TheCenturion posted:

The thing I took away from that scene, coded as paranoid old coot in a trailer notwithstanding, is that she's incredibly bitter about Picard having a life outside of Starfleet, incredibly bitter that he didn't so much as look her up after she got fired as collateral damage, and incredibly bitter that she realizes that it's partly her fault; there was nothing standing in her way of doing something else. But as has been pointed out, she seems to be living the life she wants to, isn't starving, isn't wanting for any material comforts, and isn't being bothered.

Mal-3 posted:

I'd have accepted "she's totally vaping, but she's vaping spacedrugs instead of tobacco or weed." Because, y'know, one of the fun bits of Boldly Going is finding new and interesting things to eat, drink and smoke. Getting into the well-actuallies about the vape pen being totally this Orion cultural thing is a little tryhard, though.

Drink-Mix Man posted:

I mean, that's what it is so far in the show. The "well actually" just seems to be some backstory the show runners had on deck for when fans get on their case about it; all you're supposed to get out of it as a normal viewer is "space drugs."

Drink-Mix Man posted:

Leave it to Trekkies to rant and debate about sunglasses for ten pages without discussing the actual plot of the show.

Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

That's not an issue with Trekkies so much as it is a cultural problem with TVIV going back fifteen years or more. People fixate on minutiae and then runn jokes about it into the ground to cover for their inability to actually watch and understand a television programme. See also dliberately misconstruing events depicted on screen to allow for criticism fitting an agenda.

nine-gear crow posted:

I’m almost wondering at this point how many other members of the Verity’s crew did Starfleet weedwhack because of Picard’s stunt and if so how did they handle it? Better or worse than Raffi did? Because Starfleet probably cleaned house on that ship to scrub it of any trace of Picard and/or to spite Picard personally, so I’m betting a lot of people got fired and the only one we actually saw get the axe was Raffi.

socialsecurity posted:

So a few people joking about sunglasses means they are morons?

TheCenturion posted:

Hell, I can't think of any reason, illustrated in the show, about *why* they'd fire her. She was being a good XO and supporting her superior.

So either they hauled her in and said 'JL just resigned, are you going to let this go and accept reassignment?' to which she answered 'no, gently caress you,' or they fired her as punishment for Picard's SHEER loving HUBRIS. Probably, it was the former, but she feels like it was the latter.

Point being, she's a crazy trailer hillbilly by choice, and she hates that about herself.

That said, it would have been interesting to see Picard roll up to her luxury condo, where she indulges in painting, sculpting, and learning whatever esoteric things catch her fancy, but being utterly bored and hating not being 'out there' at the forefront of exploration and discovery.

AntherUslessPoster posted:

Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

That's not an issue with Trekkies so much as it is a cultural problem with TVIV going back fifteen years or more. People fixate on minutiae and then runn jokes about it into the ground to cover for their inability to actually watch and understand a television programme. See also deliberately misconstruing events depicted on screen to allow for criticism fitting an agenda.

piratepilates posted:

Edit: ok seriously what the hell....whole heap of talk about an episode that hasn't even aired yet... Why is no one talking about this?????????

Senor Tron posted:

Because that episode hasn't aired yet so we only have a few seconds possibly out of context to go on.

Regarding sunglasses chat, I couldn't care less. Oh this Vulcan wears sunglasses sometimes, fine. Maybe her eyes are more sensitive or something. It will be funny if it's a clue to something though. Reminds me of early in Matt Smith's first season of Doctor Who where a few people got hung up on a minor costuming error while others got annoyed at them, until in the finale it turned out to be a crucial clue to everything.

piratepilates posted:

Edit: ok seriously what the hell. I haven't seen a single post about the weird romulan samurai and sword fighting in next week's preview. Does no one else find that weird? Does no one else think all the swordfighting is just a little strange? Maybe the romulan samurai? Why is he a samurai? Why did he choose the hair of a Japanese anime character if he's a romulan refugee? Why does the next episode look exactly like a reused Stargate SG1 Script, complete with an alien world that takes place a few hundred years ago but filmed in Vancouver? Why is no one talking about this?????????

Senor Tron posted:

Because that episode hasn't aired yet so we only have a few seconds possibly out of context to go on.

Regarding sunglasses chat, I couldn't care less. Oh this Vulcan wears sunglasses sometimes, fine. Maybe her eyes are more sensitive or something. It will be funny if it's a clue to something though. Reminds me of early in Matt Smith's first season of Doctor Who where a few people got hung up on a minor costuming error while others got annoyed at them, until in the finale it turned out to be a crucial clue to everything.

piratepilates posted:

Edit: ok seriously what the hell. I haven't seen a single post about the weird romulan samurai and sword fighting in next week's preview. Does no one else find that weird? Does no one else think all the swordfighting is just a little strange? Maybe the romulan samurai? Why is he a samurai? Why did he choose the hair of a Japanese anime character if he's a romulan refugee? Why does the next episode look exactly like a reused Stargate SG1 Script, complete with an alien world that takes place a few hundred years ago but filmed in Vancouver? Why is no one talking about this?????????

Seemlar posted:

Look, if you want to clear up some things about both Oh and Jurati, go back and rewatch the "This season, on Star Trek Picard..." teaser that played after episode 1.

You can see a scene that is very clearly Oh mind-melding with Jurati during their meeting, which both confirms Oh is a Vulcan, and that something isn't above board with Jurati since this was a detail that was kept hidden to be revealed later

Drink-Mix Man posted:

I really liked the actress's performance as Raffi.

Really every actor in this show is super solid so far. I guess Dajh and Romulan snaggletooth are comparatively weaker than the rest, but they're also youngest and have some of the corniest stuff to work with so far.

Lizard Combatant posted:

Hah! I hate watching teasers (and this is why) so I didn't see that. But that sure is a hell of a lot less subtle than just some sunglasses. Where's the fun in that, trailer makers?

Seemlar posted:

It's one of those cases where I usually watch them because at the time they're mostly just out of context things that don't 'spoil' anything in advance, you don't really know what it means until you reach it in the show itself. But this particular thing answers a question before the show says the answer itself.

Should have put the sunglasses scene in the trailer instead. Or maybe not, maybe that was the best surprise of them all.

Seemlar posted:

Look, if you want to clear up some things about both Oh and Jurati, go back and rewatch the "This season, on Star Trek Picard..." teaser that played after episode 1.

You can see a scene that is very clearly Oh mind-melding with Jurati during their meeting, which both confirms Oh is a Vulcan, and that something isn't above board with Jurati since this was a detail that was kept hidden to be revealed later

Snow Cone Capone posted:

I'm only just now getting into TOS so my mind-meld lore is lacking, but couldn't that just mean Oh knows the details that Picard shared with Jurati at their first meeting, but nothing else? Does a mind-meld make like, a permanent 2-way connection between people, or is it just a "now I know what you know up to this point" deal?

Big Mean Jerk posted:

ed: gently caress I forgot about the weird Sarek/Burnham meld that gives them direct contact

nine-gear crow posted:

I think she was better as Dajh than she's been as Soji so far, but this is also like one of her first acting jobs ever according to IMDB, so in that respect she's doing phenomenal as a relative newcomer. Especially when she's able to hold her own against Sir Patrick Stewart.

Snow Cone Capone posted:

drat, I hate that idea more than I hate the idea that Oh is MU

Lizard Combatant posted:

That was awful, the most inorganic device possible for giving characters new information. "I'm going to Team Viewer into my Pop's brain to see if he's OK. Oh whaddaya know, he's dreaming about pertinent information to the plot."

Tars Tarkas posted:

Oh is Men in Black, she's really named O, and the sunglasses were to protect herself from the memory wipe she gave Allison Pill

Lizard Combatant posted:

I haven't been watching the next times on this show, but I'm guessing they've been vague enough and otherwise pretty good at holding back details since they haven't been popping up in the thread. Which is nice.

Seemlar posted:

The Burnham-Sarek mind meld is an exception to how they work because Sarek initiated it when Burnham was dead in an attempt to revive her. It's not some kind of precedent setter.

Tars Tarkas posted:

Same, I like Dajh so much better than Soji it's weird even though I don't think she's really playing them that differently.

Powered Descent posted:

Add me to that pile too. But my hot take is that it's all in the writing of the characters, and not much to do with the acting. Soji's had a lot more screen time by now but we still have no clear sense of who she (thinks she) is or why she (thinks she) is even there on the cube in the first place.

But then I'm also finding the entire storyline on the cube to be a complete drag compared to the one on Earth, for pretty much the same reason. In Jean-Luc's storyline on Earth, there's a lot that we the audience don't know yet, but they're presented as mysteries that the characters are trying to solve. On the Borg cube, there's also a lot that we the audience don't know, but that's just because the writers haven't gotten around to telling us very much of it yet.

Snow Cone Capone posted:

I just checked to be sure and she specifically says "their species had a name, we just don't know what it was"

Like I can accept the reason she knows the language as An Upcoming Big Reveal, but you'd think Hugh or Narek would have massively raised an eyebrow over it.