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There's still definitely a nuanced argument to be made for it. Even if you are to include asexual people under the LGBT+ umbrella, they absolutely haven't faced nearly as much hardship as homosexual or trans people. People don't get lynched, denied a job or housing, chemically castrated, or imprisoned because they aren't interested in having sex. I can understand why someone who's experienced serious problems due to their sexuality or gender identity would chafe at an asexual person claiming to be equally oppressed by society. At the same time, that doesn't mean you have to go all the way to "Asexuals are liars stealing my identity! We're kicking you out of the club!" But as with any hot button issue that isn't actually black and white, people tend to just declare their position the only valid one and anyone who disagrees is a shitlord.
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It looks like people had some money when bush was president, less money during Obama’s presidency and the most during trumps reign. Am I missing something?
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I'm not even American (not that you have to be), and I can see that this doesn't show what he wants it to.
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oldpainless posted:It looks like people had some money when bush was president, less money during Obama’s presidency and the most during trumps reign. Am I missing something? Bush started a massive crash that Obama turned into a big upswing that Trump is coasting on. More like ReadChartsLess
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oldpainless posted:It looks like people had some money when bush was president, less money during Obama’s presidency and the most during trumps reign. Am I missing something? A knowledge of basic economics
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oldpainless posted:It looks like people had some money when bush was president, less money during Obama’s presidency and the most during trumps reign. Am I missing something? They lost all their money because of the housing crash that happened because of Bush policies and happened before Obama was even elected, let alone actually president. If I remember correctly the economy started recovering in like March of his first year, so almost immediately.
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No. I’m afraid you’re all wrong and furthermore extremely dumb. The chart clearly show less money with Obama and more money with the republican.
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A correction More like oldtrollmore
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From my local city Facebook group. Most of the replies are just making fun of him. 
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PetraCore posted:Yeah I fall on the side of asexuals absolutely welcome, with the caveat that if you're gatekeeping you're not really helping the wider community. We're stronger together than apart, and I'm uncomfortable with saying a certain threshold of pain needs to be objectively reached to be queer. Hell, I've seen people claim that if you're bi and get straight married, you were clearly faking it and aren't actually bi. So apparently if you're bi you're expected to be exclusively gay for life otherwise it doesn't count.
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Staryberry posted:From my local city Facebook group. Most of the replies are just making fun of him. 
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Picnic Princess posted:Hell, I've seen people claim that if you're bi and get straight married, you were clearly faking it and aren't actually bi. So apparently if you're bi you're expected to be exclusively gay for life otherwise it doesn't count. Plus harassment of bisexual and trans people with their partners at pride parades because they look like a hetero couple.
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oldpainless posted:No. I’m afraid you’re all wrong and furthermore extremely dumb. The chart clearly show less money with Obama and more money with the republican. Clearly what it shows is that Republicans are better for the market and that everyone is psychic. See, Bush's presidency was great for the market, but everyone knew that a stupid democrat was going to get elected next so the market started retracting in fear. Then when Obummer was in office everybody knew that a noble republican was going to come in next to fix things up, so they started being more optimistic about the market, and that's why it got better.
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chitoryu12 posted:There's still definitely a nuanced argument to be made for it. Even if you are to include asexual people under the LGBT+ umbrella, they absolutely haven't faced nearly as much hardship as homosexual or trans people. People don't get lynched, denied a job or housing, chemically castrated, or imprisoned because they aren't interested in having sex. I can understand why someone who's experienced serious problems due to their sexuality or gender identity would chafe at an asexual person claiming to be equally oppressed by society. It's also the argument I've seen for gatekeeping who is 'trans enough', because of policies in place that make it hard for the people who need to medically transition to do so, and I feel really bad for those people but the bigots running things aren't going to listen to them more if they're 'obedient' enough. It always seems like a tactic designed to drive people to emotional extremes so that the bigots can then point at them and say, see, those trans people are really messed up. I know this isn't really the thread for in-depth sociopolitical discussions, I'm just hoping to make some people who haven't had to be aware of this more cognizant of the sort of divide and conquer politics going on here.
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The queer community only gets more powerful as it becomes more inclusive
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Can we gatekeep the demisexuals? I mean we're practically at "white people are colored because white is a color" at this point.
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She's from Wyoming, I just find her misspellings amusing. quote:George said that the Declaration of Independence Articles of War state that the American Military should have tryed Hillary Clinton and any of her Democrats cohart(s) for HighTreason, as our country America is still at a state of War. This was from January 30th, not sure what event it's referencing, I think George is/was her husband? quote:George is wondering why project bluebook is stateing that the sand people (R) used a tractorbeam to pull the bug onto their property., That is B. S., You all at Uncle gave to them freely, by stateing it on YOUTUBE, that it had been caught in a sandstorm, and where you all were putting it down at, making sure that sandpeople new its location on their property, it was the Obama administration that committed this act of TREASON against us the American People, just like they are doing now to our president Trump, it ties in with the Benghazi (MURDERS) on hillerie's watch, Alex Jones even put it on his page, Julien Assange Wikileaks and let's not forget that it was also on hilleries watch that China got the 250Billion JET, also J. S wikileaks.
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Kit Walker posted:The queer community only gets more powerful as it becomes more inclusive when everyone is queer, then no one will be 
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Asexuals face a lot of very lovely situations and trying to quantify oppression is a fools' errand. It's a valid sexuality and we should include them in LGBTQ.
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Skwirl posted:They lost all their money because of the housing crash that happened because of Bush policies and happened before Obama was even elected, let alone actually president. If I remember correctly the economy started recovering in like March of his first year, so almost immediately. GDP was down .01% in 2008, minus 2.5% in 2009, and up 2.6% in 2010, so the recession ended sometime in late 2009 or 2010. Most of the stuff to save the economy was done before Obama took Office, but he gets credit for the recovery.
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Katt posted:Can we gatekeep the demisexuals? I once had someone try to argue to my face that I had to classify myself as demisexual because I said I wasn't interested in random sex with people I don't know.
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How Rude posted:Asexuals face a lot of very lovely situations and trying to quantify oppression is a fools' errand. Gay people be like: We were killed on principle for 2000 years and now we can get married. Asexuals be like: Oh yeah but this stranger on discord asked me why I didn't like sex. Which is basically a holocaust on me as a person. No seriously. Whenever aces try to quantify their struggle it's 100% chat logs but framed as if they're confronted by armed gangs on the street as opposed to curious or confused strangers on the internet who don't feel strongly about it either way. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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chitoryu12 posted:I once had someone try to argue to my face that I had to classify myself as demisexual because I said I wasn't interested in random sex with people I don't know. This is basically what the asexual community had a lot of in the early 2010’s. There were a ton of teens on tumblr who only knew the world through the lens of media and fanfiction and thought everyone around them was just constantly loving all the time. Since they weren’t interested in that, they must be asexual, even though they still wanted to have sex, just with people they liked. The fact that’s pretty common never crossed their mind. Tumblr really was good at manufacturing social media idiocy.
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Katt posted:Gay people be like: We were killed on principle for 2000 years and now we can get married. I'd assume most aexual oppression would be in the form of microaggressions from people they know, which in some cases could be nearly constant. "You aren't assexual you just haven't met the right guy." "You're so pretty you can't be asexual." "You're just shy." "That's not a real thing, you're just looking for attention." "It's just a phase." "Okay but when are you giving me grandchildren?" "You'll feel differently when you meet the right person and fall in love." Etc. People denying your existence has to get you down sooner or later.
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That70sHeidi posted:She's from Wyoming, I just find her misspellings amusing. Maybe she's like my cousins, who could spell just fine until after they got their high school diplomas? Both spelling and legibility have been in a slow-but-steady decline since their graduations. What I'm saying is, we didd get gradded on speling in Wyoming skouls. Honust engine!
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Ugly In The Morning posted:This is basically what the asexual community had a lot of in the early 2010’s. There were a ton of teens on tumblr who only knew the world through the lens of media and fanfiction and thought everyone around them was just constantly loving all the time. Since they weren’t interested in that, they must be asexual, even though they still wanted to have sex, just with people they liked. The fact that’s pretty common never crossed their mind. Oh I had a fling with a girl like that once. Swore up and down that she was asexual, despite being incredibly horny and constantly wanting to gently caress, because she "didn't actually need sex."
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The problem is probably with me. But I've volunteered at an LGBTQ support center for several years. And when I see asexuals/demisexuals online (which is the only place I encounter them as an oppressed minority) what I see are 100% white people who are grasping at the last straws to fervently belong to a minority group.
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Katt posted:The problem is probably with me. But I've volunteered at an LGBTQ support center for several years. And when I see asexuals/demisexuals online (which is the only place I encounter them as an oppressed minority) what I see are 100% white people who are grasping at the last straws to fervently belong to a minority group. Well, yeah, anything 'special' is going to attract people who need to be special. Bored kids who want an identity. Then there's the narcissists and mentally ill who latch onto a thing to explain their chaotic world. Still, a million extremely online assholes with poor social skills who self-diagnosed themselves with aspergers doesn't make the struggles of people who legitimately have autism spectrum disorder less real. Likewise extremely online assholes calling themselves asexual or bisexual online while being indistinguishable from straight doesn't mean bisexual and asexual people don't exist.
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Facebook Aunt posted:I'd assume most aexual oppression would be in the form of microaggressions from people they know, which in some cases could be nearly constant. "You aren't assexual you just haven't met the right guy." "You're so pretty you can't be asexual." "You're just shy." "That's not a real thing, you're just looking for attention." "It's just a phase." "Okay but when are you giving me grandchildren?" "You'll feel differently when you meet the right person and fall in love." Etc. People denying your existence has to get you down sooner or later. I'm sure it doesn't help that there are medical conditions (and medical procedures/interventions) that will cause someone to present like an asexual. A friend of mine was on antidepressants through high school and swore up and down she was asexual - she wasn't interested in sex, never masterbated, never felt physiological arousal. Then one day in undergrad the doctor switched her off the SSRI and suddenly she was a very hetero lady making up for lost time.
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Pththya-lyi posted:I remember reading stuff - on this very website, no less! - about how asexuals are just repressed trendy teens trying to coopt the LGBT struggle. I wrote this thinking the days I was describing were over. I guess I was wrong.
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Araenna posted:It seems like discussing which minorities really count as minorities is not the point of this thread and also kinda gross.
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Facebook Aunt posted:Well, yeah, anything 'special' is going to attract people who need to be special. Bored kids who want an identity. Then there's the narcissists and mentally ill who latch onto a thing to explain their chaotic world. To be clear, Katt's talking about demisexual folks, not bisexual folks. Don't think anyone here is trying to gatekeep bi people. Demisexual people claim they're a thing because they only want to have sex with someone after getting to know them.
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Emily Spinach posted:To be clear, Katt's talking about demisexual folks, not bisexual folks. Don't think anyone here is trying to gatekeep bi people. Actually they only want to have sex with demi moore
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oldpainless posted:Actually they only want to have sex with demi moore I wouldn't expect any less
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oldpainless posted:Actually they only want to have sex with demi moore Oh, well that's entirely different, because nobody truly knows Demi Moore.
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Emily Spinach posted:To be clear, Katt's talking about demisexual folks, not bisexual folks. Don't think anyone here is trying to gatekeep bi people. That's it.
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