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Acebuckeye13 posted:See the twitter thread I posted on the last page. He's not just spending money on ads, he's throwing a fuckton of money at all kinds of people and organizations to get their endorsements. Yeah, that was a good Twitter thread, thanks for posting it.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:yeah see here's the thing, winning the election is the most important priority right now, and Bernie selecting a more moderate/establishment VP (depending on who they are) would be the best and most visible way Sanders can get the moderate vote on board. You don't like them, I don't like them, but their votes are going to be extremely important for keeping the House, winning the Senate, and beating Trump—and if that means selecting someone who's power in office is extremely limited, but can be used to get more voters on board, then so be it. OTOH, picking a moderate VP would signal to the leftists that he's not as serious about his policies and that he's willing to compromise to gain a political advantage, which is exactly the opposite of what they see in him. It could depress turnout from them just as badly as it would for moderates with a super left VP. Personally I'd rather go all the way because we NEED to go all the way. No more half measures.
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mlmp08 posted:Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) Tweeted: To get real technical, that is what one of the charges at Nuremberg was—"Planning, initiating and waging wars of aggression and other crimes against peace." But with that said, I'm curious which "Nazi Speechwriters" he thinks were convicted at Nuremberg. Gobbels of course followed his leader, and of the 24 people charged with war crimes, the only ones who were solely devoted to propaganda were (near as I can tell) Hans Fritzsche, a popular radio host who was ultimately acquitted, and Julius Streicher, who effectively owned an entire publishing house devoted to anti-semetic propaganda and was so virulently racist that the Nazis themselves (According to Wikipedia) kicked him out for being too disruptive, and was ultimately hanged.
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Fister Roboto posted:OTOH, picking a moderate VP would signal to the leftists that he's not as serious about his policies and that he's willing to compromise to gain a political advantage, which is exactly the opposite of what they see in him. It could depress turnout from them just as badly as it would for moderates with a super left VP. Personally I'd rather go all the way because we NEED to go all the way. No more half measures. I mean the counterpoint here is that there's a hell of a lot more moderates uneasy about Sanders than there are leftists who would sit out just because Sanders chose... (spins roulette wheel) Mark Warner. And considering how important winning the Senate and keeping the House is, without which Sanders couldn't accomplish anything anyway, it's more than worth spending a do-nothing position on a more establishment-friendly moderate rather than ramping up "maximum leftism" and then losing the Senate and accomplishing very little over the next four years. And, dude... it's politics. Compromise is the name of the game, and Sanders himself knows that very well. If you're hoping for someone who can singlehandedly bring about a communist revolution from the White House, you're going to be severely disappointed regardless of who gets in the White House. (you're also forgetting the value of bringing someone in who, even if they're a political moderate, is a team player and can help bring other moderates on board with the administration's agenda, rather than shutting out the establishment entirely. to paraphrase Lyndon Johnson, it’s better to have them inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in.)
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Hot Karl Marx posted:The corpse of Lenin will be his VP constitutionally ineligible. Now the corpse of Eugene Debs, on the other hand...
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They're going with "agressive war" in the sense of count 2 of the Nuremberg trials?
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Doesn't mean I can't be righteously pissed at the moderates kicking up a stink about "vOtE BLue No MAtTer WHO" with Hillary loving Clinton and hearing "Oh no, Sanders is too extreme. I can't vote for that!" now. Where were the VP olive branches to people wanting to fix poo poo for the last few decades? loving Biden? Give me a break. If they really want to beat Trump they'll vote Bernie with a side order of Karl Marx VP if he takes the nomination. Otherwise the mask's loving off and they're exactly as full of poo poo as I know they are. Admittedly I'll do what's necessary to win but I'm not gonna forget this. That poo poo's a two-way street. They had their god drat chance in 2016, I supported their way, and now we have Trump for it.
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Any loving day now https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1241486/yellowstone-nuclear-bomb-yellowstone-volcano-eruption-russia-news-usgs quote:YELLOWSTONE volcano could be nuked by the Russian military if the eastern European country wanted to cause a major eruption and obliterate the United States, an expert has warned.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:I mean the counterpoint here is that there's a hell of a lot more moderates uneasy about Sanders than there are leftists who would sit out just because Sanders chose... (spins roulette wheel) Mark Warner. And considering how important winning the Senate and keeping the House is, without which Sanders couldn't accomplish anything anyway, it's more than worth spending a do-nothing position on a more establishment-friendly moderate rather than ramping up "maximum leftism" and then losing the Senate and accomplishing very little over the next four years. Why should we be compromising with people who would prefer for Trump to win over Sanders though?
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Any loving day now Lol and what the gently caress is anyone supposed to do with that information?
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Any loving day now lol
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Lol and what the gently caress is anyone supposed to do with that information? No idea. I saw something about some rear end in a top hat saying the supervolcano was going to erupt in the next week in my google news feed (it was something like Int'l Business Times or something) and when I googled it, that one came up too. It's common sense that you can't predict a volcanic eruption, so this makes just as much logical sense in terms of a threat to humanity.
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Fister Roboto posted:Why should we be compromising with people who would prefer for Trump to win over Sanders though? Because that's elections and politics work? You finagle and bargain and gladhand to get the result you want and the people you need on your side. Because the online left is, in fact, a fairly small demographic and your ticket should appeal to as many people as possible (Which is why, historically, it's been used to shore up regional or demographic weaknesses). Pissing people off and going your own way is not a viable strategy, and Sanders himself is smarter than that.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Lol and what the gently caress is anyone supposed to do with that information? Well I am feeling a little more nervous about the application I put in there
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Any loving day now I'm sure that'll have no worldwide repercussions
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Fister Roboto posted:Why should we be compromising with people who would prefer for Trump to win over Sanders though? Exactly. I would rather have 4 years of Sanders using the bully pulpit to hammer home how much better things could be in the US with good policy (and get absolutely nothing done if Congress is uncooperative) than 4 years of middling bullshit from a closeted Republican. There's a chance for a good number of young progressives to unseat moderate Democrats and Republicans as demographics change over that time. To Ace's point re: compromise, the Republican party has acted in such bad faith for almost a decade, I'm seriously wondering where you could begin to build up that trust again. Show me where the compromise is happening regarding justice appointments right now? It started with Garland getting ratfucked and went downhill from there. Are both parties supposed to magically get seats at the table again if the Senate flips blue? egyptian rat race fucked around with this message at 02:16 on Feb 14, 2020 |
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egyptian rat race posted:Exactly. I would rather have 4 years of Sanders using the bully pulpit to hammer home how much better things could be in the US with good policy (and get absolutely nothing done if Congress is uncooperative) than 4 years of middling bullshit from a closeted Republican. There's a chance for a good number of young progressives to unseat moderate Democrats and Republicans as demographics change over that time. Or, you know, you lose because people get disillusioned with the lack of progress, lose faith that anything will ever be better, and then don't show up to the next election. At some point you need to compromise, because you'll never have 100% of the people on your side (or even 51%) on every issue, no matter how right you are. And you can absolutely compromise without sacrificing your values, but getting into piss fights with your own party and Congress is how you end up with things like Reagan crushing Carter and losing out on the best chance we've had for UHC... ever. And before anyone mentions the Republicans: They can only get away with seemingly not compromising because it is far easier to destroy than it is to build, and they have an inbuilt electoral advantage so they can govern with a minority. Not to mention the fact that not compromising even among themselves completely torpedoed their attempts to govern during the 2017-18 Congress, to the point that the only thing they could pass was tax cuts. Politics simply doesn't work as a zero sum game, and getting your hopes up that it will is only asking for defeat and disappointment. edit: And poo poo, I'm not even talking about compromising with Republicans, I'm talking about compromise within the democratic party. OBVIOUSLY the Republicans are a lost cause, which is why I'm not voting for Joe loving Biden. double edit: Sorry for being so argumentative about this, my degree is in history and political science so I basically spent four years studying how people lose elections Acebuckeye13 fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Feb 14, 2020 |
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https://www.cleveland19.com/2020/02/13/cleveland-drug-dealer-who-killed-billionaires-son-with-laced-cocaine-gets-years-prison/quote:CLEVELAND, Ohio (WOIO) - The Cleveland drug dealer convicted of killing a Greek billionaire’s son in 2018 with spiked cocaine was sentenced to 15 years in prison on Wednesday in federal court. 15 years for doing the lords' work. What a shame.
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mlmp08 posted:Frum sucks andnOIF was bad, but boiling down Nazi behavior to “aggressive wars” is absolute fuckin’ dogshit. The phrase "waging an aggressive war" or something similar was one of the legal phrases used to charge Nazis during the Nuremberg Trials, so it's not just a random phrase. Is Glennnnn consciously using that phrase for its historical connotations? I have no clue and don't particularly feel like giving him the benefit of the doubt.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Lol and what the gently caress is anyone supposed to do with that information? If only Irwin Allen hadn't died decades ago, he'd know what to do.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:The Demon Core/Comrade Dyatlov 2020
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Doesn't say which dating app it was, but I think we all know already. https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1227973238568808448
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Acebuckeye13 posted:constitutionally ineligible. "John Brown's body" was right there
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Acebuckeye13 posted:constitutionally ineligible. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Wolff  f/e: or John Brown too
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aw there's a "his" so no klobacher joke, i blame the burning trash i inhaled for america let's not rush to judgement, remember bloomy boy can't be bought due to owning everyone already
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I'd never heard of this guy! Man he seems like a rad dude.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:I’m still baffled trumps twitter has never been hacked, especially as a state actor could cause considerable damage by announcing he was shuttering the stock market or cancelling an election. Wonder if Twitter has a full time team just monitoring log in attempts. A contentious result on the night of Nov. 3rd, though, where Trump is already losing his poo poo and tweeting inane babble to his audience of loons? All the FSB or whoever needs to do is sprinkle in a few explicit calls for targeted political violence and poo poo could start to hit the fan before anyone has the chance to realize and to try to rein things in. I don't think it's likely to happen by any means, but we're in hellworld and it's important to at least recognize the tragic potential of it. Hell, it's not impossible that Trump just does that poo poo all on his own when he's losing. Tweet unrelated: https://twitter.com/DrRobThompson/status/1226164108590014468
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 This is a man who doesn't understand Almost ended up being redundant here. Cugel the Clever posted:Tweet unrelated: I prefer "the American Sengoku Period" myself.
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I just want a vp pick for Bernie whos very name terrifies the gop into begging their members to do everything they can to protect Bernie. Maybe something like a "Chief Returning Our Stolen Land".
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Acebuckeye13 posted:I'd never heard of this guy! Man he seems like a rad dude. Yeah, there were a lot of wild dudes in the SCW. Some amazing stories in there. Have a wiki-list.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_A._Carter_Jr. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delmer_Berg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Fasanella https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paddy_O%27Daire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Ryan_(Irish_republican)
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I will take the day off work and throw a party when Kissinger dies.
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Hell, how about the week. You earned it
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people who vote for this clown got a lot of thinking to do https://twitter.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1228070988425945090?s=19
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Eej posted:people who vote for this clown got a lot of thinking to do Lmao the top response is some tech bro saying his work gave him a free plan with no premiums so he agrees
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