Chrs posted:

If there was any virus on it it will absolutely be dead by the time it gets to you

Fornax Disaster posted:

Charlz Guybon posted:

Deaths increased. That's actually slightly less the number of new cases there yesterday.

Has growth plateaued or are they just struggling to test more than 3,000 in Hubei?

Haramstufe Rot posted:

Related, the CCP is fascist,

Chrs posted:

Take a day off you gently caress face nobody wants your germs.

PIZZA.BAT posted:

what you’re describing is authoritarian, not fascist. hope this helps, op. rest of the post is fine though

Haramstufe Rot posted:

First, China has mishandled the current outbreak and put not only its population, but the entire world in peril.

Second, China has instituted gargantuan measures of containment that would not be possible elsewhere. It may or may not be able to contain the outbreak, but from a certain point onward, it may be argued that if there is a country (of the same technological standard) that could, then it would be China.

Mr.Pibbleton posted:

It's a neat way to see Alaska.

Fojar38 posted:

The CCP is extremely fascist actually and fits every aspect of the definition

Haramstufe Rot posted:

Here is my organizational analysis:

1. The CCP mishandled the current crisis because it is institutionally bad at such things. The CCP is a hierarchical bureaucracy, which means that lower ranks conform to decorum, "number goals" and misinformation vis-a-vis higher ranks, because that keeps the superiors happy. Related, the CCP is fascist, which means that there is no interest on any level to release information that would implicate higher ranks, in particular Xi himself. The higher it goes, the more equivalent these ranks become with the "goodness" and viability of the whole organization (viewed internally). The higher the rank, the more it (and even the person) acts as embodied principle and philosophy of China. China is, essentially, unable to blame anything on the actions of the subsequent higher rank in the hierarchy because that is essentially treason. Since China is unwilling to admit to any mistakes (again, in personal union with Xi), the following holds: Local governments do not want to release information, as responsibility can only fall on their actions alone, and even that is considered a personal affront to all other Chinese.
It is thus entirely reasonable to assume that any link in the chain of hierarchies tried to suppress the magnitude of the crisis until they got summarily supplanted by subsequent superiors.
And so, there was no effective reaction to the outbreak for two months.

2. The more the crisis grows, the stronger the reaction. In particular, the reaction now will probably be pretty strong. This because this crisis has reached the international stage. Blame will fall on Xi, and, because fascism, on China and everyone in it. The top ranks therefore will be willing to institute strong and immediate measures, while ALSO cheating the numbers. They will also be able to do so, as internal blame flows downwards, inasmuch as responsibility flows upwards the hierarchy, and everyone has an incentive to actually solve this crisis once the superior is involved! Once Xi is actually informed and involved, his inferiors will suddenly be surprisingly efficient and vigilant. Of course, Xi will still lie to the WHO as best as possible.
In the future, this will not change. Information gets played down until it can't. Then things get done.

Therefore, two things are probably true at the same time:

First, China has mishandled the current outbreak and put not only its population, but the entire world in peril.

Second, China has instituted gargantuan measures of containment that would not be possible elsewhere. It may or may not be able to contain the outbreak, but from a certain point onward, it may be argued that if there is a country (of the same technological standard) that could, then it would be China.



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Haramstufe Rot posted:

Here is my organizational analysis:

1. The CCP mishandled the current crisis because it is institutionally bad at such things. The CCP is a hierarchical bureaucracy, which means that lower ranks conform to decorum, "number goals" and misinformation vis-a-vis higher ranks, because that keeps the superiors happy. Related, the CCP is fascist, which means that there is no interest on any level to release information that would implicate higher ranks, in particular Xi himself. The higher it goes, the more equivalent these ranks become with the "goodness" and viability of the whole organization (viewed internally). The higher the rank, the more it (and even the person) acts as embodied principle and philosophy of China. China is, essentially, unable to blame anything on the actions of the subsequent higher rank in the hierarchy because that is essentially treason. Since China is unwilling to admit to any mistakes (again, in personal union with Xi), the following holds: Local governments do not want to release information, as responsibility can only fall on their actions alone, and even that is considered a personal affront to all other Chinese.
It is thus entirely reasonable to assume that any link in the chain of hierarchies tried to suppress the magnitude of the crisis until they got summarily supplanted by subsequent superiors.
And so, there was no effective reaction to the outbreak for two months.

2. The more the crisis grows, the stronger the reaction. In particular, the reaction now will probably be pretty strong. This because this crisis has reached the international stage. Blame will fall on Xi, and, because fascism, on China and everyone in it. The top ranks therefore will be willing to institute strong and immediate measures, while ALSO cheating the numbers. They will also be able to do so, as internal blame flows downwards, inasmuch as responsibility flows upwards the hierarchy, and everyone has an incentive to actually solve this crisis once the superior is involved! Once Xi is actually informed and involved, his inferiors will suddenly be surprisingly efficient and vigilant. Of course, Xi will still lie to the WHO as best as possible.
In the future, this will not change. Information gets played down until it can't. Then things get done.

Therefore, two things are probably true at the same time:

First, China has mishandled the current outbreak and put not only its population, but the entire world in peril.

Second, China has instituted gargantuan measures of containment that would not be possible elsewhere. It may or may no t be able to contain the outbreak, but from a certain point onward, it may be argued that if there is a country (of the same technological standard) that could, then it would be China.



thank you for coming to my sociology ted talk

PIZZA.BAT posted:

what you’re describing is authoritarian, not fascist. hope this helps, op. rest of the post is fine though

EimiYoshikawa posted:

I'm pretty sure that diseases, by definition, don't tend to spread by neat additions of 2,000 to 3,000 cases per day, generally.

So...yeah.

bob dobbs is dead posted:

testing regiments and bureaucracies do tho

Burns posted:

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2020/02/03/coronavirus-plane-prank/

Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:

None of this is true what happened was is that somebody got sick and then other people did too

Fojar38 posted:

The CCP is extremely fascist actually and fits every aspect of the definition

Tomathan posted:

You gotta take a step back guy, cause you are seeing things they aren't saying. Their whole point isn't that they are telling the truth, but that the actual numbers are most likely unknowable.

Bape Culture posted:

Let’s just email Chinese crematorium staff and ask them to join the forums and we can get to the bottom of this once and for all

Fojar38 posted:

The CCP is extremely fascist actually and fits every aspect of the definition

Gearhead posted:

Some extremely detail oriented person or another has been trying to puzzle out what the actual death toll of this is in Wuhan by checking out the discharges of Sulfur Dioxide over the city, since bodies produce this during cremation processes. This has been somewhat stymied by the fact that Wuhan is covered in a perpetual, snuggly blanket of Sulfur Dioxide that would probably dryclean your lungs if you spent a lot of time out in it regularly.

This may have some correlation to why so many people in China are having lung problems.

There is basically one hotspot on the atmospheric map, in the midst of this funk, that breaks the measure of the sensor's ability to detect and goes screaming off the top of the scale.

Bape Culture posted:

Good point. If America also bad then China must be good

Bape Culture posted:

Good point. If America also bad then China must be good

Carth Dookie posted:

I bought some stuff off eBay that's coming from China (eventually). I wonder how much of the package by percentage will be comprised of deadly flu virus.

bones 4 beginners posted:

A friend went on an Alaskan cruise with his (then) girlfriend. She spent the entire time watching Marvel movies and reading gay fanfiction about the characters. He went exploring on his own since she didn't want to do anything else.

This is what I think of every time someone brings up cruises.

SpaceGoatFarts posted:

It's going to be fun in the US when we eventually have a vaccine for the coronavirus and the hordes of anti-vaxxers, empowered by Trump, are saying "ahaha shove your autism-inducing vaccines where the sun doesn't shine, commies".

Gearhead posted:

Some extremely detail oriented person or another has been trying to puzzle out what the actual death toll of this is in Wuhan by checking out the discharges of Sulfur Dioxide over the city, since bodies produce this during cremation processes. This has been somewhat stymied by the fact that Wuhan is covered in a perpetual, snuggly blanket of Sulfur Dioxide that would probably dryclean your lungs if you spent a lot of time out in it regularly.

This may have some correlation to why so many people in China are having lung problems.

There is basically one hotspot on the atmospheric map, in the midst of this funk, that breaks the measure of the sensor's ability to detect and goes screaming off the top of the scale.

Mozi posted:

China is reporting confirmed cases and people who were confirmed to have died as a direct result of the virus. They are not 'under reporting' any 'estimates', though by nature of reality they are under-reporting actual infected/dead.

monkeytennis posted:

I’ve had some single distillery Martell and I’m lying in bed watching Coronation Street. Work was a struggle today but I haven’t been off sick for over 20 years and I’m a stubborn Yorkshireman so it ain’t beating me.