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Serf posted:yeah the majority of her support would go to bernie. if she gets out, bernie's lead grows I do not know that's actually true anymore tbh, especially because if she drops out very soon she will not be pressured to endorse. in super tuesday states, I could see her support in MA tacking toward butt. but yeah probably getting even 40% of her supporters is good.
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Eifert Posting posted:I have a hard time believing any democrat majority won't push for elections to be a public holiday. It simply makes too much sense. Great except outside government it would mostly be PMCs that would get the day off. No one who clocks in for a living would be able to take advantage. And of course you'd see business fighting to keep the thrifty class away from the polls by turning into some big retail sale day like all the other holidays have become except now it's personal e: i mean, still do it, but it's impact won't be as great as we want it to be
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gradenko_2000 posted:This is getting kinda deep into theory, but the ideological split really comes down American organized labor being from a tradition of what's called Free Trade Unionism, where unions are the political project in and of themselves, which leaves them open to being turned into an anti-communist apparatus. Thank you, very interesting. Is that going to present a problem for Sanders’ political project? Anecdotally, I can see a dividing line between woke, affluent, educated liberals and workers, just in terms of how “yikes sweetie very problematic” moralizing has shut people without college socialization out. Bernie Sanders promising Socialism without the polyamory or whatever seems to be a good way to bring workers in, woke or not.
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Pingui posted:Nowhere. As the Bernie campaign probably doesn't have 100% of the caucus documented, showing which places they cannot document the result of, would be showing which places the DNC could cheat. afaik we were in every precinct either calling in or using our own app
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Squizzle posted:let us proclaim the mystery of bernie Light three candles for past, present, and future Bernie campaign wins
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gradenko_2000 posted:Absolutely not. McGovern lost primarily because the AFL-CIO was lead by a pro-Vietnam-War conservative that refused to campaign for or endorse the nominee, and the Democrats were still pretty reliant on being the party of labor at the time.
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Pollyanna posted:she should, we just need to figure out what time is best for bernie Probably sometime after New Hampshire but before Super Tuesday
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Amber made a going point on the latest Chapo (~1:10). Woke PMC strivers are not our friends. Liz voters are members of Pantsuit Nation, The Wing, and so on and are not interested in a movement of workers and peasants.
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Squizzle posted:let us proclaim the mystery of bernie
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charity rereg posted:I do not know that's actually true anymore tbh, especially because if she drops out very soon she will not be pressured to endorse. in super tuesday states, I could see her support in MA tacking toward butt. but yeah probably getting even 40% of her supporters is good. i don't think anyone has direct control over their supporters like that. the liz lads i know were bernie supporters in 2016, and most of them have already said that if she drops out they'll go to bernie i have had to handle them with a soft touch, and save my hate for online lol
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NYT acknowledging how hosed up the results are https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1225432684727537666
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gonna mix up my Bernie donations thru the week by putting $40 on his predictit for NH and then donating anything it wins
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ReidRansom posted:Great except outside government it would mostly be PMCs that would get the day off. No one who clocks in for a living would be able to take advantage. And of course you'd see business fighting to keep the thrifty class away from the polls by turning into some big retail sale day like all the other holidays have become except now it's personal That’s bullshit you could make it a holiday week where employers are required to pay all workers a full day in wages to vote. Basically make it mandatory for them to give the worker a day off with pay.
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Some Warren and Buttigieg supporters are definitely the same type of big structural energy neolibs but if Warren continues to perform poorly then voters will probably go with someone else even if she limps into Super Tuesday. Her fundraising has already taken a hit and January numbers might be even worse (thanks to all the refunds lmao).
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Frosted Flake posted:Amber made a going point on the latest Chapo (~1:10). Woke PMC strivers are not our friends. Liz voters are members of Pantsuit Nation, The Wing, and so on and are not interested in a movement of workers and peasants. This is circular firing squad horseshit imo. You don't have to be desperate working poor to recognize that a lack of social programs causes crime, financial stagnation and lowers quality of life for even otherwise comfortable people. I will not personally benefit from a ton of leftist policy, but the people around me being aided will improve the spaces I live in. A lot of y'all overestimate the percentage of people in America who materially benefit from our idiotic brand of predatory capitalism.
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I think we’re underestimating how many Warren supporters still basically view her as “Bernie with girl power” Healthcare is what voters are most concerned about so if Warren drops out they’re gonna movie towards the other Medicare for all candidate Augus has issued a correction as of 16:05 on Feb 6, 2020 |
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Presenting Nipples posted:That’s bullshit you could make it a holiday week where employers are required to pay all workers a full day in wages to vote. Basically make it mandatory for them to give the worker a day off with pay. That's unfortunately not so easy. We don't have any national holidays or even provisions for creating them AFAIK that would require the private sector to all close down. Like, sounds great, but it would require significant and probably controversial legislation and probably court battles after that. We can have those battles and should, but I'm just saying don't expect it to go along easily
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It's great that the first caucus they've had transparent vote counts, they've also had a huge clusterfuck of reporting errors that will probably take days/weeks to untangle. Pretty certain at this point that all the caucus results going back a long time have been hosed up. Obama barely eeking it out in 2008 and rocketing up to the presidency. Hillary barely squeezing by in 2016.
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exquisite tea posted:Some Warren and Buttigieg supporters are definitely the same type of big structural energy neolibs but if Warren continues to perform poorly then voters will probably go with someone else even if she limps into Super Tuesday. Her fundraising has already taken a hit and January numbers might be even worse (thanks to all the refunds lmao). The Bernie Bro narrative is tailor made for allowing them to claim the moral high ground while still loving Bernie over. I couldn’t say what the odds are, but Warren endorsing Pete fits with what we know about her and her base would happily vote for him so long as rapacious capitalism had a LGBTQA+ gloss. They’d very quickly make voting for a gay candidate rather than a cis het white man their justification too.
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Augus posted:I think we’re underestimating how many Warren supporters still basically view her as “Bernie with girl power” I'm not.
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ReidRansom posted:That's unfortunately not so easy. We don't have any national holidays or even provisions for creating them AFAIK that would require the private sector to all close down. Like, sounds great, but it would require significant and probably controversial legislation and probably court battles after that. We can have those battles and should, but I'm just saying don't expect it to go along easily sounds like the real obstacle here is private industry, and by extension bourgeois democracy
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YEEES, HA HA HA.... YEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSS
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Serf posted:sounds like the real obstacle here is private industry, and by extension bourgeois democracy this guy gets it
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Necromancy Hunter S Thompson to cover Bernie's campaign for a new book
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actually yes this is incredibly good and useful - this is State Delegate Equivalent movement, not individual voters https://twitter.com/lbronner/status/1225206448143073280 she is definitely coming off as "bernie w/ girl power" to a lot of those Sanders>Warren voters, I'm glad she has started to distance herself on some issues but she's mostly dragged it back and probably won a few "presidential decorum" points. so yeah her dropping is probably good. i dont think we'd get 100% of that back but probably more than pete/bloomberg
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Presenting Nipples posted:That’s bullshit you could make it a holiday week where employers are required to pay all workers a full day in wages to vote. Basically make it mandatory for them to give the worker a day off with pay.
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My dad was busting a gut at Joe Biden's fail
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:I wonder how the people on the off-site are taking all this I forgot about that, i hope they're all safe
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Augus posted:I think we’re underestimating how many Warren supporters still basically view her as “Bernie with girl power” this is true for every millennial Warren supporter I know in Iowa. her older voters might be there for other reasons, but my demo was entirely "the progressive who isn't a white man"
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Bearjew posted:Bernie won
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:I wonder how the people on the off-site are taking all this They are all dead op
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Dolphin posted:Automatic voter registration and mail ballots to every voter, return postage paid and sent directly to the correct precinct. If there are any errors (stolen ballots, filled out wrong or whatever) they can be corrected by the voter on voting day or whatever. In addition increasing the number of polling places, provide public transportation to and from them and just increase the overall hours they are open
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Presenting Nipples posted:That’s bullshit you could make it a holiday week where employers are required to pay all workers a full day in wages to vote. Basically make it mandatory for them to give the worker a day off with pay. I'm guessing you aren't an American?
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