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Count Roland posted:And how, exactly, will this friendly/puppet state be achieved in your mind? I don't think they're going to get it, they don't think they're going to get it, but it's their best case outcome in the region.
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Sinteres posted:The regime is assaulting the area between Aleppo and Nubl, south of the Kurdish territory near Tal Rifaat, and it seems as though they both used Kurdish territory to move through and some Kurdish forces seem to be participating in the attack, though the extent of that is unclear. Not a war. Just 2 way live fire movement drills.
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T&P reporting an iranian small class ship was captured with shoulder fire missiled onboard. https://taskandpurpose.com/navy-sei...r8xyFndzYwCJJ8Q
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whoops. going to be hard for iran to pretend these were delivered by a bunch of ordinary every day private gun smugglers not that there's really any reason for them to care that the world knows they are arming the Houthi with surface to air missiles anymore. What's America gonna do about it, withdraw from the nuclear deal?
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Xerxes17 posted:Those look more like Konkurs tubes to me. wow. looks like we've got a regular sherlock holmes here folks
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Squalid posted:wow. looks like we've got a regular sherlock holmes here folks
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Someone shot down another regime helicopter in Idlib today.
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Squalid posted:whoops. going to be hard for iran to pretend these were delivered by a bunch of ordinary every day private gun smugglers Anyone have an image of the boat these were found on? It's described as a dhow, which is traditionally a sailing vessel. I assume it's just a small (motorized) cargo vessel but I'd like to actually see the thing.
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Count Roland posted:Anyone have an image of the boat these were found on? It's described as a dhow, which is traditionally a sailing vessel. I assume it's just a small (motorized) cargo vessel but I'd like to actually see the thing. quote:
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Cable Guy posted:There's a pic in the article... Well thanks for pointing out the obvious to me, I guess I should click links.
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Flayer posted:What's with the snarky attitude? it's a pet peeve of mine when someone presumes to offer an opinion about an article they obviously didn't read. Anyone who can do that much doesn't need to be a great detective to have seen that most of the weapons depicted are Dehlavieh anti-tank missiles missiles, based on the Russian Kornet. Unless you'd like to argue otherwise?
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My apologies for offering an opinion on a picture that you posted. 
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Squalid posted:it's a pet peeve of mine when someone presumes to offer an opinion about an article they obviously didn't read. Anyone who can do that much doesn't need to be a great detective to have seen that most of the weapons depicted are Dehlavieh anti-tank missiles missiles, based on the Russian Kornet. Unless you'd like to argue otherwise? Why won't you whine some more
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Xerxes17 posted:My apologies for offering an opinion on a picture that you posted. thank you, apology accepted.
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https://twitter.com/john_hudson/status/1228352589433057280?s=21 Mission accomplished.
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Darth Walrus posted:https://twitter.com/john_hudson/status/1228352589433057280?s=21 If doing a lot of heavy lifting. When are US officials gonna realize the Taliban seeks ceasefires in the winter when weather in the mountains makes troop movements impossible anyway and then promptly resume in the spring.
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"Reduction of violence" So they won't kill as many people in the future?
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Sinteres posted:Someone shot down another regime helicopter in Idlib today. Quickest way to drain the coffers. Charlie wilsons war was fougjt this way. Without the shield of air superiority he regime is finished in terms of power projection.
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Sinteres posted:US commander tells the Syrian officer "we are here to bring peace just like the Russians" , Syrian officer replied " Wherever US goes it brings death& destruction, u are not welcomed here" Bringing peace by way of death and destruction is exactly how the Russians did it in Syria, both officers are correct.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Quickest way to drain the coffers. Charlie wilsons war was fougjt this way. Without the shield of air superiority he regime is finished in terms of power projection. Can't wait for the Kurds to be similarly armed. Still, the rebels haven't found a way to shoot down Russian planes yet, so I think the bigger stopping factor for the regime is Turkey's direct intervention rather than a few MANPADS. Randarkman posted:Bringing peace by way of death and destruction is exactly how the Russians did it in Syria, both officers are correct. Accurate
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Sinteres posted:Can't wait for the Kurds to be similarly armed. Still, the rebels haven't found a way to shoot down Russian planes yet, so I think the bigger stopping factor for the regime is Turkey's direct intervention rather than a few MANPADS.
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Sinteres posted:Can't wait for the Kurds to be similarly armed. Still, the rebels haven't found a way to shoot down Russian planes yet, so I think the bigger stopping factor for the regime is Turkey's direct intervention rather than a few MANPADS. Turkey benefits greatly from assad losing all his air assets. If and when Russia leaves then the cas and air superiority falls off. Then turkey rules the skies.  Forget the druze region, and lebanon. Wrtr looking ay the alawite state and tjr region north of it. Russia and turkey split the coast. Landlock the 2 new states, russia and tirkey run free ports or some similar concept and everyones happy with the mediterranean rebalance WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Feb 14, 2020 |
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Turkey benefits greatly from assad losing all his air assets. If and when Russia leaves then the cas and air superiority falls off. Then turkey rules the skies. That's about as realistic a roadmap for the future as the Constantinople Agreement from 1915, in which France and Britain promised Constantinople to Russia if they won the war. I don't know if you're trolling or what, but this fixation you have with pretending Russia's going to give up years of gains and cede most of Syria to Turkey and the rebels is nuts.
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Good news, Turkish court have acquitted Erdogan of the terrorist crime of being too sympathetic towards the Kurds. https://www.france24.com/en/2020021...rd-ozgur-gundem Yeah, it's Asli Erdogan, a novelist, and she's not related to her more famous namesake.
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Sinteres posted:That's about as realistic a roadmap for the future as the Constantinople Agreement from 1915, in which France and Britain promised Constantinople to Russia if they won the war. I don't know if you're trolling or what, but this fixation you have with pretending Russia's going to give up years of gains and cede most of Syria to Turkey and the rebels is nuts. Years of gains of what exactly? What has russia gained in syria other than a pile of dead corpses and destroyed buildings? The country is loving crippled without major foreign investment and Russia isnt going to chain their evonomy to assads. When Russia intervened latakia and tartus were under threat. That was one of the first areas to experience a buildup of defense. russian assets. We are at the point were russia has secured their interests long ago. Aleppo is a hole in the ground.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Years of gains of what exactly? What has russia gained in syria other than a pile of dead corpses and destroyed buildings? The country is loving crippled without major foreign investment and Russia isnt going to chain their evonomy to assads. When Russia intervened latakia and tartus were under threat. That was one of the first areas to experience a buildup of defense. russian assets. You say that, and yet Russia continues to shield the regime from Turkish reprisals while actively participating in bombing the gently caress out of civilians in Idlib. You have this set idea in your head of the way things will play out, and actively ignore all evidence past and present saying that no, Turkey isn't about to conquer Aleppo, and their proxies are in fact still actively losing territory in the area as they have been for years. https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2020/02/turkey-rhetoric-calms-idlib-cease-fire.html On the same day, national security adviser Robert O’Brien also took Turkey to task for “failing to help the situation,” pouring cold water on any illusions that Washington might ride to its rescue. When queried about the violence in Idlib that has sent hundreds of thousands of terrorized civilians fleeing toward the Turkish border, O'Brien retorted, “What are we supposed to do to stop that? We're supposed to parachute in as a global policeman and hold up a stop sign and say stop this, Turkey? Stop this, Russia? Stop this, Iran? Stop this, Syria?” Ankara might be forgiven for harboring such hopes. On Feb. 11, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo tweeted he had sent Syria envoy Jim Jeffrey to Ankara “to coordinate steps to respond to this destabilizing attack” and pledged “to stand by our NATO ally Turkey.” Well-informed sources told Al-Monitor on condition of anonymity a buoyant Jeffrey had encouraged his Turkish interlocutors to “go all in” on Idlib and that the United States and NATO would have its back. They declined to elaborate. Jeffrey has been campaigning — unsuccessfully so far — to decouple Ankara from Moscow and sees Idlib as a big chance, the sources said. But Jeffrey was “alone” in signaling support for Turkey in Idlib, one of them said. Yesterday, Pentagon press secretary Alyssa Farah debunked a Turkish media report that a deal had been struck during Jeffrey’s visit for the United States and NATO to take more concrete steps on Idlib. “No such agreement was made,” Farah said.
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I do not believe Turkey will go all out war on Russua and invade ALeppo. I see these things as bargaining chips in a greater middle east reshaping that is actively occuring. Look at the transcript of the nur sultan meeting. Turkey Iran and Russia were present. No syrian delegation was. This in itself is an acknowledgement that the regime is out the door once an agreement is reached. I believe syria will be split by agreement, not war.
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Sereri posted:"Reduction of violence" I know, it's a lot to expect from the US military, but we must hope they at least try.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:I do not believe Turkey will go all out war on Russua and invade ALeppo. I see these things as bargaining chips in a greater middle east reshaping that is actively occuring. Those three party meetings have been going on for years, and again, the Syrian government has been the one gobbling up territory that entire time. Recognizing the territorial integrity of Syria was one of Russia's big demands, and Turkey did so in theory, even though they've divided it in practice. They certainly aren't planning some grand partition that gives away huge swathes of territory Russia's been fighting alongside the Syrian government to retake. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Feb 14, 2020 |
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Sinteres posted:Those three party meetings have been going on for years, and again, the Syrian government has been the one gobbling up territory that entire time. Recognizing the territorial integrity of Syria was one of Russia's big demands, and Turkey did so in theory, even though they've divided it in practice. They certainly aren't planning some grand partition that gives away huge swathes of territory Russia's been fighting alongside the Syrian government to retake. How will syria repay the debt to russia? There is no syrian economy at the momebnt If they take on foreign investment, how will they service the loans?
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:I wouldn't be surprised if Trump is livid at Turkey for making him look like a loving idiot so they've drawn up a plan to get Turkey to overextend while promising support that never arrives. Shockingly, Turkey actually has enough agency to make stupid decisions on their own.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:How will syria repay the debt to russia? There is no syrian economy at the momebnt Russia's never going to get out of it what they're putting into it, but by your reasoning they should have left years ago, whereas they've continued to stay involved. It's as much about prestige as anything for Putin. Again, you have this idea in your head of what's rational for Russia to do, and even though Putin's acting in ways that are clearly contrary to what you think is reasonable, he's still doing it, and you're not updating your model of outcomes to reflect that. Just to beat a dead horse for a second, when exactly is the US going to get back what it spent on Iraq or Afghanistan? Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Feb 15, 2020 |
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Sinteres posted:Russia's never going to get out of it what they're putting into it, but by your reasoning they should have left years ago, whereas they've continued to stay involved. It's as much about prestige as anything for Putin. Again, you have this idea in your head of what's rational for Russia to do, and even though Putin's acting in ways that are clearly contrary to what you think is reasonable, he's still doing it, and you're not updating your model of outcomes to reflect that. Yes but we are a 20trillion economy russia is a 2 trillion. Our loss in afghanistan is a drop in the bucket. I would also go as far as to say russia has done things very econimically and cheaply. The question you ask is the same one im trying to wrap my head around. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalization_of_Syria
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Acute Grill posted:Shockingly, Turkey actually has enough agency to make stupid decisions on their own. We also know they're getting completely contradictory messaging from the US about what support they can expect. The US isn't some bumbling set of fuckwits, so there's obviously a motive behind why they'd do so.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:The US isn't some bumbling set of fuckwits, so there's obviously a motive behind why they'd do so. lmao what
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