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Gamerofthegame posted:protests will never happen or be meaningful because the US is too drat big and the Government is too drat far away and out of sight for most people Most households are dual-income out of necessity. Many people work two or even three jobs to make ends meet. Losing hours or their job altogether is not an option for most people. Excepting this, nearly everyone's healthcare is tied to their jobs. How else are they going to continue to pay interest-only amounts on their student loans which are not expunged in bankruptcy? Or rapidly rising rents? Or scraping to save enough money for their medications? American Capital has done an incredible job building recursive, punitive, feedback loops to discourage labor from rising up and chopping off all their loving heads.
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LeeMajors posted:Why wouldn't they? This is because Hillary loving Clinton was legendarily incompetent and spent her time and effort campaigning in states that didn't matter (or having dinner with donors instead of addressing voters) while ignoring, and in some cases actively denying aid, to states that did. The popular vote is meaningless trash for morons. The rules of the game were laid out centuries ago, Clinton just inexplicably decided to ignore them in favor of, uh, losing I guess. It really cannot be overstated how loving dumb the Clinton campaign was. Its not like 2000, Trump didn't steal the election. Clinton just decided to play a game of five dimensional backgammon on a checkers board and was surprised when her opponent jumped all her pieces.
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Nix Panicus posted:This is because Hillary loving Clinton was legendarily incompetent and spent her time and effort campaigning in states that didn't matter (or having dinner with donors instead of addressing voters) while ignoring, and in some cases actively denying aid, to states that did. The popular vote is meaningless trash for morons. The rules of the game were laid out centuries ago, Clinton just inexplicably decided to ignore them in favor of, uh, losing I guess. I am hoping the GOP's brain-decayingly intense hubris will bring them as much of a failure in 2020 as the dems' hubris brought in 2016. I want this November to be the guillotine that kills the GOP. I want them to drown in the bluest wave. We're less than a year away from becoming an undeniable monarchy, an unbreakable dictatorship. That cannot be allowed to happen.
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Framboise posted:I am hoping the GOP's brain-decayingly intense hubris will bring them as much of a failure in 2020 as the dems' hubris brought in 2016. I want this November to be the guillotine that kills the GOP. I want them to drown in the bluest wave. I want the electoral college dead. I'm sick of poo poo kickers being given double the value than the rest of us.
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Framboise posted:I am hoping the GOP's brain-decayingly intense hubris will bring them as much of a failure in 2020 as the dems' hubris brought in 2016. I want this November to be the guillotine that kills the GOP. I want them to drown in the bluest wave. Never count on the American Voter to do anything about it. Assume that they will sadbrain or snooze button or third party their way to oblivion until they prove otherwise. A hundred 2018s are going to be needed to wash away the stain of one single 2016, and if there's one thing voters really love doing it's giving Republicans One More Chance.
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nine-gear crow posted:Never count on the American Voter to do anything about it. Assume that they will sadbrain or snooze button or third party their way to oblivion until they prove otherwise. A hundred 2018s are going to be needed to wash away the stain of one single 2016, and if there's one thing voters really love doing it's giving Republicans One More Chance. This is why I'm hoping the soundbites this trial has provided will be used liberally during campaign commercials. There's nothing about Dershowitz's argument that isn't loving terrifying. And terror gets asses to the voting booth. If the sadbrains need to be flogged then get it done. But bear in mind the real prize here is the senate. 4 more years of trump is a horror, but it's worthless if he doesn't have the houses. Flopsy fucked around with this message at 07:24 on Feb 1, 2020 |
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abigserve posted:all the democrats have to do is use their own tactics against them and run the worlds easiest smear campaign. Three presidents, ever, have been impeached - you're gonna vote for this guy? Trump is a goldmine of smears. At least Project Lincoln is taking care of that partly. But whoever is frontrunner needs to push that angle HARD
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Nix Panicus posted:This is because Hillary loving Clinton was legendarily incompetent and spent her time and effort campaigning in states that didn't matter (or having dinner with donors instead of addressing voters) while ignoring, and in some cases actively denying aid, to states that did. The popular vote is meaningless trash for morons. The rules of the game were laid out centuries ago, Clinton just inexplicably decided to ignore them in favor of, uh, losing I guess. Pretty much this. Her campaign was basically nothing but people that thought they were inevitable. Michigan and Wisconsin teams were desperate for help for months leading up to the election screaming about the situation on the ground there and the campaign ignored them. Now granted the Trump campaign would not have known to target the places they did had they not had help from Russia so there is that to consider. You can make a valid argument that had the Trump campaign had not received assistance from Russia they would not have had the knowledge to target and campaign in those states/areas. Without that help they likely would not have been able to squeak out the wins in those states and likely Pennsylvania as well. In 2020 we know that the GOP is going to cheat and have Russia assist. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if you don't see other foreign players play blocker for some of these acts. It isn't a secret that much of the world utterly hates Trump and the instability that his Presidency along with the GOP is causing issues on the world stage. You could easily see many outside actors either counteract or block the bad actors. Countries like Iran which has a massive cyberwarfare apparatus would likely have it in their best interest to remove Trump. The idiots in the GOP blocked any work to stop any of this which know the cat is out of the bag and they made it ok to do it will come back to bite them. It again shows the short sightedness of the GOP. It is all about short term gains and holding on for another breath. I have no idea what they are going to do in the next several years when much of their current members are either dead or retired. They have no farm system and they haven't been able to get any young blood into the party. Most people under 30 loath the GOP. Their numbers in those demos aren't even great in deep red states. I think the approval numbers are only positive in like Kentucky, Oklahoma, Louisiana, West Virginia, Wyoming and South Dakota and then by the slimmest of margins. It's not just enough to have young supporters but you need to have young people who are willing to go into public service for them. You will have a double problem of the actions of much of the youth on the right's behavior during this time period as it will come back to bite them. Today is a very dark day. Tomorrow and the next several will be dark as well. But we all must hold one another's hand and lead not only ourselves but pull the others that may not be strong enough on their own out of the darkness as well. For we can not allow ourselves to be beaten and divided. The warmth of the light is ours for the taking if we can work to get it.
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Nix Panicus posted:This is because Hillary loving Clinton was legendarily incompetent and spent her time and effort campaigning in states that didn't matter (or having dinner with donors instead of addressing voters) while ignoring, and in some cases actively denying aid, to states that did. The popular vote is meaningless trash for morons. The rules of the game were laid out centuries ago, Clinton just inexplicably decided to ignore them in favor of, uh, losing I guess. This is pretty bang on. Not even Biden has a quarter of the negative baggage that HillDawg brought to the table, it took twenty years for her to do that. Whoever gets the nomination isnt gonna galvanize the Democratic party while energizing the Republicans like Hillary did, it really was the perfect storm of elements that got us into this mess in the first place. The Glumslinger posted:The women's March was the largest protest in US history, it's probably need to be maybe 5x larger to make the government actually change anything It was the largest protest on the face of the planet and it still didn't do much beyond getting the GOP to write articles saying 'why didnt these people vote?!?', protests are largely symbolic gestures White Light fucked around with this message at 07:34 on Feb 1, 2020 |
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Framboise posted:I am hoping the GOP's brain-decayingly intense hubris will bring them as much of a failure in 2020 as the dems' hubris brought in 2016. I want this November to be the guillotine that kills the GOP. I want them to drown in the bluest wave. The GOP isnt going away, at least not without a decade or more of sustained structural change that improves the lives of common people such that their lives don't suck enough to be vulnerable to the GOP's brand of demagoguery. The issue is the GOP has a compelling, if horrifying and wrong, explanation for why average Americans are being poo poo on constantly. The Democrats have no response and no competing vision, which is why the Democratic Party has lost power at every level of government. Honestly the Democrats are closer to extinction than the GOP; the 'blue wave' was the best the Dems could muster in response to the audacity of Trump and it was a wet fart. The Democratic 'vision' of a return to 'normalcy' doesn't inspire anyone. The third way has failed, the end of history was a lie, centrism is intellectually bankrupt. Its looking a lot like socialism or barbarism
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Nix Panicus posted:The GOP isnt going away, at least not without a decade or more of sustained structural change that improves the lives of common people such that their lives don't suck enough to be vulnerable to the GOP's brand of demagoguery. The issue is the GOP has a compelling, if horrifying and wrong, explanation for why average Americans are being poo poo on constantly. The Democrats have no response and no competing vision, which is why the Democratic Party has lost power at every level of government. Honestly the Democrats are closer to extinction than the GOP; the 'blue wave' was the best the Dems could muster in response to the audacity of Trump and it was a wet fart. The Democratic 'vision' of a return to 'normalcy' doesn't inspire anyone. The third way has failed, the end of history was a lie, centrism is intellectually bankrupt. If we didn't win the house we would be utterly and completely done. And from the way you're talking you sound like you're not going to vote if it's not who you want. DON'T. DO. THIS. Flopsy fucked around with this message at 07:38 on Feb 1, 2020 |
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I ultimately consider myself an independent with the hopeless pipe dream that one day we can actually act in bipartisanship and compromise so a healthy balance can be established that keeps good will among people and discourages radicalization (and thus would take a hardline moral stance against the pure bigoted fascism that the GOP stands for) because I'm a stupid pacifist who hates conflict. But even then, every fiber of my being is opposed to the way the right wing behaves and thinks and I want to see every one of those cowards' heads on pikes where they belong. And anyone on the left who doesn't get the gently caress out and vote because they're not getting who they wanted is a loving coward too. I didn't like Clinton and thought she was one of the least appealing Dems to go for but I still went out and threw my hopeless blue vote into a red sea for her. It's not going to get any better if people just lay down and pout.
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Flopsy posted:If we didn't win the house we would be utterly and completely done. And from the way you're talking you sound like you're not going to vote if it's not who you want. DON'T. DO. THIS. I'm forever reminded of that town hall Chris Hayes did that basically went Hayes: Republicans poisoned your city with lead and they're all up for re-election this year. Do you want them to get back in to power? Voter: Nah. Hayes: You gonna do anything to stop them? Voter: Nah. Hayes: 
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Flopsy posted:If we didn't win the house we would be utterly and completely done. And from the way you're talking you sound like you're not going to vote if it's not who you want. DON'T. DO. THIS. Im personally holding your vote hostage. Bernie bros cannot be reasoned with. Anyways, just lol that anybody thought impeachment would amount to anything in the face of Trump. I bet someday we find out about a backroom deal where the Republicans were willing to call witnesses if they could get a Biden on the stand, and the Democrats refused because the whole impeachment was really about protecting their own
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Framboise posted:I ultimately consider myself an independent with the hopeless pipe dream that one day we can actually act in bipartisanship and compromise so a healthy balance can be established that keeps good will among people and discourages radicalization (and thus would take a hardline moral stance against the pure bigoted fascism that the GOP stands for) because I'm a stupid pacifist who hates conflict. This exactly.
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Framboise posted:I ultimately consider myself an independent with the hopeless pipe dream that one day we can actually act in bipartisanship and compromise so a healthy balance can be established that keeps good will among people and discourages radicalization (and thus would take a hardline moral stance against the pure bigoted fascism that the GOP stands for) because I'm a stupid pacifist who hates conflict. Bipartisanship is an easy way to identify idiots. The right wing has never been a useful force for good, and they should never be listened to or allowed near the reigns of power. Radicalization is the only thing that is going to save this poor doomed planet because climate change is going to fundamentally reshape the world to where our society cannot exist if we don't undertake massive change *yesterday*. Not to mention the rising tide of fascism that is a *direct* result of bipartisan failure to address the serious systemic issues of society. Also, if you live on planet earth in the year 2020 and aren't already radicalized by the crushing poverty and misery surrounding you then perhaps you should take a look around. The Democrats have proven, rather conclusively, that they are absolutely not equipped to handle the rise of the fascism that they have been complicit in fostering. This whole impeachment farce is just another example of how fundamentally broken the system is and how useless the Democrats are
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Nix Panicus posted:Bipartisanship is an easy way to identify idiots. The right wing has never been a useful force for good, and they should never be listened to or allowed near the reigns of power. Radicalization is the only thing that is going to save this poor doomed planet because climate change is going to fundamentally reshape the world to where our society cannot exist if we don't undertake massive change *yesterday*. Not to mention the rising tide of fascism that is a *direct* result of bipartisan failure to address the serious systemic issues of society. Try reading what I said again. I said I wish we COULD have peace and bipartisanship. It's obviously an impossibility and that fact sickens me. I then literally said I wanted the GOP's heads on pikes and that democrats who are too loving wishy-washy to vote when they don't get the candidate they want are cowards. I'm loving angry and even more so that I have to relinquish my desire to stay peaceful because radicalization is the only option. I don't want to be but I'm doing what I have to.
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Framboise posted:Try reading what I said again. I said I wish we COULD have peace and bipartisanship. It's obviously an impossibility and that fact sickens me. I then literally said I wanted the GOP's heads on pikes and that democrats who are too loving wishy-washy to vote when they don't get the candidate they want are cowards. Wanting bipartisanship is also an identifier of an idiot. The right will never have anything useful to say about anything. Your willingness to lick the boots of the right so long as theyre painted blue is a derail from how dumb this whole impeachment process is though
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Nix Panicus posted:Wanting bipartisanship is also an identifier of an idiot. The right will never have anything useful to say about anything. The right does not compromise, if there's anything everyone should've learned from this impeachment is that the right will not give a loving inch even if it's obvious they're criminals. Any attempt at "bipartisanship" is just giving in to criminals.
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For the 3.6 times in voting power I have in Wyoming compared to a Californian, I wish it actually mattered when I vote against Mike Enzi's successor, Liz Cheney, and Trump.
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Nix Panicus posted:Wanting bipartisanship is also an identifier of an idiot. The right will never have anything useful to say about anything. Please stop that. Deliberately and willfully misinterpreting and twisting what someone says to make your punchy little vindications makes you sound a lot like those GOP senators, hth. Maybe try stepping back and actually thinking before putting words in my mouth. Let me spell it out: Saying I wish there was a path to peace because I dislike conflict is exactly that-- a wish. It is completely and entirely divorced from reality and not representative of my stance in reality, which is very clearly "these republicans are loving criminals who just demolished the Constitution to save their god-king and their jobs and they deserve the harshest punishment possible and any democrat who does not go out and try to bring them down is a loving coward". And I'll even add to it. Every republican who has cast or will cast a vote for people who are actively or passively destroying the government and society as a whole is complicit in its destruction. Every last one of them. Because if there's anyone I despise more than Trump or these senators are the complete loving idiots who allowed them rise to power in the first place. Cheered them on along the way. Smugly grinned every time the administration destroyed a policy or overturned a law. gently caress them, every single one. There is no need to lash out at me for having a sad, empty wish that things could someday be better and that bad people could at least try to suck less even actively try to make the world a better place when I'm obviously aware they are incapable of that and unwilling to do so-- and I am obviously on the side of tearing said bad people limb from limb for that. I don't know if your intent in twisting what I said was to rile me up or if you genuinely misunderstood, and I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt, but I'm not interested in discussing this further with you if you are going to accuse me of being something I'm not or doing something that I'm not. RandomBlue posted:The right does not compromise, if there's anything everyone should've learned from this impeachment is that the right will not give a loving inch even if it's obvious they're criminals. Any attempt at "bipartisanship" is just giving in to criminals. In case this is also pointed at me: I understand and I agree with you-- and said that compromise is not possible. "But even then, every fiber of my being is opposed to the way the right wing behaves and thinks and I want to see every one of those cowards' heads on pikes where they belong." I don't know how much more clear I can be that just because hoping there will someday be a more peaceful time in this country does not mean I am not aware that it never can and never will happen. Things are only ever going to get worse and tension is only ever going to rise. Blood is going to be shed over this if it goes any further. People are going to loving die for it. It might not happen this election cycle, but if this keeps happening it's going to be another civil war. And as it stands right now, the left is going to lose that war, and lose badly-- not unless they loving get up and make their voices heard and just loving vote for god's sake. If you are not terrified of the future right now, you should be, and you should do anything-- even the bare minimum-- about it. Apathy is an enemy from within. I'm well aware that the right does not compromise and that there is no moral way to compromise with them. Life would be a whole lot easier if either of these were true or possible, and if they were we would not be where we are right now. But we are where we are right now, toes curled around the edge of a crumbling cliff into a dictatorship, and the right just detonated some dynamite right beneath it. They voted to not only deny further evidence to reveal an already obvious truth, but keep it from US citizens to hear. And then, after their votes to save face and their poor ragey president, they straight up come forward, say they know he did it, they know it was wrong, they know it was impeachable, but that they didn't want to do it. gently caress every last one of them. I want this to be their legacy, and the loving death warrant for their careers, reputations, and credibility in the world. The ballot is the gun and the GOP senators just gave US citizens a mountain of ammunition with their names on it. I apologize for getting so heated about this but being accused of being anywhere remotely near the GOP's side even when I said quite precisely that I was not is nauseating. I am perpetually depressed that the notion of a more peaceful-- hell, even a more respectable time where the hateful are quashed and scorned instead of being given power is an impossibility. I wish it was not. I guess that desire is just a halfhearted attempt to keep the last few drops of my evaporated morale intact. I knew, know, and continue to know the truth and reality of the matter though. poo poo sucks, I'm sad, but gotta hold on to hope somehow. Star Man posted:For the 3.6 times in voting power I have in Wyoming compared to a Californian, I wish it actually mattered when I vote against Mike Enzi's successor, Liz Cheney, and Trump. We still have to stay in the mindset that every vote matters-- even the blue drops in red oceans. Apathy is a terrible but preventable weakness. Encourage those you can to get out there and do the right thing. To pull this back to topic, though: where does this all go from here? This will all be over next Wednesday and there's not an inkling of a chance that the GOP senators will grow a sputtering shriveled fetus of a conscience and vote to remove. Do the Democrats push for another trial? Encourage the witnesses to come forward outside of a trial and say what they know somehow, for the sake of damning as many Republicans as possible in the upcoming election? Because honestly, the gloves are off and all pretense is gone-- the GOP have made it clear that deliberately sabotaging opponents and performing illegal actions to benefit their chances of winning elections is absolutely cool and good (just so long as it isn't 100% personally motivated, god forbid!). Trump did it, they said he did it, they said it was wrong, they said it was impeachable, and they said they don't give a flying gently caress. 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Strange Poon posted:People keep talking about voter suppression but I think you should all be ready for some straight up intimidation and vote tampering. The GOP is obviously desperate and there were so many sketchy instances the last two elections of poo poo like election machines not working properly, the mysterious server wipe in Georgia, questionable handling and counting of provisional ballots, and so on. Like I get people want to think, "They surely can't get away with this forever!" and "The rules will stop them" and "They don't have the numbers" etc and there is some truth to all that but they just successfully argued that basically any rule other than Republican is illegitimate, and political office in this country is all about who can lie and cheat it out better. I know this is from a few pages back but I think a way to help counteract this is to setup a much better exit poll strategy. If Bloomberg wanted to actually be more useful than being a robot eating Ice cream then he could start a company that does this.
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Framboise posted:Eat the rich, not even metaphorically. Cook them and consume their flesh and leave the bones for their pets, who are still good and innocent beings. I dunno. I used to be an errand boy as my second job for a person that owned a bunch of restaurants in Syracuse. He had a parrot and that bird was such an rear end in a top hat. He always wanted to "hang out" and by that I mean climb on me, bite me, and squawk in my ear. He also always made a huge mess, which I didn't really mind as he is an animal, but the rest was upsetting.
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Framboise posted:Trump did it, they said he did it, they said it was wrong, they said it was impeachable, and they said they don't give a flying gently caress. Nothing exists to stop them from doing likewise. Democrats need to do everything they can to make sure the nation is absolutely aware that is not only morally bereft, but that a vote for them is a vote for a criminal. When did they say he did it? Can you link it? I'm not arguing, I just am still seeing a lot of people saying there's no evidence he did anything criminal at all and while I know it won't make the tiniest difference, I'd still like to be able to rebut that.
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For starters one of the "Swing Voters" tweeted this to explain his vote for no more witnesses. It's part of a whole 15-tweet chain, if they're down for that, but this is a pretty open part. https://twitter.com/SenAlexander/status/1223093596527656964 Literally acknowledges that it happened, that he didn't want more witnesses because everybody knew it happened, but that it wasn't the Senate's place to deal with "inappropriate" behavior. Parakeet vs. Phone fucked around with this message at 11:35 on Feb 1, 2020 |
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Parakeet vs. Phone posted:For starters one of the "Swing Voters" tweeted this to explain his vote for no more witnesses. Thanks. I probably won't bother arguing. Most of these people will just defend the QPQ because MY TAXES so of course these freeloader countries should have to EARN their aid money, even if it does mean a corrupted election system. Hell, most buy into dems routinely commiting massive voter fraud anyway. People are loving hopeless god drat
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Framboise posted:I apologize for getting so heated about this but being accused of being anywhere remotely near the GOP's side even when I said quite precisely that I was not is nauseating. Scrub the word 'bipartisan' from your mind then. Bipartisanship is for idiots, and wishing for it is also for idiots. There is no peace with these people. Being a political pacifist in the face of suffering is how we got here in the first place. Conflict avoident people like you who prioritized peace over justice are directly responsible for the rise of fascism. Trump is the legacy of decades of centrists trying to keep a lid on dissent in order to line the pockets of business interests. The Democratic Party is just as complicit as the Republicans, and both organizations need to be bathed in flame. I mean look at this impeachment farce. The Democrats chose a political crime that targeted one of their own over any of Trump's actual human rights violations. They dragged their asses on getting anything done in an attempt to take political rivals off the campaign trail. They gave up on trying to prove anything when the Republicans threatened to call a Biden as a witness. The whole point of impeachment was to protect the Bidens, they certainly weren't going to risk having one testify. Better to just give up entirely. And now the whole thing will end with a wet fart. The Democrats are not a functional opposition party. They are not a valid set of checks or balances. Like just last week Elizabeth loving Warren, the 'progressive woman' not-Bernie, voted for Trump's stupid trade bill and handed him a legislative win. The Republicans have fewer senators than the Democrats did under Obama and are getting more legislation passed. Do you know why? Because of 'vote blue no matter who!' idiots like yourself empowering ever shittier people because you don't see an alternative. The who matters. It matters more than the blue part. The Democrats are morally and intellectually bankrupt as a party. They will rubber stamp whatever Trump wants and not oppose him in any meaningful way. This trial definitively proves it. It is better to let the Democrats fail entirely and be replaced by something not corrupt than to continue to pretend they can stop anything, or even *want* to stop anything.
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longtime coworker of mine, a union steward, very apolitical guy, mostly focuses on sports. talked to him about the impeachment stuff and how they just let trump get away with it, no witnesses, they'll acquit, it's over. he knows it's a hosed up situation and the republicans are bad and it's a sham, and this is one of the times he's going to go look for a rundown on what's happened. so he said, "I like fox news, I'll see if they have a good summary on it." I want to cry at how stupid and blissfully ignorant a lot of people in this country are I recommended he check out a breakdown by the washington post or other reputable source, but, well, this was fox news's plan all along. hook'em with sports talk and then eventually pull them into the right wing political grinder. I guess if someone has a direct, detailed breakdown of just how hosed the situation is by a reputable source I can give him, that'd be appreciated. maybe I can steer him away from the fox news pit.
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The Bible posted:Thanks. This is what blows my mind. Fox news and RW email chains, hate radio, and webpages have poisoned so many people with disinformation. Its freaking astounding what these poeple believe. I was listening to C-SPAN callers (my first mistake) and I had my mind blown about how these people think about the country. I am really worried if we don't do something about the RW propaganda machine this will be how it always is. We live in times that if one wants to stay in an echo chamber they can and sometimes those echo chambers are so incredibly damaging to the country. What do you think we could do about this?
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ManBoyChef posted:This is what blows my mind. Fox news and RW email chains, hate radio, and webpages have poisoned so many people with disinformation. Its freaking astounding what these poeple believe. I was listening to C-SPAN callers (my first mistake) and I had my mind blown about how these people think about the country. I am really worried if we don't do something about the RW propaganda machine this will be how it always is. We live in times that if one wants to stay in an echo chamber they can and sometimes those echo chambers are so incredibly damaging to the country. What do you think we could do about this? Actually appeal to people by offering them things they want, not woke scolding them. 'Did Not Vote' is the single most popular candidate in the country at all levels because the current political process doesn't really represent most Americans. The Democrats and Republicans have both abandoned the average working class American, and most of them are too busy working two jobs while being terrified of getting sick to really stop and notice the world around them. The GOP taps into that disaffection through demagoguery via their media networks, and riles up enough people to maintain a stranglehold while not really doing anything for them. The Democrats don't even care enough about the plebeian masses to try and offer a vision of a better world, and their news sources of choice seem to delight in making GBS threads on anyone not in the elite, or who suggests better things might be possible. Like, what do the Democrats even have to offer? If they controlled a media network, like say Washington Post or CNN, what grand projects would they trumpet? What vision would they sell? A return to respectability? Nobody but brain poisoned buffoons wants that. Or, to be more concrete, what explainer would you use for why the Democrats chose this crime to prosecute, and how would you relate it to the concerns of your average American who does not give a poo poo about Ukraine, or military aid, or some dumb political slap fight over Joe Biden's kid getting a fat paycheck based on his dad's political connections?
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Nix Panicus posted:Actually appeal to people by offering them things they want, not woke scolding them. 'Did Not Vote' is the single most popular candidate in the country at all levels because the current political process doesn't really represent most Americans. The Democrats and Republicans have both abandoned the average working class American, and most of them are too busy working two jobs while being terrified of getting sick to really stop and notice the world around them. The GOP taps into that disaffection through demagoguery via their media networks, and riles up enough people to maintain a stranglehold while not really doing anything for them. The Democrats don't even care enough about the plebeian masses to try and offer a vision of a better world, and their news sources of choice seem to delight in making GBS threads on anyone not in the elite, or who suggests better things might be possible. https://www.justicedemocrats.com/
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ManBoyChef posted:This is what blows my mind. Fox news and RW email chains, hate radio, and webpages have poisoned so many people with disinformation. Its freaking astounding what these poeple believe. I was listening to C-SPAN callers (my first mistake) and I had my mind blown about how these people think about the country. I am really worried if we don't do something about the RW propaganda machine this will be how it always is. We live in times that if one wants to stay in an echo chamber they can and sometimes those echo chambers are so incredibly damaging to the country. What do you think we could do about this? There really isn't a "solution" as such. Turn on the parental controls on your parent's television and block fox news.
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Feb 1, 2020 12:46
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A good start, yeah, but the justice dems are actively hated by the party proper
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Maybe they were right in logan's run.
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