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Another big thing is that the Left and liberals aren't really aligned in America. The Right is wiling to lockstep lie and cheat and manipulate and do whatever to win, while everyone else that cares is either just ducking and surviving or are fighting between taking the "high road" and decorum and not stooping to their level or not. Even as an example, the old SA would raid Stormfront or DDOS (stuff that's obviously banned now for reasons) or come up with tactics to make smaller extreme right movements die, while you don't see much of anything now that it skews older and there is less old west and there are more consequences and stuff.
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The founding American protest was a hissy fit about taxes and throwing some tea into a harbor. That should tell you something. American protests are all really small and don't last. This isn't France.
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Feb 1, 2020 02:04
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If I was a peasant I would simply think up a novel way to dethrone the king and institute a democracy of the peasants, non-violently.
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Occupations of public land along with regular events that raise awareness of the issues and lay the groundwork for a general strike would be my two cents.
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Feb 1, 2020 02:18
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America has never not sucked total poo poo for like 80% of its population but like honestly the nation won’t survive this poo poo long term. Even scumbag shithead presidents were held somewhat in check and expected to comply with oversight. Now that the pretense of checks and balances is completely gone.....uhhh, we are kinda hosed huh?
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Feb 1, 2020 02:20
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LeeMajors posted:America has never not sucked total poo poo for like 80% of its population but like honestly the nation won’t survive this poo poo long term. In theory potentially, in practice.. as a friend says it's more than likely going to depend on your military.
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Feb 1, 2020 02:26
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LeeMajors posted:America has never not sucked total poo poo for like 80% of its population but like honestly the nation won’t survive this poo poo long term. feels like it. I think the effects will only really be seen (i hope) years from now when the climate crisis is killing us all when a lovely president crosses the Rubicon on us
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Feb 1, 2020 02:27
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Monowhatever posted:feels like it. I think the effects will only really be seen (i hope) years from now when the climate crisis is killing us all when a lovely president crosses the Rubicon on us Yeah I think it's going to take a while for people to actually start revolting, but I don't understand how the genie can be put back into the bottle. The President can do whatever he wants, and that's very bad for everyone. I think there's an even better chance he "wins" the election now, through even more blatant cheating and rat loving.
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Feb 1, 2020 02:29
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Silly Burrito posted:Aw ftfy
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Awkward Davies posted:Yeah I think it's going to take a while for people to actually start revolting, but I don't understand how the genie can be put back into the bottle. The President can do whatever he wants, and that's very bad for everyone. I think there's an even better chance he "wins" the election now, through even more blatant cheating and rat loving. Trump loses the next election and Democrats jam legislation that essentially childproofs the office of the president.
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Feb 1, 2020 02:34
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Retro42 posted:What are the odds McConnell is delaying the vote until after the SOTU to prevent Trump from going full evil villain monologue during it? The SOTU is going to be a shitshow regardless. Better get impeached wrapped up before Trump incriminates himself further.
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Feb 1, 2020 02:44
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Scooter_McCabe posted:Trump loses the next election and Democrats jam legislation that essentially childproofs the office of the president. You think Trump will accept the results of an election where he loses?
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Feb 1, 2020 02:45
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Awkward Davies posted:Yeah I think it's going to take a while for people to actually start revolting, but I don't understand how the genie can be put back into the bottle. The President can do whatever he wants, and that's very bad for everyone. I think there's an even better chance he "wins" the election now, through even more blatant cheating and rat loving. I still think he will probably lose. All the gop has done is tie a knot around themselves and trump. Blue wave and Bernie.
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Feb 1, 2020 02:46
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Solar Coaster posted:You think Trump will accept the results of an election where he loses? Yes.
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Solar Coaster posted:You think Trump will accept the results of an election where he loses? He won't accept it but he'll be forced to leave regardless
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Awkward Davies posted:Yeah I think it's going to take a while for people to actually start revolting, but I don't understand how the genie can be put back into the bottle. The President can do whatever he wants, and that's very bad for everyone. I think there's an even better chance he "wins" the election now, through even more blatant cheating and rat loving. I still think he will probably lose. All the gop has done is tie a knot around themselves and trump. Blue wave and Bernie.
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Feb 1, 2020 02:53
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Peacoffee posted:Occupations of public land along with regular events that raise awareness of the issues and lay the groundwork for a general strike would be my two cents. The famously successful Occupy strategy.
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Feb 1, 2020 03:00
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What a shitshow circus. As if it'd end any other way. Time to see how Britain's doin.
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In these times of increasingly oppressive awfulness and stupidity, I console myself with the knowledge that I, too, am a lovely loving idiot and am doing nothing to stop or even slow humankind's collective descent into self-induced annihilation. Here, enjoy this recently published editorial by James Comey: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...6617_story.html
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Feb 1, 2020 03:21
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Foul Ole Ron posted:Then do... Something new? Shutting down airports is a good half-measure before shutting down rail. A week after we shut down rail, we're all hungry. But this tactic, employed popularly, does change the course.
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Feb 1, 2020 03:22
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Scooter_McCabe posted:Trump loses the next election and Democrats jam legislation that essentially childproofs the office of the president. God I hope you’re correct, but I’m getting a bad feeling about the next election. Part of me thinks the GOP has been preparing a massive suppress-and-cheat strategy that will end up working fantastically in their favor.
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Feb 1, 2020 03:23
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Crumbskull posted:The famously successful Occupy strategy. It is a pity that nothing ever came of that 99% vs 1% discourse, especially in electoral politics.
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Feb 1, 2020 03:37
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HD DAD posted:God I hope you’re correct, but I’m getting a bad feeling about the next election. Part of me thinks the GOP has been preparing a massive suppress-and-cheat strategy that will end up working fantastically in their favor. Why wouldn't they? Hillary Rodham loving Clinton, an incredibly unpopular rear end in a top hat who was also unfairly the target of a vicious 25yr smear campaign, beat Trump by 3M votes and still lost the office. We are gently caress-gently caress-fuckity hosed.
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Feb 1, 2020 03:47
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LeeMajors posted:Why wouldn't they? Then maybe get bloomberg to put his money into supporting candidates in the swing states. Flood him with that instead of bemoaning the situation. You have to understand popular vote means jack and poo poo until we can get rid of the electoral college.
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Feb 1, 2020 03:56
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HD DAD posted:God I hope you’re correct, but I’m getting a bad feeling about the next election. Part of me thinks the GOP has been preparing a massive suppress-and-cheat strategy that will end up working fantastically in their favor. Their supress and cheat strategy is hampered by all the governorships they've lost. They have none of the Great Lakes except Ohio, and lost Virginia completely.
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Feb 1, 2020 04:30
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Xombie posted:Their supress and cheat strategy is hampered by all the governorships they've lost. They have none of the Great Lakes except Ohio, and lost Virginia completely. Their purple states are trending blue, and some states that were purple are solid bue now. CO and VA in particular. On the other hand Florida and Ohio are lost.
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Feb 1, 2020 04:31
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I do have to hope Indiana swings blue again. We did it once for Obama, we can do it again. And it would be absolutely glorious to spite Pence and Braun because gently caress them.
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Feb 1, 2020 04:33
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Their purple states are trending blue, and some states that were purple are solid bue now. CO and VA in particular. On the other hand Florida and Ohio are lost. Ohio is going to be subject to the same demographic shift as VA and NC. The cities are attracting young people while the rural areas are dying off. Ohio just doesn't have the favorable weather to have it happen as soon. Florida though, they get everyone else's old people.
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Flopsy posted:Then maybe get bloomberg to put his money into supporting candidates in the swing states. Flood him with that instead of bemoaning the situation. You have to understand popular vote means jack and poo poo until we can get rid of the electoral college. I....do understand that. Not sure what your point is. I'll be sure to hit Mike up on his personal cell and tell him to fix the plumbing in Flint with his pocket change and then fund all the downballot races.
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People keep talking about voter suppression but I think you should all be ready for some straight up intimidation and vote tampering. The GOP is obviously desperate and there were so many sketchy instances the last two elections of poo poo like election machines not working properly, the mysterious server wipe in Georgia, questionable handling and counting of provisional ballots, and so on. Like I get people want to think, "They surely can't get away with this forever!" and "The rules will stop them" and "They don't have the numbers" etc and there is some truth to all that but they just successfully argued that basically any rule other than Republican is illegitimate, and political office in this country is all about who can lie and cheat it out better. I'm not telling people to back down but instead to be ready because this was an obvious green light to the Right as a whole, and if they're smart they'll make bolder moves to further undermine democracy and stay in power.
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Feb 1, 2020 04:51
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Scooter_McCabe posted:Trump loses the next election and Democrats jam legislation that essentially childproofs the office of the president. As if Trump would lose in November. He is polling better now than he ever did in 2016. If anything, he probably extends his electoral vote lead by flipping Minnesota (came really close to doing so last time).
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If you want to know what happens next, look at how it happened in Turkey. You still have time, ring your democrats, warm people. Start now or face hell.
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Foul Ole Ron posted:If you want to know what happens next, look at how it happened in Turkey. What happens next is that we debase ourselves and face to bernie
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Feb 1, 2020 05:03
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Foul Ole Ron posted:If you want to know what happens next, look at how it happened in Turkey. But you're definitely not endorsing violence, in any way.
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Mystic Mongol posted:But you're definitely not endorsing violence, in any way. I am not even American and I almost want to.
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Feb 1, 2020 05:13
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Mystic Mongol posted:But you're definitely not endorsing violence, in any way. Is daydreaming about it ok? Because holy poo poo do I daydream about horrific violence against rich people, all day, every day, constantly, unendingly. I pray to gods I don't believe in that great suffering befalls them, just in case.
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empty whippet box posted:Is daydreaming about it ok? Because holy poo poo do I daydream about horrific violence against rich people, all day, every day, constantly, unendingly. I pray to gods I don't believe in that great suffering befalls them, just in case. Eat the rich, not even metaphorically. Cook them and consume their flesh and leave the bones for their pets, who are still good and innocent beings. 
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Framboise posted:Eat the rich, not even metaphorically. Cook them and consume their flesh and leave the bones for their pets, who are still good and innocent beings. The ethical consumption of capitalists
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Foul Ole Ron posted:If you want to know what happens next, look at how it happened in Turkey. Looking at Hungary would be a lot more instructive.
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