbour!!!" when you finally see another human being. I mean I think British people are dour and downtrodden for all kinds of other depressing political reasons, but it's still an interesting theory. Jippa posted:https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jan/30/woman-who-cruelly-tricked-best-friend-into-quitting-job-jailed quote:“I do not have a clear understanding as to why you behaved in this way and for such a long period. You have no previous convictions. You are intelligent and have academic qualifications,” [the judge] said. how could someone with academic qualifications do this 
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Darth Walrus posted:It's survived the last decade reasonably intact, then? Short version yes, maintaining the capability to contain an outbreak is relatively cheap compared to most health operations as long as your public health system is fundamentally capable. It also helps that thanks to historical factors the UK has some of the best infectious disease institutions in the world. Longer version the cuts to the NHS combined with it being peak winter flu season mean that ability to treat a serious pandemic is seriously compromised due to a shortage of hospital space and staff but it has to break containment in the UK first.
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Miftan posted:Pretty sure you can already drink like a middle aged British man by virtue of being one. Can you drink like a thing if you are the thing? If someone says I'm like a shitposter that contradicts me being a shitposter.
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Coronavirus people are in Newcastle lol
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Guavanaut posted:A UK that never joined Europe, never needed immigration from the Commonwealth to rebuild, and you can casually make all the antisemitic jokes you want and nobody cares is what the Brexit Party voted for. No, the Brexit Party voted for the world where Hitler won World War 2 with the aid of Oswald Mosley.
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Can you drink like a thing if you are the thing? If someone says I'm like a shitposter that contradicts me being a shitposter. If like means being similar to, then all things are at least similar to themselves. Unless your definition of 'like' includes "but isn't a perfect replica" which is possible but unnecessary imo. It's not something I'd come to naturally, in any case.
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Jose posted:Coronavirus people are in Newcastle lol Can't wait for "Jose liveposting through a quarantine". Then after that you can get on with making the disasters you've missed happen. "Jose liveposting through a volcanic eruption"
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^^^that's every morning on the toilet after a night out for Jose.Saros posted:Short version yes, maintaining the capability to contain an outbreak is relatively cheap compared to most health operations as long as your public health system is fundamentally capable. It also helps that thanks to historical factors the UK has some of the best infectious disease institutions in the world. Good news is that flu peaked in November this season and we're in the downswing now so that focus can be used against coronavirus if needed.
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Miftan posted:Pretty sure you can already drink like a middle aged British man by virtue of being one. Diogenes is correct. The tourist vomits on the floor while shouting "speak english you cunts". Jedit posted:No, the Brexit Party voted for the world where Hitler won World War 2 with the aid of Oswald Mosley.
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Guavanaut posted:Mosley was a pan-Europeanist though. They're more on the side of pants-pissing Enoch Powell. Their objection to Europe isn't that it exists, it's that we don't rule it. They'd be right down with a European Union if all the decisions were made in London by English people.
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Trickjaw posted:Going to get a taxi home though, to avoid exultant roaming gangs of racists and homophobes. Oh, I hadn't thought of that. Maybe I'll stay in tonight then  E: Chuff McNothing posted:Last day of meat today, vegetarian from tomorrow. Awesome! Welcome to the meat free gang 
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Today I have been mostly gammon spotting. https://goo.gl/maps/VacNJs6Cb7t3Qd949
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So the two nCoV patients are apparently family members that were staying at the Staycity hotel in central Yorkshire. Contact tracing is ongoing and the indications are they caught it early enough to contain all contacts before they become infectious.
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Guavanaut posted:I don't believe in the whig historiography of perpetual progress, but most historical progress seems to come in the pseudo-Hegelian form of "humanity does some awful poo poo, then people look at it and say, that poo poo was awful". Yeah, A Machine for Pigs has an interesting take on this (if melodramatic Gothic horror is your jam). It operates on the philosophy of 'fascism is the death-scream of wounded privilege', and is based around a wealthy Victorian industrialist getting a precognitive vision of the world wars which he reacts to very, very poorly.
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Guavanaut posted:The UK is going to be a housing design innovator post-Brexit. Have we tried just not confiscating their tents?
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Darth Walrus posted:I'm reminded of Amnesia: A Machine for Pigs, which presents the idea that the nineteenth century was sufficiently horrific that we needed the twentieth century to kill it off. I have stood knee deep in mud and bone, and filled my lungs with mustard gas. I have seen two brothers fall. I have lain with holy wars and copulated with the autumnal fallout. I have dug trenches for the refugees. I have murdered dissidents where the ground never thaws, and starved the masses into faith. A child's shadow burnt into the brickwork. A house of skulls in the jungle. The innocent! The innocent, Mandus! Trod and bled and gassed and starved and beaten and murdered and enslaved! This is your coming century! They will eat them, Mandus! They will make pigs of you all, and they will bury their snouts into your ribs, and they will eat your hearts!
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fuf posted:I think the theory of positive and negative politeness is kind of cool as a partial explanation for this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politeness_theory Yes, having lived in big cities, I can believe that. I know on the tube where you're crammed in like sardines, the only way you can get your vital 'personal space' which is being heavily incursioned into by the press of bodies is by staring at your book/phone or gazing up at the roof of the carriage. I was always grateful of being tall so at least I had empty space above me instead of an armpit. quote:In big countries like America where you're more likely to be stuck on your own staring across the vast empty plain there's much more of an impulse to be like "howdy neighbour!!!" when you finally see another human being. Living abroad, I did notice that for those of us British persons NOT living in the expat ghettos (which seemed to revolve entirely around Brit Clubs and discussions of how drunk you could get on cheap alcohol), any Brit spotting another Brit would be like a frightened rabbit and other than a brief acknowledging head nod would scarper quickly. Locals were always saying stuff like 'oh Jane Doe is British, I'm sure you'll really like each other' and trying to force friendships based on shared nationality. They couldn't understand why all British people didn't love and want to socialize with all other British people. Americans on the other hand - I had this friend who if she heard an American accent anywhere within 100m would charge over to them, pin them to the ground almost and bend their ears forever with an extensive inquisition about who she was, where she was from, where were they from etc etc. Some of the other Americans weren't quite so bad, but they were mostly very nosy.
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forkboy84 posted:Can't wait for "Jose liveposting through a quarantine". An answer to the age old question: How many events can happen while Jose posts goatse?
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Guavanaut posted:A UK that never joined Europe, never needed immigration from the Commonwealth to rebuild, and you can casually make all the antisemitic jokes you want and nobody cares is what the Brexit Party voted for. Isn't this also true for other countries with strong populist nationalistic movements? The continuous denial of complex social realities leading to dreaming to return to a past age when society was culturally and ethnically homogenous?
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Jedit posted:No, the Brexit Party voted for the world where Hitler won World War 2 with the aid of Oswald Mosley. At least I can proudly say that one of my nans broke off a 4 year engagement to a guy who joined the Black Shirts. (Though she quite literally believed the propaganda that Germans had Square Heads. She came to visit us when we lived in Germany, she'd arrived in the night, and when she looked out of the window next morning was "oh they look just like us"!)
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